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Dome Vans Guest
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| All Canadians that I have meet in Canada haved loved Americans. In fact many of them would have rather have been Americans.... |
You mean people actually want to be American?  |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: Canadians are the #1 Sufferers of Identity Crisis! |
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[quote="Geckoman"]Out of all the countries in the world, do you know which country has the biggest identity crisis of them all? Canada!
Canadians have a HUGE identity crisis. They have the biggest identity crisis out of all the countries in the world. In fact, their identity crisis is so huge that the word "Canadian" should be put under the definition of "identity crisis" in textbooks. Being Canadian is a textbook example of what it means to have an identity crisis. Nobody suffers more from having an identity crisis than Canadians.
If you ever spend much time with Canadians, particularly if you have gone up and lived among them in their country, you will discover a people that have a huge identity crisis. They are wantabee Brits and will praise England ("London is the greatest city in the world," etc.). After all, they still have the Queen of England as their head-of-state (and whom still has legal power). One would think that the head-of-state of Canada would at least be a Canadian. But in reality they are just like Americans. But Canadians want to prove that they are not American and they do this by resorting to anti-Americanism. So in their attempt to prove that they are not American they bash America. But in reality Canadians are so much more similiar to Americans then they are to Brits.
[If you want to say that Canadians and Americans are similar they are in many ways, I am sure.. They are in many respects similar, but they are not just like Americans. You can say they are in some ways a cross between the mindst of Scottish and British Europeans and Americans. You completely discounted the British influence just because Canada is in North America. Canada was basically part of England until 1937. Americans are similar to Canadians and Canadians are similar to them, because they are from the same continent and they were both originally part of the British Empire. Also, you discount the French influence in the country.
By the way, Australians have the Queen; she is not Australian. There are major similarities and differences between Americans and Canadians on average and most people get along.
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Oreovictim
Joined: 23 Aug 2006
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:16 am Post subject: Re: Canadians are the #1 Sufferers of Identity Crisis! |
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| Geckoman wrote: |
But in reality they are just like Americans. But Canadians want to prove that they are not American and they do this by resorting to anti-Americanism. So in their attempt to prove that they are not American they bash America. But in reality Canadians are so much more similiar to Americans then they are to Brits.
So you can often tell who is a Canadian by who is bashing America. Many Canadians love to bash America. Bashing America is part of the mainstream culture in Canada. So many Canadians get brainwashed by the mainstream anti-American culture of Canada and so become full-time America bashers. It's the truth.
So Canadians are haters of America and want everyone to know that they are not American.  |
Yes! I agree with you completely. I've met a few cool Canadians in Korea, but I've met a crap load of them who have a particular scorn for all things American. And I have a feeling a lot of them felt this way even before Bush came into office. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: Canadians are the #1 Sufferers of Identity Crisis! |
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| Oreovictim wrote: |
| Geckoman wrote: |
But in reality they are just like Americans. But Canadians want to prove that they are not American and they do this by resorting to anti-Americanism. So in their attempt to prove that they are not American they bash America. But in reality Canadians are so much more similiar to Americans then they are to Brits.
So you can often tell who is a Canadian by who is bashing America. Many Canadians love to bash America. Bashing America is part of the mainstream culture in Canada. So many Canadians get brainwashed by the mainstream anti-American culture of Canada and so become full-time America bashers. It's the truth.
So Canadians are haters of America and want everyone to know that they are not American.  |
Yes! I agree with you completely. I've met a few cool Canadians in Korea, but I've met a crap load of them who have a particular scorn for all things American. And I have a feeling a lot of them felt this way even before Bush came into office. |
You both are making generalizations of people because they are making generalizations of Americans. Good job, I see they give out degrees easily enough nowadays
I have met quite a few arrogant, individualistic (and incredibly cheap) Americans in my travels. Then again, most of the people I met in Japan were American, so the chances were pretty high I would meet some bad ones. I, in no way, think most Americans are like that (as many of my friends are American). |
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ardis
Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't say they figuratively bow down to foreigners because they totally trash talk us when they think we aren't listening. I don't speak Korean but when I'm out with my Korean friend, she says that she can sometimes hear Koreans making fun of foreigners. A bartender in Hongdae even told my boyfriend that he needs to learn Korean.
Anyhoo, I think a lot of foreigners get this idea that they're hot sh*t when they're in Korea. I worked with this blonde chick who was by no means my definition of attractive or even cute, but she always went on and on about how Korean women have this inferiority complex and that she just *knows* they all are *so jealous* of her blonde hair. "I mean...like...why do all these Korean women feel so inferior to us? Like...they should just, you know, like, appreciate themselves instead of like, being soooo jealous all the time." Babe, no one was jealous of you. Trust me. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| ardis wrote: |
I wouldn't say they figuratively bow down to foreigners because they totally trash talk us when they think we aren't listening. I don't speak Korean but when I'm out with my Korean friend, she says that she can sometimes hear Koreans making fun of foreigners. A bartender in Hongdae even told my boyfriend that he needs to learn Korean.
Anyhoo, I think a lot of foreigners get this idea that they're hot sh*t when they're in Korea. I worked with this blonde chick who was by no means my definition of attractive or even cute, but she always went on and on about how Korean women have this inferiority complex and that she just *knows* they all are *so jealous* of her blonde hair. "I mean...like...why do all these Korean women feel so inferior to us? Like...they should just, you know, like, appreciate themselves instead of like, being soooo jealous all the time." Babe, no one was jealous of you. Trust me. |
Shoulda told her that hair colour is easy to change, being butt ugly would take several years and 10s of thousands of dollars  |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think Koreans have an identity problem. I think they, as a group, know exactly who they are. They do, as a group, suffer an inferiority complex where they 'need' recognition from others to validate their accomplishments.
I lived in Taiwan for a while, and I got much the same impression as the OP. There is a different feeling there. I guess it's the Chinese sense of identity that is different. |
I think that's pretty much spot-on. That and a denial complex. |
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anyway

Joined: 22 Oct 2005
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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nicholas_chiasson

Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Location: Samcheok
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Unless you are in Canada or Korea, you'll meet 10 americans for every canadian...and thus one is more likely to meet a crazy american...because if 30% of people get on your nerves...You have to meet 30 people to find "one canadian idiot" but you'd find 9 american ones. This is hypothetical though. |
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Dome Vans Guest
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Problem with that Nicholas. If you're out on the town and you see a bunch of 'north Americans' absolutely leathered, being weird, having a fight etc and you have no idea who they are, but hear the accent, you'll assume that they are from one or the other. If they're being loud and abusive then most probably American and plain wierd then probably Canadian.
I'm basing this on assumptions. Which make an ass/ out of u/ and me
Good bank talk that. |
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meangradin

Joined: 10 Mar 2006
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:19 am Post subject: |
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To Geckoman
First, look up "tautology" in the dictionary. I think you will find it helpful in the future when you try to produce a piece of writing.
Secondly, people who speak in superlatives are , well, dull. "Of all the countries in the world the biggest..." Come on; have you been to all the countries in the world? You know going from Texas to Arizona is not international travel, don't you?
Thirdly, and this might surprise you, but some Canadians actually might think that Canada is a better country than, hold your breath here, the USA. How crass! Don't people know that it's a subjective truth that the USA is "da bomb." So what that Canada cares about its citizens demonstrated by its decent and available health care, etc...
Or maybe they are just having a laugh at the Americans expense. You make it sound that on the news every night we have a segment about how awful the USA is, and how much better Canada is. When in fact, we get taught this everyday at school; anti america 101.
You know we are connected (in a geographic sense), so you would be the most logical country to poke fun at; especially since the Bush run in office.
Also, I suspect most of the Americans in Korea are liberal democrats; you know, based on that whole Republican attitude that the USA is so great that one never has to leave. In fact, isn't it unpatriotic to have a passport these days? But I digress. My point is that many of the Americans that I and my fellow Canadians (in our group) meet share very similar views, so there is no genuine bashing; at least this is the case in the circles I travel.
But anyway, there are obnoxious Canadians and Americans; just ignore them.
Oh, and to answer your question about what do you get when I mix a British wanterbe (your spelling?) with an anti american [Canadian], you get a dual UK-Canadian citizen. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Location: Easy Street.
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:50 am Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
I don't think Koreans have an identity problem. I think they, as a group, know exactly who they are. They do, as a group, suffer an inferiority complex where they 'need' recognition from others to validate their accomplishments.
I lived in Taiwan for a while, and I got much the same impression as the OP. There is a different feeling there. I guess it's the Chinese sense of identity that is different. |
I think that's pretty much spot-on. That and a denial complex. |
Yeah the superiority/inferiority complex. It's just 2 sides of the same coin.
I can see why the Chinese sense of identity is different. If you're Chinese I guess you're pretty secure in your sense of identity. You know China's been around forever and will always be around no matter what happens. Chinese culture is known and recognised everywhere. The only civilisation older than yours is the Sumerian, and there aren't a lot of those still walking around to boast about it. You had an advanced and refined civilisation while everyone else was chasing each other naked through the trees.
On the other hand if you're Korean you know your country is small, little known, and surrounded by large dangerous powers. You could be wiped from the face of the earth in a war (as nearly happened), or absorbed totally into China and forgotten (as happened to so many others), or colonised by Japan and your culture eradicated (as nearly happened). Doesn't make one feel secure. |
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