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Adventurer
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Looks like the Left is enjoying their rehash of the Sixties. War protests in DC and "civil rights" protests in the Deep South.
How pathetic both spectacles are.
To think that the role of Rosa Parks (which I think all Americans honor) is now being played by a teenage thug who, with five pals, trashed someone else because of his lack of melanin.
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I am sorry but African American protestors holding signs saying free the Jena 6 do not represent the Left. The Left believes in order to some extent, though they do believe in fighting against discrimination.
Saying a hoodlum should be freed for beating a white youth is not a position of the Left. I don't think punishment should differ based on race, but I think Mychal Bell should be in jail. Your assumption about the Left is basically saying that white people on the Left don't mind their sons beaten up just for being white just for the sake of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.
I don't think that's anymore true than black people welcoming nooses on a tree. People on the Left are against law breaking from any race and prejudice from any race. |
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stevemcgarrett
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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Adventurer imagined:
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| Left is basically saying that white people on the Left don't mind their sons beaten up just for being white just for the sake of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. I don't think that's anymore true than black people welcoming nooses on a tree. People on the Left are against law breaking from any race and prejudice from any race. |
Oh, really, than why is it always the self-appointed liberal black civil rights leaders who engage in this sort of public outcry and obfuscation? Hmmm...? |
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djsmnc
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| sundubuman wrote: |
Looks like the Left is enjoying their rehash of the Sixties. War protests in DC and "civil rights" protests in the Deep South.
How pathetic both spectacles are.
To think that the role of Rosa Parks (which I think all Americans honor) is now being played by a teenage thug who, with five pals, trashed someone else because of his lack of melanin.
Sad. |
I am sorry but African American protestors holding signs saying free the Jena 6 do not represent the Left. The Left believes in order to some extent, though they do believe in fighting against discrimination.
Saying a hoodlum should be freed for beating a white youth is not a position of the Left. I don't think punishment should differ based on race, but I think Mychal Bell should be in jail. Your assumption about the Left is basically saying that white people on the Left don't mind their sons beaten up just for being white just for the sake of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.
I don't think that's anymore true than black people welcoming nooses on a tree. People on the Left are against law breaking from any race and prejudice from any race. |
I don't think that was his point. I think the point is that the Left (i.e. liberal media/ pundits) doesn't have the ammunition or that it used to have to effectively promote social change.
It's like comparing Woodstock '94 to the original. |
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Alyallen
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
Adventurer imagined:
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| Left is basically saying that white people on the Left don't mind their sons beaten up just for being white just for the sake of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. I don't think that's anymore true than black people welcoming nooses on a tree. People on the Left are against law breaking from any race and prejudice from any race. |
Oh, really, than why is it always the self-appointed liberal black civil rights leaders who engage in this sort of public outcry and obfuscation? Hmmm...? |
I highlighted the key phrase. Self appointed as in not elected and therefore not the true representatives of any group except their own interest groups. They manipulate and reinvent history in order to serve their own self interests. And they also expect people to fall for their bluster and think it counts for authority...which you seem to do far too often, Steve. |
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stevemcgarrett
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| And they also expect people to fall for their bluster and think it counts for authority...which you seem to do far too often, Steve. |
Correction: they have no authority in my book, but yet a legion of black community activists and wannabe protest leaders continue to treat them as though they do.
Once again you've missed my point. Gee, what a surprise.  |
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Alyallen
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
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| And they also expect people to fall for their bluster and think it counts for authority...which you seem to do far too often, Steve. |
Correction: they have no authority in my book, but yet a legion of black community activists and wannabe protest leaders continue to treat them as though they do.
Once again you've missed my point. Gee, what a surprise. |
You are missing my point. People have the right to align themselves with anyone they wish. This sort of "problem" wouldn't be attributed to admirers of for example Ron Paul or the NRA. The only difference is that these ingrates (Sharpton and Jackson) get more air time and somehow manage to cause (or increase) controversies.
Who these activists and other protest leaders follow are their right and their prerogative and we may both frown upon it but it's out of our hands, aint it? |
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stevemcgarrett
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| This sort of "problem" wouldn't be attributed to admirers of for example Ron Paul or the NRA. The only difference |
Let me complete this thought...The only difference is that Paul doesn't pretend to speak for all white people as Jackson and Sharpton often do. |
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Alyallen
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:21 am Post subject: |
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| This sort of "problem" wouldn't be attributed to admirers of for example Ron Paul or the NRA. The only difference |
Let me complete this thought...The only difference is that Paul doesn't pretend to speak for all white people as Jackson and Sharpton often do. |
Pretend being the key word. I don't believe it. You don't believe it. A lot of other people don't believe it. So "pretend" is all it is except for the most simplistic minds who will follow damn near anyone....
And so, I don't worry about Sharpton and Jackson. Anyone with half a brain sees right through them..... |
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blaseblasphemener
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:41 am Post subject: |
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The issue is how the DA handled the case, the charges of attempted murder that were issued, and trying Bell as an adult. Also, the principal not suspending the White students who hung the nooses, and the shotgun incident were also issues to a lesser degree.
The issue is NOT affirmative action.
The issue is NOT pimp, biatch, hoodlum, etc. culture. That's another issue, and an earlier poster was spot on in saying, where's the marching to fight that?
That's why I agreed with the Black columnist who said Imus is not the issue in the Rutgers case, Black Hoodlum culture is much worse than anything a White DJ from New York City could say. As he said, most people in American Black culture probably don't even listen to Imus.
I wonder though, how the Whites on this board would feel if they were the minority in America, and if a Black DA did what the LA DA did, as well as the school principal did, in this case. You can call it an isolated incident. That's a safe way to pawn it off as "not our problem". It's still the American Justice system, even if it's buttlik LA. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:59 am Post subject: |
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I don't worry about Sharpton and Jackson. Anyone with half a brain sees right through them.....
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I see them as the moral equivalent of ambulance chasing lawyers. It's a shame, too, because there are plenty of bright, accomplished, dedicated men and women in the black community who would make much better spokespersons on national TV than either Al or Jesse. It's just that the media prefers flashy, trashy talking heads. |
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Adventurer
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
The issue is how the DA handled the case, the charges of attempted murder that were issued, and trying Bell as an adult. Also, the principal not suspending the White students who hung the nooses, and the shotgun incident were also issues to a lesser degree.
The issue is NOT affirmative action.
The issue is NOT pimp, biatch, hoodlum, etc. culture. That's another issue, and an earlier poster was spot on in saying, where's the marching to fight that?
That's why I agreed with the Black columnist who said Imus is not the issue in the Rutgers case, Black Hoodlum culture is much worse than anything a White DJ from New York City could say. As he said, most people in American Black culture probably don't even listen to Imus.
I wonder though, how the Whites on this board would feel if they were the minority in America, and if a Black DA did what the LA DA did, as well as the school principal did, in this case. You can call it an isolated incident. That's a safe way to pawn it off as "not our problem". It's still the American Justice system, even if it's buttlik LA. |
I just read that the student would have been possibly killed had another student not intervened. In light of that, Mychal Bell could have murdered the boy. There were six on one of them. Sharpton wants the bail reduced so Mychal Bell can get out on bail. Why should there be a low bail amount for a boy who caused serious harm to another? Bell, as I understand, already has a record. I think the governor knows Louisiana has a large black population and she doesn't want a worse mess on her hands for Louisiana. I can understand, though, her insisting it going to juvenile court, but had Bell killed the white kid, he would have been charged as an adult with murder. Mychal Bell is very lucky those protestors were out there, but I really don't think he deserves it and neither do his violent companions. It is one thing to put nooses and one thing to almost kill someone by being extremely violent. One does not excuse the other. This is like someone putting the cartoons of Mohammed and then people defending the resulting terrorism. Do you think that's a wrong comparison. I just don't think attempting to kill another human being who wasn't even involved with the nooses so horrible. |
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stevemcgarrett
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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Let me take a moment to remind everyone of something:
The FBI's point man in that part of Louisiana who deals with violations of civil rights and who is himself black has gone on record on CNN stating that while he found the initial sentencing of Bell harsh, the DA was perfectly within his bounds to charge the teen as he did.
Bell has four prior convictions. He's a thug. Now if the Rainbow crowd had been CLEVER, they should have focused their concern on the other boys' plight, which did show evidence of judicial abuse.
Got it yet? |
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Alyallen
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
Let me take a moment to remind everyone of something:
The FBI's point man in that part of Louisiana who deals with violations of civil rights and who is himself black has gone on record on CNN stating that while he found the initial sentencing of Bell harsh, the DA was perfectly within his bounds to charge the teen as he did.
Bell has four prior convictions. He's a thug. Now if the Rainbow crowd had been CLEVER, they should have focused their concern on the other boys' plight, which did show evidence of judicial abuse.
Got it yet? |
Um...no idea who that's directed at...
I do believe all the boys (except for the one who's case is sealed in juvenile court) had their charges changed to lesser charges... |
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cerulean808
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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Alyallen
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| Um...no idea who that's directed at... |
Don't worry, Steve McCarthy frequently exhibits psychotic outbursts - this forum is kind of an outlet for him. Just like those poor sods you see wandering the streets and other public spaces, ranting and lashing out at invisible demons.
It speaks volumes that Steve McCarthy is compelled to distort this ugly racist incident. In his feverish imagination it is the good white folks of Jena and broadly, America, who are the true victims here. Sure there are some black victims too. But the bad guys are only one colour, Black. |
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