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cwemory
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Location: Gunpo, Korea
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Gamecock
Joined: 26 Nov 2003
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| The guy who invented basketball was Canadian. Why is that so hard for some people (i.e. some Americans) to acknowledge? |
Who the heck cares? Do people really fight about these things and then get offended if the truth is not "acknowledged?" I'm not against feeling a sense of pride for your country...but this has to be nationalism at its stupidest.
Well, actually living here in Korea I can probably come up with a few stupider examples...but not many. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| congee wrote: |
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| It's no more Canadian than Titanic was a Canadian move. Titanic was directed by a Canadian living in America using American money for an American studio for a largely American audience. Basketball was invented by a Canadian in the USA working in the USA and designed for American inner city youth. |
So if you're living in a foreign country then you automatically become a national of that country? I guess that makes you a Korean.
The guy who invented basketball was Canadian. Why is that so hard for some people (i.e. some Americans) to acknowledge? |
It depends on your definition of "Canadian". If you mean it is an invention by a Canadian. Great. If you mean it is an example of a nation's ability to innovate, then I would suggest we have to look at the supporting infrastructure. Where did the sport originate? Who were the first adopters? America. |
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huffdaddy
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:01 am Post subject: |
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Basketball, netball, dodgeball, volleyball, and lacrosse are the only ball games which have been identified as being invented by North Americans |
Even if you cede baseball to the English (which isn't really the case), what about kickball? Or softball? |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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I was born in Springfield, Mass., and I loved basketball, but I sucked at it. Even when I visited the Naismith Memorial Hall of Fame last year I could hardly drill an "outside J"...
The Wikipedia aricle notes that Naismith has been honored extensively in his native country of Canada, and he obviously is duly honored in the U.S. by having his name affixed to the Hall of Fame. Visitors to the Hall can also clearly read his bio and understand that he was Canadian.
This part of his biography relating to his coaching legacy is pretty interesting:
...Naismith moved to the University of Kansas, in 1898, following his studies in Denver, becoming a professor and the school's first basketball coach. University of Kansas went on to develop one of the nation's most storied college basketball programs.
Naismith is the only Kansas coach to have a losing record (55-60) during his tenure at the school. Nevertheless, Naismith has one of the greatest coaching legacies in basketball history. Naismith coached Forrest "Phog" Allen, his eventual successor at Kansas, who went on to become one of the winningest coaches in U.S. college basketball history. The actual playing surface of Allen Fieldhouse in Lawrence, Kansas is named the James Naismith Court. Phog Allen was the college basketball coach of Dean Smith and Adolph Rupp, who are two of the winningest men's college basketball coaches, and won a combined total of six NCAA championships. Adolph Rupp was the college basketball coach of Pat Riley who is one of the winningest coaches in NBA history and has coached five teams to the NBA championship. Dean Smith went on to be the college basketball coach of hall of fame coach Larry Brown (who also coached at the University of Kansas), current North Carolina coach Roy Williams (who also coached for 15 seasons at the University of Kansas previous to that), and basketball great Michael Jordan. In the late 1930s Naismith played a role in the formation of the National Association of Intercollegiate Basketball, which later became the National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics.
In August 1936, while attending the Berlin Olympics, he was named honorary President of the International Basketball Federation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Naismith |
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congee
Joined: 08 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 5:19 am Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| congee wrote: |
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| It's no more Canadian than Titanic was a Canadian move. Titanic was directed by a Canadian living in America using American money for an American studio for a largely American audience. Basketball was invented by a Canadian in the USA working in the USA and designed for American inner city youth. |
So if you're living in a foreign country then you automatically become a national of that country? I guess that makes you a Korean.
The guy who invented basketball was Canadian. Why is that so hard for some people (i.e. some Americans) to acknowledge? |
It depends on your definition of "Canadian". If you mean it is an invention by a Canadian. Great. If you mean it is an example of a nation's ability to innovate, then I would suggest we have to look at the supporting infrastructure. Where did the sport originate? Who were the first adopters? America. |
Again, the guy who invented basketball was Canadian. Why is that so hard for some people (i.e. some Americans) to acknowledge? |
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Sine qua non
Joined: 18 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 5:54 am Post subject: |
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| congee wrote: |
| Again, the guy who invented basketball was Canadian. Why is that so hard for some people (i.e. some Americans) to acknowledge? |
The guy who invented basketball was a Canadian.
How's that?
But I wonder if, instead of a genuine desire for acknowledgement, you just have some unrelated angst, anger or other contempt within you that you are only expressing through this issue.
Deep down, you just really wish Alex Trebek would finally call it quits in the U. S. and return to "where he really belongs," don't you? You can admit it here! |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:00 am Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| congee wrote: |
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| It's no more Canadian than Titanic was a Canadian move. Titanic was directed by a Canadian living in America using American money for an American studio for a largely American audience. Basketball was invented by a Canadian in the USA working in the USA and designed for American inner city youth. |
So if you're living in a foreign country then you automatically become a national of that country? I guess that makes you a Korean.
The guy who invented basketball was Canadian. Why is that so hard for some people (i.e. some Americans) to acknowledge? |
It depends on your definition of "Canadian". If you mean it is an invention by a Canadian. Great. If you mean it is an example of a nation's ability to innovate, then I would suggest we have to look at the supporting infrastructure. Where did the sport originate? Who were the first adopters? America. |
So if the next Mp4 is invented by a Japanese guy, living in China but mostly used by Americans... where do we go from there? |
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gmat
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Since when does an invention by a single man belong to an entire country?
I find a lot of similarities between Canadians and Koreans in terms of their insecure nationalism/patriotism. Those Heritage Moments that we had forced down our throat by our government broadcaster are more ridiculous than anything I have seen on Korean TV.
BTW: Naismith was born before Canada existed and died an American citizen. But who the *beep* cares, seriously!! |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Again, the guy who invented basketball was Canadian. Why is that so hard for some people (i.e. some Americans) to acknowledge? |
I don't know. Ask them. As a a Canadian, I don't view basketball as a Canadian sport. A Canadian invention is something invented by a Canadian citizen in Canada using largely Canadian resources and backing. For example, insulin is a Canadian medical breakthrough although Best was born in America. (Does that make insulin an American discovery?) Basketball was invented, certainly, by a Canadian. But that's where it pretty much ends.
The process by which history assigns inventions to nations and individuals is not clear cut and there's room for debate. The airplane, the light, the phone, the printing press, the television all have wiggle room for debate.
But I think blanket claims by some Canadians that "basketball is a Canadian sport" is akin to all the ludicrous claims Koreans make about inventing sushi etc. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| gmat wrote: |
| BTW: Naismith was born before Canada existed and died an American citizen. But who the *beep* cares, seriously!! |
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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
| gmat wrote: |
| BTW: Naismith was born before Canada existed and died an American citizen. But who the *beep* cares, seriously!! |
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So, George Washington being born before USA existed... does that mean he;s not American?  |
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KOREAN_MAN
Joined: 01 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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One can make the same argument by saying,
"A white man created the game of basketball. So why are black men so freaking good at it?" |
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MANDRL
Joined: 13 Oct 2006
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Maybe because Americans are better at it. |
The last 3 MVP's have been non-Americans. A Canadian, Steve Nash, won two of them. Dirk Nowitski, a German, won the other. |
...and not a championship between them. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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What's all this foolish talk about which nationality is better?
Whatever Naismith's nationality was, the invention of basketball was his accomplishment, no one else's.
I hope that every Canadian, American, and everyone else will live his or her life as well as possible.
Never mind how your compatriots are living theirs. |
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