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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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Joo, you've gotta be some Republican PR wonk employed to spout the party line on websites. Really. Very deep. It doesn't work on us anymore, and your continued defense of the indefensible has become sadly maudlin--much like the current presidency (tears and all).
Critical thinking skills, moral compass, ethical concerns no longer apparent. Following blindly--we don't progress like this.
You're not a stupid guy J.....when did thattragedy occur? |
How is the overthrow one of the greatest killers of all time not defensible?
Republican PR wonk . I didn't even vote for Bush in 2000.
If it such a party line then how come the Democrats choice to be Vice President in 2000 is follows Bush on this?
If it is such a party line then why was the 1992 Democratic conventino key note speaker Zell Miller a supporter of Bush on this issue.
It is funny that you mentioned broken .
You know why 9-11 showed me that the middle east needs to be broken.
A war to steal oil would be illegitimate
A war to force the otherside to quite their war in legitimate. |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| canuckistan wrote: |
Joo, you've gotta be some Republican PR wonk employed to spout the party line on websites. Really. Very deep. It doesn't work on us anymore, and your continued defense of the indefensible has become sadly maudlin--much like the current presidency (tears and all).
Critical thinking skills, moral compass, ethical concerns no longer apparent. Following blindly--we don't progress like this.
You're not a stupid guy J.....when did thattragedy occur? |
How is the overthrow one of the greatest killers of all time not defensible? |
Peanuts compared to Stalin. And a few others this century, whom we somehow failed to get indignant enough to "overthrow." (Read: no oil to be had) But we all know that.
They really do have you brainwashed. A shame. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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You are right Hitler , Stalin Mao and Pol Pot were the greatest killers of the 20 the 20th century.
but who is next?
But Iraq was in a strategic position.
It would have been great if the US could have gotten Stalin. Doesn't mean it was wrong to get Saddam. |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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Who is next? Let's stay in the here and now.
It was wrong to lie to the world about why. And the consequences...which they were warned about but explained away saying sunshine would be coming out of everyone's arse in Iraq after they rolled in.
Saddam may have been a bastard, but he kept it from all flying apart. Like Tito. They were warned about this. Many times. The arrogance of this admin is unmitigatingly appalling. The next election will be a relief. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:11 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
You are right Hitler , Stalin Mao and Pol Pot were the greatest killers of the 20 the 20th century.
but who is next? |
Bush: 600,000 - 1,200,000 and counting. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:45 am Post subject: |
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More from his book...
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[Greenspan] praises Clinton's mind and his tough anti-deficit policies, calling the former president's 1993 economic plan "an act of political courage."
But he expresses deep disappointment with Bush. "My biggest frustration remained the president's unwillingness to wield his veto against out-of-control spending," Greenspan writes. "Not exercising the veto power became a hallmark of the Bush presidency. . . . To my mind, Bush's collaborate-don't-confront approach was a major mistake."
Greenspan accuses the Republicans who presided over the party's majority in the House until last year of being too eager to tolerate excessive federal spending in exchange for political opportunity. The Republicans, he says, deserved to lose control of the Senate and House in last year's elections. "The Republicans in Congress lost their way," Greenspan writes. "They swapped principle for power. They ended up with neither."
He singles out J. Dennis Hastert, the Illinois Republican who was House speaker until January, and Tom DeLay, the Texan who was majority leader until he resigned after being indicted for violating campaign finance laws in his home state.
"House Speaker Hastert and House majority leader Tom DeLay seemed readily inclined to loosen the federal purse strings any time it might help add a few more seats to the Republican majority," he writes.
He adds three pages later: "I don't think the Democrats won. It was the Republicans who lost. The Democrats came to power in the Congress because they were the only party left standing."
Greenspan, 81, indirectly criticizes his friend and colleague from the Ford administration, Vice President Cheney. Former Bush Treasury Secretary Paul H. O'Neill has quoted Cheney as once saying, "Reagan proved deficits don't matter."
Greenspan says, " 'Deficits don't matter,' to my chagrin became part of the Republicans' rhetoric."
He argues that "deficits must matter" and that uncontrolled government spending and borrowing can produce high inflation "and economic devastation." |
Yo, BJ, get that last? |
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JMO
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| Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 3:28 am Post subject: |
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Joo you are constantly shifting goalposts, first it wasn't about oil, now its not about stealing oil.
The difference is negligible. Humanitarian reasons have nothing to do with it. we both know this. It was about oil all along. Lets just admit it and move on. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:23 am Post subject: |
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Joo you are constantly shifting goalposts, first it wasn't about oil, now its not about stealing oil.
The difference is negligible. Humanitarian reasons have nothing to do with it. we both know this. It was about oil all along. Lets just admit it and move on. |
Well of course if Iraq didn't have oil and the mideast didn't have oil then it would be strategically worthless.
However the war was not to steal oil. It was to force Bathists , Khomeni followers and Al Qaedist to quit their war. If there was no oil then the situation was different. But the war was not to steal oil.
Since you seem to know so much why don't you teach me about the reasons for war.
In your words or you can cut and paste I don't care tell me your take on how this war was about oil. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:34 am Post subject: |
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canuckistan"]
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| Who is next? Let's stay in the here and now. |
On the mass killer list- Saddam Hussein. According to the same people who did the Iraqi body count he was worse than Idi Amin.
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| It was wrong to lie to the world about why. And the consequences...which they were warned about but explained away saying sunshine would be coming out of everyone's arse in Iraq after they rolled in. |
If the US told the real reasons it would make it impossible for anyone in the mideast to crack down on Al Qaeda.
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| Saddam may have been a *beep*, but he kept it from all flying apart. Like Tito. They were warned about this. Many times. The arrogance of this admin is unmitigatingly appalling. The next election will be a relief.[/ |
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Why ought Iraq not be seperate nations?
If anyone knows the demographic of Iraq it is 20% Sunni Kurd
20% Sunni Arab and 60% Shia Arab.
You think the Kurds and the Shias aren't happy that the US took down Saddam who persecuted them
That is 80% of the population.
While many Iraqis want the US out their most important leaders don't
The Kurds want the US to stay.
Sistani has quitely cooperated with the US.
Sicieri and Hakim the biggest political party in all of Iraq is on good terms with the US and doesn't call for the US to leave.
the only real important leader in Iraq who demands the US leave is Sadr.
If you did a poll in South Korea many would call for the US to leave. Probably not the majority but at least 40%. and more than 50% have a negative impression of the US. Yet the governments they elect keep wanting the US to stay. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
You are right Hitler , Stalin Mao and Pol Pot were the greatest killers of the 20 the 20th century.
but who is next? |
Bush: 600,000 - 1,200,000 and counting. |
first your number are way high
Second you charge the US for everyone the insurgents and Al Qaedia in Iraq killed. andyou are charging the US for insurgents killed.
So you are comparing who Saddam killed with his own forces not only who have been killed by the US but also who have been killed by the insurgents and Al Qaeda Iraq.
Now if you want to do it that way then I think the US ought to get credit for the Kurds and others the US saved by taking down Saddam.
Saddam intened to kill the Kurds
Re invade Kuwait
and it would not stop there either
If you want the worst case figure against Bush then I want the best case figure of lives saved. Deal or no deal? |
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mack4289
Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:58 am Post subject: |
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The war wasn't indefensible, it just wasn't defensible enough. But beyond being defensible, it wasn't practical. The lack of planning and belief in very questionable assumptions is appalingly negligent.
It's misleading to say the war was "just" about oil. Reliable, stable sources of energy are a massive humanitarian issue (even if the sources themselves have horrible humanitarian records). However, going to warto ensure the reliability and stability of the source was a big mistake. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:10 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| what did O'neil say? Link please |
Already have. Use the search function or google it. |
You are SO intellectually lazy, it is unbelievable. Thank you Joo for finding the article. |
You have no idea what the term means, lazy bum. Let me explain it to you. To be intellectually lazy means to not check something out, make an assumption without checking, etc. It does not mean to simply not do something. Since I had already posted it, I simply told Rhhee this so he could find it and read it. My post to him was simple and clear. It was not testy, nor was it a rebuff. It was nothing more than letting him know the info was here already.
Rhhee is one of the most bizarre characters on these forums, but he is the only one of the C/N-C's I have even the slightest respect for, so I have no reason to tweak his nose, so to speak.
You have provided an excellent example of what intellectually lazy means. You made an assumption of my intent that was incorrect. You then characterized my actions as something they weren't without making any attempt to determine what my actions actually were. Had you accused me of being lazy, you could have at least made a viable argument. Sadly, you were too intellectually deficient.
 
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JMO
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| Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:15 am Post subject: |
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Well of course if Iraq didn't have oil and the mideast didn't have oil then it would be strategically worthless.
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In your words or you can cut and paste I don't care tell me your take on how this war was about oil. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:17 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| keane wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| what did O'neil say? Link please |
Already have. Use the search function or google it. |
You mean this link ? |
Sorry, no. The one I already linked to and which the just plain lazy bucheon bum is too childish to search for, though it was posted very recently.
Your link is interesting, but it sounds like back-pedaling to me.
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newton kabiddles
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| Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| Greenspan's mashugana! |
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