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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Would Barak Obama bring about public funding of abortion? No? Then on this issue I think it's safe to assume that Harper's position is well to the left of Obama's, and you're barking up an empty tree. |
Barking up an 'empty' tree? Hahaha...that's kind of funny. Perhaps I am barking up an 'empty' tree...  but it is interesting though to actually intellectually discuss all of the misinformation.
Nontheless...your question (or rather unresearched/uninformed conclusion/statement) - Would Barack Obama bring about public funding for abortion? Bring about? First off, public funding for abortion already exists in the United States.
One step further, to answer your question on Barack Obama specifically, the programs already exist and have for a long time, and yes Obama plans to pump a lot more money into what already exists:
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=356962
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A pro-life group in Washington has launched a campaign to oppose what it calls president-elect Barack Obama's planned $1.5 billion "bailout" of the abortion industry.
Last week, the Obama-Biden Transition Project posted a report on its website that calls for dramatic policy reversals on abortion, including $1 billion in taxpayer money for international abortion groups like Planned Parenthood. The report, titled "Advancing Reproductive Rights and Health in a New Administration," also calls for a 133-percent increase in funding for the Title X program, which funds Planned Parenthood clinics across the country. |
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Tater
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 7:08 am Post subject: |
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Guys...
The OP is trolling you into responses. He has clearly already lost any attempt at an argument he has begun. Keeping this going is doing nothing more than feeding the troll's ego. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: ... |
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| I realise that people with anti-abortion views represent only one slice of American society (perhaps around 50% ... a bit more than a slice maybe); however I think the problem is that their entire platform is based on intellectually cowardly thinking. |
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| Forty-one percent say the government and the courts should not alter the current availability of abortions, and an additional 15 percent say they should be easier to get; that leaves the 42 percent, cited above, who want abortions made harder to obtain. |
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/abortion_poll030122.html
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In a Gallup Canada poll taken April 2005, 52% of respondents say they would like to see Canadian abortion laws "remain the same," 20% say they would like the laws to be "less strict," while 24% say they would like the laws to be "more strict."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Canada
A quarter is still a pretty big slice. Any comments on the thought process going on there?
2. 50% of fertilized embryos are miscarried, so abortion should be legal is something akin to saying X% of people die in car accidents, so capital punishment should be legal. It's probably the worst pro-choice argument I've ever heard.
3. But you're not looking to argue issues. You want to argue countries. That's intellectually cowardly. Or more like lazy. |
That 24% of Canadians want stricter laws on abortion doesn't really surprise me. I'm sure that the ones who are motivated by religion haven't really thought through the cold hard facts just like American anti-abortionists who are motivated by Christianity. Indeed, most right-wing Canadian Christians (of which there are thankfully not that many) are the most American people you'll find who don't have an American passport. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Would Barak Obama bring about public funding of abortion? No? Then on this issue I think it's safe to assume that Harper's position is well to the left of Obama's, and you're barking up an empty tree. |
Barking up an 'empty' tree? Hahaha...that's kind of funny. Perhaps I am barking up an 'empty' tree... but it is interesting though to actually intellectually discuss all of the misinformation.
Nontheless...your question (or rather unresearched/uninformed conclusion/statement) - Would Barack Obama bring about public funding for abortion? Bring about? First off, public funding for abortion already exists in the United States.
One step further, to answer your question on Barack Obama specifically, the programs already exist and have for a long time, and yes Obama plans to pump a lot more money into what already exists:
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=356962
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A pro-life group in Washington has launched a campaign to oppose what it calls president-elect Barack Obama's planned $1.5 billion "bailout" of the abortion industry.
Last week, the Obama-Biden Transition Project posted a report on its website that calls for dramatic policy reversals on abortion, including $1 billion in taxpayer money for international abortion groups like Planned Parenthood. The report, titled "Advancing Reproductive Rights and Health in a New Administration," also calls for a 133-percent increase in funding for the Title X program, which funds Planned Parenthood clinics across the country. |
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If a woman with no medical insurance in America needs an abortion who pays for it?
Believe me, if Obama were PM of Canada and introduced a budget that included the exact proportion of military and health care spending that he will next year in America he'd be branded a right-wing extremist. Now, I'm not suggesting he wouldn't like to do differently, but such are the confines of America. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Believe me, if Obama were PM of Canada and introduced a budget that included the exact proportion of military and health care spending that he will next year in America he'd be branded a right-wing extremist. Now, I'm not suggesting he wouldn't like to do differently, but such are the confines of America. |
If an orange was an apple, I wouldn't have to peel it.
In the hypothetical IF he were PM of Canada...it is very unlikely he would introduce that kind of budget. If he did, yes, that would be a rightwing extremist by anyone's standards, America's as well, IF a person was to implement that in Canada...for all the obvious reasons.
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I think most Americans appear to be cowards' to your 'intellectual' discussion, not because it is 'intellectual' (questionable to begin with), but because every one of these discussions always reverts right back to Canada every single time.
Incidently, this is basically the biggest problem people have with Canadians in general in Korea (and I think I should specify this seems to be Ontario-specific). We're all in Korea, but every single time, every single conversation goes back to Canada. It's tedious and mind-numbing much like having a conversation with a hardcore bible thumper. |
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Hanson
Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Incidently, this is basically the biggest problem people have with Canadians in general in Korea (and I think I should specify this seems to be Ontario-specific). We're all in Korea, but every single time, every single conversation goes back to Canada. It's tedious and mind-numbing much like having a conversation with a hardcore bible thumper. |
Yeah, but in Canada, we don't have this problem.
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Tiger Beer
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Incidently, this is basically the biggest problem people have with Canadians in general in Korea (and I think I should specify this seems to be Ontario-specific). We're all in Korea, but every single time, every single conversation goes back to Canada. It's tedious and mind-numbing much like having a conversation with a hardcore bible thumper. |
Yeah, but in Canada, we don't have this problem.
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Heh heh. Good one!
Oh man, that's another cringer...the words 'in Canada'...stuck on so many Ontario-ites tounge.
I should be thankful in Michigan, we are fortunately sepated by an international state line, and don't have to listen to Ontario's egocentricness if we don't want to. But you guys from Quebec, stuck with the nonsense! Oh man.
Just an extra thought...I've heard mindnumbingly long and dull lists upon lists of famous anglo Canadians in the U.S., but they never mention the greatest Quebecer of origin of all time (even if he himself was born in Massachussets) ---> Jack Kerouac! |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Believe me, if Obama were PM of Canada and introduced a budget that included the exact proportion of military and health care spending that he will next year in America he'd be branded a right-wing extremist. Now, I'm not suggesting he wouldn't like to do differently, but such are the confines of America. |
If an orange was an apple, I wouldn't have to peel it.
In the hypothetical IF he were PM of Canada...it is very unlikely he would introduce that kind of budget. If he did, yes, that would be a rightwing extremist by anyone's standards, America's as well, IF a person was to implement that in Canada...for all the obvious reasons.
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I think most Americans appear to be cowards' to your 'intellectual' discussion, not because it is 'intellectual' (questionable to begin with), but because every one of these discussions always reverts right back to Canada every single time.
Incidently, this is basically the biggest problem people have with Canadians in general in Korea (and I think I should specify this seems to be Ontario-specific). We're all in Korea, but every single time, every single conversation goes back to Canada. It's tedious and mind-numbing much like having a conversation with a hardcore bible thumper. |
I do think that most of what I've called 'intellectual cowardice' in the US can be found in Canada, too, though not so often to the point that it governs public discourse. An exception to this would be PC-liberal fear of discussing some topics for fear of 'offending' others, which is just as bad if not worse in Canada, especially in the university scene. However, when it comes to discussion of things that could strike at society's core values, it seems that many - no, not all - Americans just don't have the stomach for it. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
| Hanson wrote: |
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| Incidently, this is basically the biggest problem people have with Canadians in general in Korea (and I think I should specify this seems to be Ontario-specific). We're all in Korea, but every single time, every single conversation goes back to Canada. It's tedious and mind-numbing much like having a conversation with a hardcore bible thumper. |
Yeah, but in Canada, we don't have this problem.
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Heh heh. Good one!
Oh man, that's another cringer...the words 'in Canada'...stuck on so many Ontario-ites tounge.
I should be thankful in Michigan, we are fortunately sepated by an international state line, and don't have to listen to Ontario's egocentricness if we don't want to. But you guys from Quebec, stuck with the nonsense! Oh man.
Just an extra thought...I've heard mindnumbingly long and dull lists upon lists of famous anglo Canadians in the U.S., but they never mention the greatest Quebecer of origin of all time (even if he himself was born in Massachussets) ---> Jack Kerouac! |
There I'd have to agree with you. People who get super proud of Canadian celebs changing their citizenship to Hollywood but who think that Radio Canada is only a radio station are pretty embarrassing to listen to sometimes. |
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little mixed girl
Joined: 11 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I lived in America for three years. I will say that some Canadians aren't much different but it seems like a very high percentage of ordinary Americans are very afraid of having their values challenged. And some of the Christians can get so offended at the drop of a hat. I've also noticed that on American-based websites some people are so afraid of argument and confrontation. Just a few observations. |
i think that the issue is that most people don't want their ideas challenged.
i've talked with people from various different countries, and the majority of them were not looking to hear things that challenged their beliefs.
when you grow up with something, and that something is normal to you, it's hard to accept someone who comes from a different background.
heck, it happens well enough amongst the ethnic and religious minorities in our countries! |
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DC in Suwon
Joined: 14 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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Abortion, along with gay marriage, and some other debates are used in the U.S. to split Americans up against each other. While there are pretty much an infinite amount of other issues, politicians use things like abortion to get votes, rather than talk about the daily issues facing all of us (Americans).
Just reading and replying to this thread makes me excited to go to Korea and get the heck out of U.S. and Florida.
(Florida is a bible thumping, police state where northerners come to die.)
Can't wait for Suwon and the majority of non-christian Koreans!!!!!!  |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Just reading and replying to this thread makes me excited to go to Korea and get the heck out of U.S. and Florida.
(Florida is a bible thumping, police state where northerners come to die.)
Can't wait for Suwon and the majority of non-christian Koreans!!!!!! |
Errrr...there are already way too many Christians in Korea. They'll try to prosletize you here too...try to get them to tell you about their Buddhism, and you'll be looking at blank faces.
Thanks for the heads-up on Florida...I saw you are from Clearwater, FL on the other thread. Home and headquarters of the Scientologists.
Tampa has always been 'grey area' for me...not sure if its conservative South or somewhat influenced by its midwesterners/northeasterner population. On the other hand, probably is just the old northerners, as you say. I might have to cross that off of my potentiality list  |
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Ukon
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Abortion, along with gay marriage, and some other debates are used in the U.S. to split Americans up against each other. While there are pretty much an infinite amount of other issues, politicians use things like abortion to get votes, rather than talk about the daily issues facing all of us (Americans).
Just reading and replying to this thread makes me excited to go to Korea and get the heck out of U.S. and Florida.
(Florida is a bible thumping, police state where northerners come to die.)
Can't wait for Suwon and the majority of non-christian Koreans!!!!!! |
Bingo....truth be told, most of americans could give less of a damn about babies being aborted...
Again, I suggest people read the book "deer hunting with jesus"....it's less so a "well thought out position" so much as it is part of the culture and value system or certain parts of the USA. Sorta like how some of the dumbest liberal laws get passed on in Canada or European countries because it fits with their values......I doubt most Canadians think overweight folks should get a free extra seat on airplanes...but it passed! |
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kingleo
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Anyang, Korea
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| Incidently, this is basically the biggest problem people have with Canadians in general in Korea (and I think I should specify this seems to be Ontario-specific). We're all in Korea, but every single time, every single conversation goes back to Canada. It's tedious and mind-numbing much like having a conversation with a hardcore bible thumper. |
Dude ain't that the truth...you mention Ontario but I think Vancouverans are just as bad. I've been here 8 years and met enough Canuks to know -don't get into fight with a Sicilian concerning death and never say anything to a Canadian concerning life. |
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glasshalffull
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Busan, South Korea
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Tiger Beer wrote: |
| Hanson wrote: |
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| Incidently, this is basically the biggest problem people have with Canadians in general in Korea (and I think I should specify this seems to be Ontario-specific). We're all in Korea, but every single time, every single conversation goes back to Canada. It's tedious and mind-numbing much like having a conversation with a hardcore bible thumper. |
Yeah, but in Canada, we don't have this problem.
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Heh heh. Good one!
Oh man, that's another cringer...the words 'in Canada'...stuck on so many Ontario-ites tounge.
I should be thankful in Michigan, we are fortunately sepated by an international state line, and don't have to listen to Ontario's egocentricness if we don't want to. But you guys from Quebec, stuck with the nonsense! Oh man.
Just an extra thought...I've heard mindnumbingly long and dull lists upon lists of famous anglo Canadians in the U.S., but they never mention the greatest Quebecer of origin of all time (even if he himself was born in Massachussets) ---> Jack Kerouac! |
There I'd have to agree with you. People who get super proud of Canadian celebs changing their citizenship to Hollywood but who think that Radio Canada is only a radio station are pretty embarrassing to listen to sometimes. |
canada sucks. |
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