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In the life of a recruiter
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SeoulShakin



Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The job in question was a public school position was it not? As far as I know, all public schools require the criminal record check, as they should.
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cbclark4 wrote:
I thought the criminal check was required for the E-2 visa?

I got mine done, no problem what so ever.


Ahh...It's not a chest x-ray, you mean you were surprised by the results? Shocked
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Satori



Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tfunk wrote:
Satori,
What's wrong with having personal beliefs? I don't think it's an issue of forcing anybody.

You are forcing the belief on others if you require the check when the check is not required by the job.
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BuHaoChi



Joined: 30 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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freshking



Joined: 07 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Satori wrote:
tfunk wrote:
Satori,
What's wrong with having personal beliefs? I don't think it's an issue of forcing anybody.

You are forcing the belief on others if you require the check when the check is not required by the job.


I think that the recruiter has the right to ask for a criminal check if he/she wants to as a businessperson, whether or not it is required by the job. The recruiter probably doesn't know these teachers personally, and needs to protect the recruiting business' reputation.
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fiveeagles



Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver

PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

freshking wrote:
Satori wrote:
tfunk wrote:
Satori,
What's wrong with having personal beliefs? I don't think it's an issue of forcing anybody.

You are forcing the belief on others if you require the check when the check is not required by the job.


I think that the recruiter has the right to ask for a criminal check if he/she wants to as a businessperson, whether or not it is required by the job. The recruiter probably doesn't know these teachers personally, and needs to protect the recruiting business' reputation.


Exactly. What if I hire some pedophile and they go sideways on the job. Then I am going to be held responsible for recommending this teacher, especially if I haven't done criminal checks or reference checks.
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thepeel



Joined: 08 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A criminal record check should be a condition not of employment but of a working visa.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm all in favor of doing criminal background checks for teaching jobs. I think half the people who object to them don't even know why they are objecting. It's like a knee-jerk reaction. They haven't thought it through.

It's like the people who whine about CCTV camera's. If you're not a criminal then these things don't threaten you. Indeed, they may even protect you one day if you're mugged or in a debated traffic accident.

In fact, being able to show a clean record should be something that people are proud to put in their resume.

As far as teaching in Korea goes, if I was in charge, mandatory criminal checks and some kind of certificate relating to TESL/TEFL would be required.

I'm getting tired of the Korean government allowing schools to fly bums into Korea for free, setting them up in apartments, giving them a job with children, not giving any job training.....etc..........then the Korean media finds these bums and gives all ESL teachers a bad name.

(BTW, I really believe that at least 90% of foreigners teaching English in Korea are well-meaning people trying to do their best. Qualified or not).

It has always been too easy to get a teaching job in Korea. Why can't even degree's be checked?

I'd like to see much tougher vetting of teachers and qualifications which show some kind of commitment to teaching English.

Maybe, just maybe, one day, ESL teachers will get some respect in Korea.
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flying_chicken



Joined: 23 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agreed that criminal check should be enforce. But is it manadtory for a recruiter to ask for it? I'd probably do as told if it was required by schools itself (public school).

OP why would I go through the trouble all the trouble just to get this to a recruiter when the job I applied for didn't guaranteed the position yet. Where I'm from the process is a pain, you'd have to get a verification from the immigration or consulate if you're oversea then send it then it'd take at least another 2-3 weeks and this might be true for most other western countries as well.

Good luck on recruiting teachers with that requirement. Never have I heard of any recruiters responsible for anything when things went wrong between the school and the employers. From anything I learnt here, recruiters are bunch of blood suckers.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had to run a criminalcheck to work with children in Canada (and the Police) - both times I was fine in doing it.


I would love it if they mandated it for E2s here.
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cbclark4



Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan

PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't mind having a criminal background check so long as nothing shows up.

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Boodleheimer



Joined: 10 Mar 2006
Location: working undercover for the Man

PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

flying_chicken wrote:
OP why would I go through the trouble all the trouble just to get this to a recruiter when the job I applied for didn't guaranteed the position yet.


oo! good point! i was interested in some positions through different recruiters, but most of them told me to immediately send in sealed transcripts -- like i'm going to DHL transcripts to each one of them on the possibility i'll be offered the job!
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Fresh Prince



Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: The glorious nation of Korea

PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to clarify, most companies back home neither make the potential employee pay for the criminal background test nor do they make the employee responsible for managing the task of ordering it and sending it to the parties that want to look at it. Instead, in the job advertisement states that employment is on the condition that a criminal background check is passed. If the company wants to hire someone, they simply provide a form for the potential employee to sign. The form gives the company the authority to order and pay for the background check.

The issue that I think a lot of people would have with the background checks is that there is no regulation to protect foreigners from misuse of the information. A background check as part of the visa process or for a public school is one thing as it is part of a government body and has checks and balances to make sure the information is safeguarded however there are no protections for foreigners from predatory hokwons or recruiters that want to misuse this highly personal information.
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Fresh Prince



Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: The glorious nation of Korea

PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would love it if they mandated it for E2s here.


What about the F series visas? Shouldn't they be checked if they are going to be teaching children?
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fresh Prince wrote:
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I would love it if they mandated it for E2s here.


What about the F series visas? Shouldn't they be checked if they are going to be teaching children?


Absolutely. I'm fine with all criminal checks for people working with children. FYI, F series visa still have to be approved by the Ed. Ministry... maybe it's there that the rule should be enforced.
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