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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| VanIslander wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
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| gawd, america is a land of hypocrites and fanatics, spread unevenly |
That's a funny line. I like the "[comma] spread unevenly" addition. Did you write that? Wanna know who to give credit to when I steal it. |
i just thought of it but dunno how original it is, after all, i read cookbooks  |
I've never once read a comic book. Long overdue. I'll pick one up tonight. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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What would a belief in God have to do with making reasoned, logical decisions for the good of the country..
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They are not related.
Adventurer, Prince Charles is said to have either converted or is about to convert to islam. That would create a rather amusing constitutional crises in the UK, where the future head of state and the head of the Church would be a muslim. So it goes for Eurabia/Londonistan. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Pierre Trudeau wasn't really a religious man, Harper is careful about invoking going to church |
Trudeau was the leader of the Montreal humanist chapter for many years. He also rode around Montreal in a German army uniform during the beginnings of WW2 (in support of Hitler's political-economic ideas). He returned to Catholicism later in life and was apparently quite devout. I think he was just an erratic, confused man and never should have been PM. A true believer.
Harper attends Church, it is true. Though he is not much of a religious man. He attends for the sake of his wife Laureen, who is quite religious. The "god bless Canada" crap is a gesture to the rednecked Christians in Alberta (my hood). Harper is a libertarian economist leading a so-con political party in a liberal country. He must spend life confused. He is quite the fastball player, I hear. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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And now some quotes (from http://www.wonderfulatheistsofcfl.org/Quotes.htm)
"The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma."
- Abraham Lincoln, American president (1809-1865).
-John Adams, U.S. President, Founding Father of the United States
"Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?"
Thomas Jefferson (Deist)
"History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose. " – Thomas Jefferson to Baron von Humboldt, 1813
"The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites."
"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity." –Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782.
"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors." –Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
"Religions are all alike – founded upon fables and mythologies."
"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man."
"It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
"The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity."
"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."
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It seems "In God we trust" and "God Bless America" have a lot of meaning to Americans. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| jajdude wrote: |
"It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat |
Great quote...
There have been very few people ever on this planet as wise as Jefferson. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| In England as someone brought up, people except the head of state to be an Anglican, a Protestant. The king is not supposed to marry an Englishwoman who is a Catholic. So, even relatively secular England, which is far more secular than the United States has its hang ups. Canada is somewhat more conservative than England, but less than the US when it comes to religion. Pierre Trudeau wasn't really a religious man, Harper is careful about invoking going to church and religion like a George Bush or Bill Clinton would. Would I vote for an atheist? I am not an atheist. It depends on the atheist. Will he try to remove all references of God from the state? If so, I might oppose him as one who believes in God. If he is just there to simply do his job, run the economy, protect the country, then I don't care. On the other hand, I don't like someone who goes around talking about the church or synagogue he attends like a Bush or a Lieberman. I just want to see their good actions, not what spiritual club they attend. |
Good post. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:28 am Post subject: |
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Still 61% of americans would probably not support someone who doesn't believe in a God. Seems scary to me. What would a belief in God have to do with making reasoned, logical decisions for the good of the country..
Just out of curiosity does anyone know how many open athiests/agnostics there are in power? |
The poll says atheists, agnostics do not seem to be represented. They are hardly the same.
Its one problem I'd bring up with the poll. As for the Muslim thing, is that really surprising? |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Pierre Trudeau wasn't really a religious man, Harper is careful about invoking going to church |
Trudeau was the leader of the Montreal humanist chapter for many years. He also rode around Montreal in a German army uniform during the beginnings of WW2 (in support of Hitler's political-economic ideas). He returned to Catholicism later in life and was apparently quite devout. I think he was just an erratic, confused man and never should have been PM. A true believer.
Harper attends Church, it is true. Though he is not much of a religious man. He attends for the sake of his wife Laureen, who is quite religious. The "god bless Canada" crap is a gesture to the rednecked Christians in Alberta (my hood). Harper is a libertarian economist leading a so-con political party in a liberal country. He must spend life confused. He is quite the fastball player, I hear. |
I think Trudeau was one of Canada's better Prime Ministers. I think most Canadians are of that opinion. He, at least, like Diefenbaker, had the interests of Canadians at heart and tried to bring people together, though he had his short comings. I also happen to think that Chretien wasn't so bad, despite the corruption. His cabinet, at least, did a good job. Trudeau and Chretien didn't push religion in Canada. If they prayed in a Catholic church, no problem, they didn't pander to religious Catholics for votes. That's where it counts. I do have some respect for Harper, en passant. |
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