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JAWINSEOUL
Joined: 19 Nov 2005
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| billyg wrote: |
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Bisping won and it was not a hometown decision. |
hamill didn't dominate bisping, but he clearly beat him. he put the pressure on him throughout the fight and had so many take downs, which used to count for something, unless the one getting taken down is fighting in his hometown... even more despicable was the fact that bisping had the audacity to boast about it in the post interview. really can't wait to see him get his a** knocked out now...
| rumdiary wrote: |
| Cro Cop is done. I believe that was the final fight in his contract and I see no reason why Dana White would resign him since most UFC fans didn't know who he was in the first place. |
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Yes he took him down, but Bisping got up pretty fast. I'm not a UFC scoring Guru, but escapes must count for something. |
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| JAWINSEOUL wrote: |
| billyg wrote: |
| JAWINSEOUL wrote: |
Bisping won and it was not a hometown decision. |
hamill didn't dominate bisping, but he clearly beat him. he put the pressure on him throughout the fight and had so many take downs, which used to count for something, unless the one getting taken down is fighting in his hometown... even more despicable was the fact that bisping had the audacity to boast about it in the post interview. really can't wait to see him get his a** knocked out now...
| rumdiary wrote: |
| Cro Cop is done. I believe that was the final fight in his contract and I see no reason why Dana White would resign him since most UFC fans didn't know who he was in the first place. |
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Yes he took him down, but Bisping got up pretty fast. I'm not a UFC scoring Guru, but escapes must count for something. |
Only if you take the top position after you escape. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| I think that Bobby "the Brain" Heenan was the first TV commentator to popularize the expression "ham and eggers" ... |
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livinginkunsan
Joined: 02 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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Only if you take the top position after you escape. |
And where exactly do you come up with that? Do you have a link or just talking out of your a$$ and that is what YOU believe.
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=7746
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And unfortunately, in a sport where scoring is subjective, and where certain judges may place more weight on certain portions of the scoring criteria, variances can crop up from time to time. Do you give Hamill credit for his takedowns, or do they get nullified by Bisping�s reversals in getting back to his feet? Do you place more weight on Hamill�s heavier punches or Bisping�s
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higher volume of jabs? Do you give Hamill credit for his forward march, or do you call his aggressiveness ineffective because Bisping was using his footwork to keep him at bay? |
Seems do disagree with you and point out that it is indeed subjective.. and depending on the judges opinion.. not a set of absolute rules. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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The UFC could use a villian. It wasn't just the highly controversial decision. He also acted like he knocked Hamill out and told him to "go back to wrestling". Can't wait for the rematch.
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Do you place more weight on Hamill�s heavier punches or Bisping�s
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higher volume of jabs? |
No expert but I'm pretty sure the UFC has never been judged like Olympics boxing.
Hamill was robbed. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Official Statement from Matt Hamill
I would like to thank everyone for their unbelievable support. I fought my heart out in London and feel I should have won the fight. The outpouring of support from people all over the world has touched my heart. It validates my performance to myself and that means as much as a win to me. I think MMA is a great sport and I don't believe in any kind of a fix. The two judges that scored the win for Bisping obviously need to re-evaluate the way they score a fight. You can't win a fight when you run for three rounds. They need to study the criteria for scoring an MMA fight: effective striking, grappling, takedowns, aggression and control. Bisping did none of that in my opinion. The UFC has the best MMA in the world and I am proud to be a part of it. I will be fighting in the UFC for a long time. Thanks again to all my fans, especially to all the English fans who came up to me after the fight to tell me I was the winner. I will be back in the octagon very soon and promise to fight my heart out like I always have.
Matt "The Hammer" Hamill
(matthamill.com)
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billyg
Joined: 16 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| livinginkunsan wrote: |
| UFC wrote: |
And unfortunately, in a sport where scoring is subjective, and where certain judges may place more weight on certain portions of the scoring criteria, variances can crop up from time to time. Do you give Hamill credit for his takedowns, or do they get nullified by Bisping�s reversals in getting back to his feet? Do you place more weight on Hamill�s heavier punches or Bisping�s
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higher volume of jabs? Do you give Hamill credit for his forward march, or do you call his aggressiveness ineffective because Bisping was using his footwork to keep him at bay? |
Seems do disagree with you and point out that it is indeed subjective.. and depending on the judges opinion.. not a set of absolute rules. |
keep in mind... that's what the ufc wrote... not all that objective of a source. they're going to do and say whatever it takes to save face.
hamill won the fight. plain and simple. and it's a shame that we'll have to put up with sh&* like this in the ufc, not just boxing, it's especially disheartening beacuse they're signing some of the best talent in the world and we're going to get to see them fight each other... hopefully the decisions will be more decisive... and we won't have to go to the cards. |
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manlyboy
Joined: 01 Aug 2004
Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:31 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, it's all pretty subjective. I mean, do you give credit to Hammil for his front headlock, or do you give credit to Bisping for the damage his face did to Hamill's fist? It's all so arbitrary. |
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Fresh Prince
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: The glorious nation of Korea
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:05 am Post subject: |
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| I was surprised at the result too but leaving the decision to the judges is a risk. It was a great decision from a business persective though. Now there can be a rematch between the two which can be heavily marketed, and the uproar on the Internet despite being negative press, will lead to a lot of new people willing to pay to watch the fights, on TV and in person. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:55 am Post subject: |
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It's always great for box office and PPV buys when there is apparently real heat generated between the contestants.
Muhammad Ali was a master of doing that - especially in his fights with Sonny Liston, Joe Frazier, Archie Moore, Ernie Terrell, Floyd Patterson, and George Foreman...
Of course, pro wrestling often scripts its storylines to create fake heat to generate more fan interest.
It wouldn't surprise me if some UFC bigwig influenced one-or-two of the judges and also encouraged Brisbane to react the way he did just to set up two more big money matches. What's preventing them from doing that - their "scout's honor"? ... |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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Actually, the TV ratings for UFC 75 were huge. Instead of PPV, it was shown on Spike TV. Here's an article ...
The ratings for UFC 75 on Spike TV from this past Saturday, and they�re pretty damn good.
...According to Spike TV, the show drew a 3.1 overall (3 million total homes) rating for a staggering 4.7 million viewers (I think the are factoring in multiple people watching at individual homes). The telecast peaked at 5.6 million viewers during the main event featuring Quinton �Rampage� Jackson and Dan Henderson in a UFC vs. PRIDE 205 lbs. unification title match.
Looking at the breakdown of demographics, the show drew a 5.7 (1.6 million homes) when it came to males between the ages of 18-34; for males 18-49 it drew a 4.5 (2.5 million); and a whopping 6.2 (1 million) for males 25-34.
If the UFC can�t bolster its sponsor roster with ratings like that, I�m not sure what else they need to do. UFC 75 was the most watched mixed martial arts event in North American history.
The show did very well in the key male demos against its competition. In the male 18-49 demo is outdrew Oregon vs. Michigan on ABC, NASCAR on ABC, Virginia Tech vs. LSU on ESPN, and Penn St. vs. Notre Dame on ESPN.
For males 18-34, it outdrew all those events with the lone exception being NASCAR.
Hey, here�s a random thought pertaining to the UFC and Spike TV. Why not make the Michael Bisping vs. Matt Hamill rematch another edition of �Bad Blood� and televise it live and free on Spike? |
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