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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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Didn't Italy withdraw their forces from Iraq?
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Italian police raid mosque, arrests 3 Moroccans
22 Jul 2007, 0552 hrs IST,AP
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ROME: Operating in a nondescript mosque in Perugia, the central hill town known for its Renaissance architecture and idyllic countryside, a small extremist cell allegedly ran what Italian police say was a "terror school" that trained in hand-to-hand combat, bomb making and airplane piloting.
Anti-terrorism police said they arrested three Moroccans - an imam and two of his aides - on Saturday and raided the Ponte Felcino mosque on the outskirts of the Umbrian capital, finding barrels of chemicals hidden in the cellar, and documents including instructions on how to pilot a Boeing 747.
"The investigation has shown that, in the Ponte Felcino mosque, there was a continued training for terrorist activity," anti-terror police head Carlo De Stefano said. "We have discovered and neutralized a real 'terror school,' which was part of a widespread terrorism system made up of small cells that act on their own." |
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Rest_of_World/Italian_police_raid_mosque_arrests_3_Moroccans/articleshow/2224284.cms |
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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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Joo
I admire your tenacity. Hardcore anti-war idiots will Always put the majority of the blame on the US as the evil-doer before they will ever blame Jihad and Islamic ideology...... .
Best of luck to you though... |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:01 am Post subject: |
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To use Joo's brand of logic: The US is in Iraq because Al Qaeda blew something up in Algeria.
Thats the problem with hardcore pro-war types: They'll grasp tenaciously at anything they can rather than admit they were wrong about the invasion. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:23 am Post subject: |
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| What does Al Qaeda fight for is the question. |
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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| As most of the anti-war crowd knows, Al Qaeda is fighting against the imperial powers, to save the Oil, to end neo-colonialism, all in the name of their 'unprecedented' version of that crazy prophet's religion....... |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:28 am Post subject: |
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Al-Qaeda threatens to escalate attacks in North Africa Mon Jul 23, 1:15 PM ET
Al-Qaeda threatened in an Internet statement on Monday to escalate attacks against the "enemies of Allah" in North African countries, warning Muslims to stay away from government sites.
"The Mujahedin (holy warriors)... have many hidden surprises for the enemies of Allah in the countries of the Islamic Maghreb, which will come in an escalating sequence," said the Al-Qaeda Movement in the Islamic Countries of the Maghreb.
"We call upon all our Muslim brothers to stay away from the centres of the infidels and official apostates, as well as security (gatherings) of army and police," it added in the statement posted on a website used by Islamic militant groups.
"The Mujahedin are determined to target their quarters, centres and barracks with all available means of detonation, bombing and demolition," added the statement whose authenticity could not be verified.
The statement also claimed that many attacks on military targets had been cancelled "only due to the presence of Muslims."
The group -- formerly the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat (GSPC) -- last week claimed it had killed or wounded "no less than 25" Algerian troops in three coordinated attacks in Algeria's Kabylie region.
It also claimed responsibility for a deadly suicide bombing this month on an Algerian army barracks near Lakhdaria, 80 kilometres (50 miles) east of the capital, which killed 10 soldiers and injured 35.
Together with bombings in neighbouring Morocco, the attacks in Algeria have revived Western fears of Islamist militants gaining a foothold in North Africa from where they could launch attacks into Europe and beyond.
Copyright � 2007 Agence France Presse. All rights reserved. The information contained in the AFP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of Agence France Presse. |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070723/wl_africa_afp/algeriamoroccoqaeda&printer=1;_ylt=Au8lDE2bnTfImU5suql2mbiZsdEF |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:56 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| What does Al Qaeda fight for is the question. |
Joo, it doesn't matter.
The best way to deal with this is to back away, keep muslims out (and kick out most of the ones already here) and react with horrific violence, from the air, in the event that one of them commits terrorism.
The idea that muslims will all become Lutherans when their nations become "democracies" is as naive as bigbirds idea that the palis will play nice if only the Jews would back off to 1967.
Leave them alone, and if they *beep* with us, kill all people involved. That is the only way. |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| What does Al Qaeda fight for is the question. |
"They" fight to re-establish the Caliphate, a prospect generally regarded as a joke in terms of ever being possible. Also, if you're some local Algerian group and you want press, you're gonigg to say you're "Al-Qaeda" just to get some streeet cred. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:00 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| What does Al Qaeda fight for is the question. |
"They" fight to re-establish the Caliphate, a prospect generally regarded as a joke in terms of ever being possible. Also, if you're some local Algerian group and you want press, you're gonigg to say you're "Al-Qaeda" just to get some streeet cred. |
While I don't think AQ is going to be able to establish the Caliphate anytime soon , it is pretty clear they will keep fighting until they get it or until they and their supporters are wiped out.
Furthermore it is not viewed as a joke in much of the world.
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Hizb ut-Tahrir says that Muslims should abolish national boundaries within the Islamic world and return to a single Islamic state, known as "the Caliphate," that would stretch from Indonesia to Morocco and contain more than 1.5 billion people.
It's a simple and seductive idea that analysts believe may someday allow the group to rival existing Islamic movements, topple the rulers of Middle Eastern nations, and undermine those seeking to reconcile democracy and Islam and build bridges between East and West.
"A few years ago people laughed at them," says Zeyno Baran, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and the leading expert on Hizb ut-Tahrir. "But now that [Osama] bin Laden, [Abu Musab al-] Zarqawi, and other Islamic groups are saying they want to recreate the Caliphate, people are taking them seriously."
Even more moderate Muslim groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt pay lip-service to the ideal of reestablishing the Caliphate, leaving less ideological space for Muslims who want to move toward Western models of democracy.
"The Caliphate is a rallying point between the radicals and the more moderate Islamists," says Stephen Ulph, a senior fellow at the Jamestown Foundation. "The idea of a government based on the Caliphate has a historical pedigree and Islamic legitimacy that Western systems of government by their very nature do not have." |
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0510/p01s04-wome.html
Al Qaeda doesn't believe in compromise. and it is stupid to think that if the US does things that AQ demands that AQ won't come up with a new list of demands the next day.
Also notice fact is that the Al Qaeda has announced that the group has joined AQ |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:52 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Furthermore it is not viewed as a joke in much of the world.
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A few quotes by Islamic scholars referring to the views of a dead man (Zarqawi) and a hermit (Bin Laden) does not constitute much of the world.
The only group mentioned by name (The MB) is said to only "pay lip service" to its ideals.
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Al Qaeda doesn't believe in compromise. and it is stupid to think that if the US does things that AQ demands that AQ won't come up with a new list of demands the next day.
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Agreed. However, that doesn't mean we shouldn't do things just b/c AQ demands it. If AQ demanded that the US continue to elect Senators every six years, would that mean that we shouldn't, just to spite them? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 7:48 am Post subject: |
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A few quotes by Islamic scholars referring to the views of a dead man (Zarqawi) and a hermit (Bin Laden) does not constitute much of the world.
The only group mentioned by name (The MB) is said to only "pay lip service" to its ideals. |
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Reunified Islam: Unlikely but Not Entirely Radical
Restoration of Caliphate, Attacked by Bush, Resonates With Mainstream Muslims
By Karl Vick
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, January 14, 2006; Page A01
ISTANBUL -- The plan was to fly a hijacked plane into a national landmark on live television. The year was 1998, the country was Turkey, and the rented plane ended up grounded by weather. Court records show the Islamic extremist who planned to commandeer the cockpit did not actually know how to fly.
But if the audacious scheme prefigured Sept. 11, 2001, it also highlighted a cause that, seven years later, President Bush has used to define the war against terrorism. What the ill-prepared Turkish plotters told investigators they aimed to do was strike a dramatic blow toward reviving Islam's caliphate, the institution that had nominally governed the world's Muslims for nearly all of the almost 1,400 years since the death of the prophet Muhammad.
Metin Kaplan, shown before a courthouse in Istanbul in 1994, was sentenced for planning to crash an airplane into the tomb of Turkey's secular founder. (By Murad Sezer -- Associated Press)
The goal of reuniting Muslims under a single flag stands at the heart of the radical Islamic ideology Bush has warned of repeatedly in recent major speeches on terrorism. In language evoking the Cold War, Bush has cast the conflict in Iraq as the pivotal battleground in a larger contest between advocates of freedom and those who seek to establish "a totalitarian Islamic empire reaching from Spain to Indonesia."
The enthusiasm of the extremists for that vision is not disputed. However unlikely its realization, the ambition may help explain terrorist acts that often appear beyond understanding. When Osama bin Laden called the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon "a very small thing compared to this humiliation and contempt for more than 80 years," the reference was to the aftermath of World War I, when the last caliphate was suspended as European powers divided up the Middle East. Al Qaeda named its Internet newscast, which debuted in September, "The Voice of the Caliphate."
Yet the caliphate is also esteemed by many ordinary Muslims. For most, its revival is not an urgent concern. Public opinion polls show immediate issues such as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and discrimination rank as more pressing. But Muslims regard themselves as members of the umma , or community of believers, that forms the heart of Islam. And as earthly head of that community, the caliph is cherished both as memory and ideal, interviews indicate. |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/13/AR2006011301816.html
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| Agreed. However, that doesn't mean we shouldn't do things just b/c AQ demands it. If AQ demanded that the US continue to elect Senators every six years, would that mean that we shouldn't, just to spite them? |
Of course. but it is important that everyone knows what the object of Al Qaida and jihad international is.
AQ. probably does not think they can get the caliphate tomorrow - on the other hand they have a very long war in mind. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 6:32 am Post subject: |
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: AQ Maghreb Leader Killed
August 02, 2007 14 29 GMT
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| Algerian forces on July 30 killed Rachid Sid Ali, military adviser for the al Qaeda Organization for the Countries of the Arab Maghreb, Reuters reported Aug. 2, citing Algerian state-run newspaper El Moudjahid. Sid Ali was killed near the village of Iboudranene in the mountainous Kabylie region. He reportedly oversaw the April 11 triple suicide bombing of two police stations and a government building, and the July 11 bombing of a military barracks. Sid Ali reportedly supervised the acquisition of car bombs and ordered attacks to be filmed. |
Well it looks like the govenments of mideast nations can get these guys when they choose to go after them. |
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