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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| I'm dead surprised it was the Swiss first, |
I'm curious as to why you find that surprising? The Swiss are well known for having a certain disdain for foreigners. Actually they are notorious for it. They even look down their noses at white Northern Europeans. |
I figured it would be the French first, actually. I've had some remarkably bad experiences with the French. Or the Portuguese. Or the Greeks, who are surpassed in their cultural arrogance only by the Italians. But the Swiss? I suppose I'll have to spend more time there getting to know the place. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
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| I'm dead surprised it was the Swiss first, |
I'm curious as to why you find that surprising? The Swiss are well known for having a certain disdain for foreigners. Actually they are notorious for it. They even look down their noses at white Northern Europeans. |
I figured it would be the French first, actually. I've had some remarkably bad experiences with the French. Or the Portuguese. Or the Greeks, who are surpassed in their cultural arrogance only by the Italians. But the Swiss? I suppose I'll have to spend more time there getting to know the place. |
The Swiss, unfortunately, have a reputation for such arrogance. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Or the Portuguese. |
What's wrong with the Portuguese? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Or the Portuguese. |
What's wrong with the Portuguese? |
Absolutely nothing is wrong with the Portuguese. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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Kicking out the Muslims is NOT the solution, integrating them in the European Union is.
Europe has enjoyed many fruits from the Arabic world, and we can still do so, it just requires more patience and understanding. |
That is assuming they can be integrated. Moreover, any possible integration is hampered as Muslim numbers grow bigger, thus enabling them to form their own self-sustaining communities, with no incentive to immigrate. You say that Europe has enjoyed many fruits from the Arab world. Ignoring the fact that we are talking about Muslims as a whole (not just Arabs) what fruits exactly, are they bringing us now? |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| It also seems to stem from people who are afraid of cultural change, and prefer to see their little egg nest unchallenged. Which of course is a perfect rational choice. |
There is cultural change, which is all well and good, if it occurs at a pace at which people are comfortable with, and then there is colonisation, which major cities in Europe are experiencing at the moment. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Exactly right.
Not all cultural change is good. For example, the recent cultural change of newspapers in the USA not "offending muslims" is bad. The movement towards gay rights in the West is good. The introduction (or, reintroduction) of honor killings and female genital mutilation to the West is bad while the many advances that women in the West have made, and continue to make is good. The urge to build a liberal Canadian identity was good, where as the encouragement via "multicultural public policy" (or, buying the ethnic vote) of competing moral communities is bad.
You can't label all opposition to all cultural change as bad. First, ask yourself, what exactly are we opposing? Is it because we oppose all cultural change? Certainly, that is not the case, in my case. Is it because we oppose cultural regression?
Or, Juregen, who is being simplistic in their analysis here? |
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nateium
Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Location: Seoul
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| I still can't understand why all these northern/western European countries let in hundred of thousand of Arabs instead of other Eastern Europeans, East Asians, or even south/central Americans. Wouldn't any of those other countries/cultures provide the necessary cheap labor and integrate better than Arabs? Is it just a flood, or is there some rational decision making when it comes to choosing immigrants? |
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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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Hi,
The symbol can be construed as xenophobic but i can't hardly blame them. Its nice in Switzerland because the people are good. Africa and Arabia is bad becuase the the people, whether good or bad, act like *hitheads. A big fat chunk of this is giving people a bail out of a miserable condition caused by themselves. At least have the decency to show respect. There is an international shakedown racket.
Im sorry but the savagery, burchery and inhumanity displayed by Africans and Muslims is a far greater offensive to humanity than these signs.
How to get rich quick in the racism industry...
1 - Find someone with a different skin color that has more material wealth than you.
2 - Blackmail them with xenophobia accusations until they pay mightily
3 - Move to the next victim, demand humanity
Europe need to deport all Muslims ASAP. |
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