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Ahhh, so that's why the Patriots won 3 Super Bowls
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mack4289



Joined: 06 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good way to put this in perspective:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/070912&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines

"Hey, remember a couple years ago when the Steelers accused the Colts of piping in crowd noise at the RCA Dome?

Remember when the Broncos broke salary-cap rules in order to build the 1997-98 championship team?

Remember when Jim Haslett admitted to using steroids when he was playing for the Pittsburgh Steelers during their dynasty years of the '70s?

Remember when Herm Edwards admitted to breaking NFL rules by using Stick-Um even after it was banned in 1980?

And remember when Lawrence Taylor said he used to send hookers up to the hotel rooms of opposing running backs while he sat at home doing blow? I mean, are we taking away the '86 Giants' Super Bowl championship too? Come on, already. This stuff happens."

I say this as a Bills fan who has watched the Patriots absolutely own the Bills during their championship run (except for when the Bills beat them 31-0 in the first game of '03- the best Bills game since their last AFC championship win). Give the Patriots their due, they've been one of the best teams in the NFL over the past five years, which is very hard to do with free agency and a salary cap.
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Smee



Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought the punishment was too lenient. I thought it should've been at least half a draft class, fine, and suspension.

But it's also interesting to consider who else knew about it. Belichek's coaching family tree includes several other head coaches who may have been in NE while some of this was going on. Likewise the players had to have known something was going on as well. And, to use a big camera like the one against the Jets in the picture would require some budget allotment, which makes me feel that not only Belicheck but the entire organization ought to be punished. A draft choice or two is way too generous.
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dutchy pink



Joined: 06 Feb 2007
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever about the fines, it should be legal to film the team's signals. If a sport lacks all spontaniety where a coach has to call out every single play, you gotta be a little discreet about it.

.. If a guy on second bases sees the catcher signaling pitches and picks up on it, it is cheating?

If you are going to talk about what play you are going to do and someone picks up on it... too bad.
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unknown9398



Joined: 03 Nov 2006
Location: Yeongcheon, S. Korea

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dutchy pink wrote:
Whatever about the fines, it should be legal to film the team's signals.


LOTS of people disagree with you, including me.

dutchy pink wrote:
.. If a guy on second bases sees the catcher signaling pitches and picks up on it, it is cheating?


No, but videotaping those signs would be. See the difference?

dutchy pink wrote:
If you are going to talk about what play you are going to do and someone picks up on it... too bad.


It's fair play for players and coaches to try to pick up what they can with their own eyes and ears. Players on the field and coaches on the sidelines often pick up clues. That's why coaches often cover their mouths when speaking. Videotaping goes well beyond stealing signs. It's an organized effort to match hand signs to plays on the field in order to achieve an unfair advantage.
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