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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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 Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Send 'em your crap photos. |
I really liked Jinju's photos.
No need to do a low blow like that mindmetoo.
Attack him for his politics, I have no problem with. But you just came across like an azz with that comment. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| endo wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Send 'em your crap photos. |
I really liked Jinju's photos.
No need to do a low blow like that mindmetoo.
Attack him for his politics, I have no problem with. But you just came across like an azz with that comment. |
Low blow, puhleeze..the guy posts photos (drunks in insadong) that Ive seen actual FIRST TIMERS blow away by a mile, compositionally, technically, etc. Having someone like that go after my photos is a joke. Seriously. Mindmetoo is simply trying to rile me up. If someone who actually understands photography, like Indytrucks said that, id take it to heart, but minmetoo?
What he doesnt get is that he cant rile me up. He is welcome to try harder. There hasnt been a person on this board to get under my collar.
Now, as far as this issue, have a look at what SK's DPRK policy under DJ's influence has been: Total, unconditional appeasement of NK. has SK ever sanctioned NK at all? Even when the Norks tested a NUKE the aid shipments resumed within a month! DJ is calling for total appeasement again. You have to look at what the guy is saying through the policies he has put in place. Its a joke. DJ is a joke, anyone who thinks DJ didnt just throw that part about sanctioning NK in to avoid getting laughed out of the room, is on some bad drugs. This is the guy who has opposed any punishment of NK for the last DECADE! |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:20 am Post subject: |
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Why does the ROK seem to have nothing but shame, and no pride, with relations to all of their neighbors, with their nothern ones in particular? They feel no shame from being extorted out of millions of dollars. Everyone knows full well that money, or any badly needed resources will go to the desparate. I only see the ROK as being crass knowing that their hard earned money is going to the good lives of the upper echoilons of the DPRK society with some of it going to the military. The same military that still vows to light Seoul on fire at the first order. Instead of raising the bar and pushing them on human rights, its let us all be extorted out of hard earned earnies from a nutty regime in the north. In any event, its their money, they can do what they will.
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knickerbocker
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| It's embarrassing that this guy has a Nobel Prize. He's a disgrace. How many millions of North Koreans have starved after his historic summit? How many prisoners have been freed? Enough is enough forchrissakes. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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Will They Cheer N.Korea's Rights Abuses?
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According to the testimony of North Korean defectors, one side of the May Day Stadium where the performance takes place often smells of urine. That�s because students are not allowed to leave their positions while practicing the flash card performance. So they simply urinate while sitting down in their seats. Many children are said to end up getting bladder infections. One wrong move and children are clubbed and punished in groups. Kim Hyun-sik, former professor at Kim Hyung Jik College of Education, said the Arirang performance was "soaked with the blood and tears of the North Korean people."....
Lee used to be a clergyman. Yet after he became a minister, he simply shut his eyes when it comes to North Korean human rights abuses. |
Chosun Ilbo (September 21, 2007)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200709/200709210028.html
Taking the Roh Moo-hyun Show to Pyongyang
by Kim Dae-joong, Chosun Ilbo (September 21, 2007)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200709/200709210020.html |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| knickerbocker wrote: |
| It's embarrassing that this guy has a Nobel Prize. He's a disgrace. How many millions of North Koreans have starved after his historic summit? How many prisoners have been freed? Enough is enough forchrissakes. |
Its not just DJ, though he is the biggest tool of the all. Pretty much all of the idiot liberals who have ran this place during the Kim and Roh administrations are guilty of this. I hope and pray to God that Lee sicks the prosecuters on them all and finds any reason to stick them all behind bars. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:52 am Post subject: |
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re: Arirang.
Roh will certainly not be the first world leader to have attended a mass performance of North Korean propaganda.
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Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright plunged into Communist North Korea today, meeting with the nation's mysterious leader, Kim Jong Il, and attending a gargantuan spectacle of about 100,000 performers that celebrated the cult of her host.
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The dome then filled with fireworks, and an entire side of the arena in front of Mr. Kim and Dr. Albright blinked with changing images, mostly graphics of Communist symbols and triumphs, with tractors, great potato harvests and electrical transformers.
The images were created by about 30,000 people seated side by side holding color-coded cards in front of them and flicking them in highly synchronized movements to achieve the patterns, Korean officials said. The extravaganza was performed two weeks ago in a tribute to the Workers Party of Korea and repeated for the visiting American.
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I'm assuming that the Americans did not conduct a thorough investigation beforehand to ensure that no human rights were violated in the production of the mass spectacle that Albright watched.
The Sunshine Policy is certainly open to legitimate criticism, but this whole "what about the children!!" thing seems like a bit of a manufactured issue. Here is a photo of Park Geun Hye, erstwhile darling of the South Korean Right, meeting with Kim Jong Il.
For all we know, the painting behind her was created by an artist in the kimchi gulag with who had a gun pointed at his head while he worked. That's not an implausible scenario, given what is known about North Korea. And that's just one possible scenario of something that you would encounter on a trip to NK that was produced under less than humanitarian conditions.
The fact is, any time you visit a dictatorship, you're probably going to be in close proximity to some major human rights violations. It's pretty much just a fact of doing business with such regimes.
http://tinyurl.com/38mmu9
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Sincinnatislink
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
Location: Top secret.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| *Insert jingoism ignorant of thread and context of quote* |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:41 am Post subject: |
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Members of the six-party talks should do all that North Korea wants,� Kim said at the National Press Club in downtown Washington, �and if North Korea still refuses to give up its nuclear development, then we should impose sanctions.�
Jinju, you highlighted the wrong part. I fixed it for you. |
"sanctions" what a laugh. That's been tried quite a few times. Seems China et. all likes to kick that idea every time. And what would the sanctions look like? Who's going to enforce the sanctions? We all know that South Korea doesn't have the balls to enforce them, especially on the sea front. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| Vicissitude wrote: |
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Members of the six-party talks should do all that North Korea wants,� Kim said at the National Press Club in downtown Washington, �and if North Korea still refuses to give up its nuclear development, then we should impose sanctions.�
Jinju, you highlighted the wrong part. I fixed it for you. |
"sanctions" what a laugh. That's been tried quite a few times. Seems China et. all likes to kick that idea every time. And what would the sanctions look like? Who's going to enforce the sanctions? We all know that South Korea doesn't have the balls to enforce them, especially on the sea front. |
Tsk. China supports reining in North Korea now. Try to keep up. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Vicissitude wrote: |
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Members of the six-party talks should do all that North Korea wants,� Kim said at the National Press Club in downtown Washington, �and if North Korea still refuses to give up its nuclear development, then we should impose sanctions.�
Jinju, you highlighted the wrong part. I fixed it for you. |
"sanctions" what a laugh. That's been tried quite a few times. Seems China et. all likes to kick that idea every time. And what would the sanctions look like? Who's going to enforce the sanctions? We all know that South Korea doesn't have the balls to enforce them, especially on the sea front. |
Tsk. China supports reining in North Korea now. Try to keep up. |
Okay teacher, could you please point out out where in the article it says that "China supports reining in North Korea?" Because what I see is this:
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He said he had telephoned Chinese, Japanese, Russian and South Korean leaders, who had all reaffirmed their commitment to a nuclear-free Korean peninsula.
In an unusually strong statement against its ally, China said the claimed test "defied the universal opposition of international society".
The BBC's Rupert Wingfield-Hayes in Beijing says China's statement is an indication of how strongly it is angered by North Korea's action, although Beijing will still be loath to support tougher sanctions against Pyongyang." |
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