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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
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I'd like to add that variations of the n word such as kigger or wigger are also NOT ok because in the end, you're rhyming it with the n word and pinning the other races with the "negative" character traits associated with the n word.
I believe I mentioned this in another thread that got deleted. |
That's why you spell it with an "a" and not an "er."
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Pak Yu Man
Joined: 02 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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So niggah or nigga is ok, but nigge^ isn't.
Fuk is ok, but fvck isn't. Nice grade 3 mentality.
So changing the spelling magically changes the meaning of the word? That's new to me. So if I say "you dum-as cvnt biatch" it's ok cause it's spelled funny? Sweet:)
Edit: That was not a personal attack. Just a statement. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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I lived in the Ranier Beach area of Seattle for 4 months. I'ts Seattle African American district. I'm not African American.
while i was walking, African American men would through half empty bottles of Olde English 800 at me from passing cars and say "Get out the ghetto *igger!"
The N word is ok to use as a racist slur as long as its used against White people. Its called slavery reparations. Its OK for Black people to say the N-word becuase they own it and there are no restrictions on use. |
I've been called a n*gger several times in my life, both as an insult and as just a term some of my black friends would say. ("You a crazy n*gger Q, you know that? hahahaha!!" "You my n*gga for real." etc.)
It's sort of funny either way it's used, but perhaps a little endearing as well. I'd much rather see a movement to alter the meaning of the word rather than attempt to eradicate it from our collective vocabulary. The latter is a near impossible feat, whereas the former is quite doable. Just look at what the Republicans did with the L-word. It crushed John Kerry.
Also, what's the deal with 'colored' being offensive/goofy but 'people of color' being an often used term (in academia)? |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| Today the word is often spelled nigga or niggah, in imitation of the manner in which some pronounce it. (Less-common variants are nigguh or even nikuh.) Other variations, designed to avoid the term itself, include nookah, nukka, nagger and the much older "jigger." |
Woah, much older? Here I was thinking Jigga made it up. wtf?
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bejarano-korea
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:52 am Post subject: |
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As a person who has been referred to as a N***** I would like to say that it is not a word I would ever use to describe anyone or anything lest myself.
It is offensive in all its connotations. It wants burying, however when
people who oppose their free speech being limited against using racist abuse  and point the finger at the black community 'Hey! the black community uses the word N***** why can't I?'
I find the term black community a racist term and quite offensive.
To think that ALL black people in the said community should adopt ideas, thoughts and discourse based on 50 cent? Eddie Murphy? Al Sharpton?
Oh please! 
Is is not feasible that the vast majority of black people find the word 'N*****' extremely offensive and are as offended that some (usually) white person tries to justify the use of the word N*****
as a sanction of free speech and justify the use because some halfwit rapper uses the word?
Black people, like white people think dfferently on lots of issues regarding los of things. Whos the leader of the white community of do white people not count because they have the mental ability
of free thought as individuals?
We have got to the position that not all black people look the same. They don't all think the same either. |
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bejarano-korea
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| endo wrote: |
Plus I'm from a part of Canada with not a lot of black people. And the people I heard it used most growing up were my Filipino and Chinese friends. But it was always used in terms of friendship.
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Did you friends ever use the word c****, g*** etc in reference to themselves? There are many racist terms for people of oriental persuasion. If we were taking it down the line of how some of the
more thick and immature members of the black community
use the N***** word. Wouldn't it have not been more correct for your
friends to have used the word g*** in reference to themselves?
And how would they have felt if they had been called that by random strangers of a different race? |
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Qinella
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:04 am Post subject: |
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| bejarano-korea wrote: |
It is offensive in all its connotations. |
To me it's not. I wrote above about how the term has been used towards me in a jovial way. In those cases, no one around seemed to be offended at all.
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I find the term black community a racist term and quite offensive.
To think that ALL black people in the said community should adopt ideas, thoughts and discourse based on 50 cent? Eddie Murphy? Al Sharpton?
Oh please! |
I agree completely. Perhaps you have read Larry Elder before? If not, you'd enjoy his thoughts on the matter. I cringe every time I hear someone refer to Jesse Jackson or whoever as a 'black leader'. Now that's offensive. Words are mere sounds, but ideas are what truly offend, imo, and the idea that black Americans are a homogenous group in need of a leader subtly disempowers them. Being that as it is (ideas trumping words in importance) I strongly dislike petty semantic quibbles. Such things avoid the deeper issues. |
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bejarano-korea
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:17 am Post subject: |
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It is offensive in all its connotations.
To me it's not. I wrote above about how the term has been used towards me in a jovial way. In those cases, no one around seemed to be offended at all. |
Haven't got time to write as much as I would like this Qinella. But this proves my point on the fact that black people will all have different views on the subject and all views will have some degree of gravitas on why certain discourse and lifestyle choies are acceptable/unnacceptable. I'll be back later though!  |
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Qinella
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:20 am Post subject: |
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| bejarano-korea wrote: |
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It is offensive in all its connotations.
To me it's not. I wrote above about how the term has been used towards me in a jovial way. In those cases, no one around seemed to be offended at all. |
Haven't got time to write as much as I would like this Qinella. But this proves my point on the fact that black people will all have different views on the subject and all views will have some degree of gravitas on why certain discourse and lifestyle choies are acceptable/unnacceptable. I'll be back later though! |
When you respond, please explain how this diversity of thought theory of yours jibes with the statement I initially reacted to. I don't understand how it can be offensive in all its connotations unless a person is just extremely sensitive/in need of a reality check. |
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Alyallen
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:41 am Post subject: |
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| Qinella wrote: |
| bejarano-korea wrote: |
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It is offensive in all its connotations.
To me it's not. I wrote above about how the term has been used towards me in a jovial way. In those cases, no one around seemed to be offended at all. |
Haven't got time to write as much as I would like this Qinella. But this proves my point on the fact that black people will all have different views on the subject and all views will have some degree of gravitas on why certain discourse and lifestyle choies are acceptable/unnacceptable. I'll be back later though! |
When you respond, please explain how this diversity of thought theory of yours jibes with the statement I initially reacted to. I don't understand how it can be offensive in all its connotations unless a person is just extremely sensitive/in need of a reality check. |
That's the problem with trying to bury a word. Different connotations for different people. Not offensive to you...offensive to someone else. And that's why I like the English language...There are so many words to choose from...IF one word offends, use another.
And Q, I'm with you with how the "N" word could be used as an endearment and how that obviously works with your group of friends, the wider world may or may not agree and that's why the whole issue of what's offensive will keep on swirling. I mean even innocuous words like Black or Hispanic sets some people's teeth on edge. To each their own... |
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bejarano-korea
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:11 am Post subject: |
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| Qinella wrote: |
| bejarano-korea wrote: |
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It is offensive in all its connotations.
To me it's not. I wrote above about how the term has been used towards me in a jovial way. In those cases, no one around seemed to be offended at all. |
Haven't got time to write as much as I would like this Qinella. But this proves my point on the fact that black people will all have different views on the subject and all views will have some degree of gravitas on why certain discourse and lifestyle choies are acceptable/unnacceptable. I'll be back later though! |
When you respond, please explain how this diversity of thought theory of yours jibes with the statement I initially reacted to. I don't understand how it can be offensive in all its connotations unless a person is just extremely sensitive/in need of a reality check. |
It is of course just my opinion Qinella, that the use of the N word is offensive in all situations. I can only speak for myself when making statments such as that. I can't speak for anyone else of course.
Why is it offensive to me? because I made that choice based on my personl experiences. Being brought up in a 99% white, working class community in the north west of England I have probably been called that word more than most. In my personal experience I did not have peers who I could turn to or who could relate to my suffering, especially as a child. Maybe your upbringing was different and you had friends of all races who could use the word in jest liberally. Also I was brought up in a time with NO rap music Oh yes! thats right, thus the word was used in its original offensive connotation when I was growing up! If rap music had been around as a boy maybe I would view the word differently, but I doubt it.
So if anyone uses the word to me nowadays there had better be more than 10 of them because I'm going to kick their arses allover the pavement. 
As for other black people using the word, I'm not a missionary on what other people should or should not say which is what my point was with the
nauseous use of the term the black community I don't speak for anyone else but me, however based on my personal use of the word N***** I would never ever use it. |
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Qinella
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:35 am Post subject: |
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I feel ya, bk. I thought at first that you were speaking in general terms about it always being offensive.
For the record, I'm not black. I am, as one person reminded me a couple months back by yelling at me from a moving vehicle, a "stank ass cracker". |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| Pak Yu Man wrote: |
So niggah or nigga is ok, but nigge^ isn't.
Fuk is ok, but fvck isn't. Nice grade 3 mentality.
So changing the spelling magically changes the meaning of the word? That's new to me. So if I say "you dum-as cvnt biatch" it's ok cause it's spelled funny? Sweet:)
Edit: That was not a personal attack. Just a statement. |
I was being sarcastic, but it is true. Many people, mostly black, who use the word with "a" say it is different than with "er." The community changed the word and now it belongs to them with an "a" at the end. |
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crusher_of_heads
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:37 am Post subject: |
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| Somebody better tell the hip hop dudes, the gangstas, the crappers. |
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dogshed
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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Oh great. Now you got me thinking about the n-word. Now I'm going to be thinking about it all the time. Then I'll start wondering about my own inner racist. I'll wonder if thinking about the N-word too much will make me a bad person. I'll start repeating it in my head over and over and over. I'll wonder if people can tell that in my mind I'm repeating the N-word over and over. I'll start to fear that I might say it out loud. Eventually, I'll hear it so often in my head that I will start saying it out loud.
"Hi, how are you? Nice to meet you."
N-word. N-word. N-word.
I'll of course loose my job and end up sleeping in the subway repeating the N-word like a mantra. |
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