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mises
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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Quit making excuses for yourself. It has little to do with the "opinions" you hold (nobody cares): people on here just don't like you as a person, because you're basically arrogant, smug, and think you always know better. |
Thanks for your opinion on the matter, Mr. Beck. |
Get a new line already. You have more in common with him than I do - and you share more of the same views. |
A pointless lie. Like Mr. Beck, you're constantly hating on the current administration, screaming about how we're losing our freedoms, being melodramatic about the horrors of government, and launching into conspiracy theories. Reading your posts is like watching his show. Sorry that bothers you. |
Glenn Beck considers Ron Paul to be a "nut", supports the patriot act, and supports government bailouts of the banks. As I said, he has more in common with you than with me. Also, you are both hypocrites - and you both like to fake indignation.
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| Nonsense. Given I'm for moderate, reasonable levels of government, the vast majority of people here share my views, while only a very few share yours. More importantly, only a tiny, tiny portion of society consist of radical Libertarians. Most people, for instance, aren't screaming that income-tax is unconstitutional despite it being in the Constitution. Only people in a tiny, special category do totally inane things like that. |
Lol, do you actually think others on here view you as you view yourself? You are so full of yourself, it's simply hilarious. Pretending to be reasonable and moderate, when you are nothing more than a liberal extremist who has admitted he would like to dismantle the constitution and let the government run our lives. I've seen you admit that you don't care about infringing on peoples' freedoms - that it would actually makes you happy to do so if it would help you to get your way. You think you're smarter than everyone one here, but all you do is lie and spin. Your credibility is zero.
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| That said, people like you may be rare, but they're loud. |
Oh really? Do you turn up the volume on your speakers when you read my posts? 
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| ... and I also feel we do a much better job of making our case in most threads. |
Of course you feel that way, because you agree with what you say. The fact that you'd even say such a thing is embarassingly ridiculous; everyone thinks they do a better job making their case than the opposition does. |
Allow me to amend my statement: "we do a much better job of making our case in most threads, as a matter of fact". Better?
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| You're probably labeling 10 or more regular posters on here "extremists" ... |
Who are these 10 posters? I can think of maybe 2 or 3 that are ridiculous ultra-extremist Libertarians, and a a few more that are moderates with Libertarian leanings (who assuredly shouldn't be put into the same category as people such as yourself). |
I think it's more than 10. Basically anyone who doesn't support Obama healthcare, the Fed, or the anthropogenic global warming scam.
And now you're putting me into my own category?  wow, you must really be getting desperate. You'd make a good shrink, quack.
That you genuinely fail to grasp the hypocrisy of most of your posts shows that you're nowhere near as smart as you pretend. You come on here acting like some kind of psychoanalyst, looking down on us "nut-jobs" when you're probably the biggest imbecile on here. You have no idea how to properly debate - with you it can only descend into meaningless semantics and insults (yes, it is you who always starts it, never me - I just refuse to let your smug arrogance go unanswered). Debating with you is a waste of time - spending time discrediting your character would almost be amusing though (if it weren't so easy).
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| I don't need to discredit you; you discredit yourself. You're doing it right now with your pathetic whining and angry ranting. And that suits me just fine; every time you open your mouth, you remind the moderate majority of what extremist Libertarians are like, and that helps to keep people from falling for your nonsense. |
Ooh, now that you've got your back to the wall, I guess you've got to go for the passive-aggressive treatment. How predictable. For someone who likes to pretend he's some sort of psychoanalyst genius on here, dissecting everyone's characters, you sure are easy to read.
And since you brought it up, I've noticed more people waking up to the libertarian side of things recently, and yet you still try to act like you're representing the mainstream. You're not. Nobody gives a damn what you think. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds good in theory but it's kind of fun rubbing Fox's nose into the turds he lays on here. I'll probably give it a try one of these days though... |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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Quit making excuses for yourself. It has little to do with the "opinions" you hold (nobody cares): people on here just don't like you as a person, because you're basically arrogant, smug, and think you always know better. |
Thanks for your opinion on the matter, Mr. Beck. |
Get a new line already. You have more in common with him than I do - and you share more of the same views. |
A pointless lie. Like Mr. Beck, you're constantly hating on the current administration, screaming about how we're losing our freedoms, being melodramatic about the horrors of government, and launching into conspiracy theories. Reading your posts is like watching his show. Sorry that bothers you. |
Glenn Beck considers Ron Paul to be a "nut", supports the patriot act, and supports government bailouts of the banks. |
Congratulations on finding a scant few things you disagree with Glenn Beck about. Newsflash: I disagree with Glenn Beck on all those things too, so they're totally irrelevent in any sort of play-by-play comparison. Of course, you probably didn't know I disagreed with those things, because you don't actually think about what your opponents say. You just read a few things you superficially disagree with and go nuts.
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| Nonsense. Given I'm for moderate, reasonable levels of government, the vast majority of people here share my views, while only a very few share yours. More importantly, only a tiny, tiny portion of society consist of radical Libertarians. Most people, for instance, aren't screaming that income-tax is unconstitutional despite it being in the Constitution. Only people in a tiny, special category do totally inane things like that. |
Lol, do you actually think others on here view you as you view yourself? |
Yes. Ever notice the group I most often argue with? It's made up almost entirely of the ultra-Libertarian lunatic corps you're so proud of being a part of. I'm sorry you can't bring yourself to accept that, but it doesn't particularly bother me either. It's just one more way you're out of touch with reailty.
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| That said, people like you may be rare, but they're loud. |
Oh really? Do you turn up the volume on your speakers when you read my posts? |
I don't know if you're just being obtuse here or what.
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| ... and I also feel we do a much better job of making our case in most threads. |
Of course you feel that way, because you agree with what you say. The fact that you'd even say such a thing is embarassingly ridiculous; everyone thinks they do a better job making their case than the opposition does. |
Allow me to amend my statement: "we do a much better job of making our case in most threads, as a matter of fact". Better? |
Insofar as it changes your statement from an expression of opinion to an outright lie, I wouldn't say it's better, no.
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| You're probably labeling 10 or more regular posters on here "extremists" ... |
Who are these 10 posters? I can think of maybe 2 or 3 that are ridiculous ultra-extremist Libertarians, and a a few more that are moderates with Libertarian leanings (who assuredly shouldn't be put into the same category as people such as yourself). |
I think it's more than 10. Basically anyone who doesn't support Obama healthcare, the Fed, or the anthropogenic global warming scam. |
No, it goes well beyond that. Things like opposing the Fed, or even opposing "Obama health care", or even feeling like particular anti-global warming initatives are within the realm of reason. Hell, even I oppose the Federal Reserve, I've expressed reticence regarding certain anti-global warming iniatives, and I've said I feel the health care plans being currently proposed are more like insurance industry bail-outs that real reform, and I have almost nothing in common with you despite that.
It's not things like that that make you an extremist. It's things like saying income tax isn't constitutional despite being in the Constitution, or conspiracy theories about the Rockefellers, or so forth that define people like you, and it's things like that that ensure the common man will never be in your crazy little group. The majority will never be like you or support you, and I'm thankful for it.
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| And now you're putting me into my own category? wow, you must really be getting desperate. You'd make a good shrink, quack. |
Not your own category, just a much smaller category than you wish were the case. Go ahead and name the 10 posters you feel should be classed with you. I wonder how happy they'd be to hear it.
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| I don't need to discredit you; you discredit yourself. You're doing it right now with your pathetic whining and angry ranting. And that suits me just fine; every time you open your mouth, you remind the moderate majority of what extremist Libertarians are like, and that helps to keep people from falling for your nonsense. |
Ooh, now that you've got your back to the wall ... |
I have to admit, I have no idea why you constantly say things like this. In every discussion I've seen you take part in, you make constant illusions to "winning" as if things were some sort of contest. Perhaps it's because of that ridiculous mentality that you are forced to continue making your utterly ludicrious assertions, given if you ever simply admitted your ridiculous conspiracy theories were less than factual you'd take a crushing blow to your self-esteem. Perhaps it's also because of that that you're faced with such casual contempt from those who discuss with you.
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| For someone who likes to pretend he's some sort of psychoanalyst genius on here, dissecting everyone's characters, you sure are easy to read. |
I am very easy to read, because I've got nothing to hide. I'm a simple, easy to understand, emotionally stable person. No one should have any trouble reading me or understanding me. The fact that you'd mention this as if it were some sort of attack says more about you than me.
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| And since you brought it up, I've noticed more people waking up to the libertarian side of things recently ... |
No you haven't. Vague statements like this are just more Fox News style nonsense. "One million people marched on Washington today, the tide in this nation is turning, blah blah blah." Stupid psychological ploys from infantile minds that only work on uneducated rabble.
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| You're not. Nobody gives a damn what you think. |
When the average person is angrily ranting about how the Rockefellers control our society, you can start talking about what is or isn't mainstream. Until then, I really have no idea who you think you're fooling.
All that said, I have to admit I had forgotten my resolution to avoid discussing things with you. When you responded to my post to another person, I fell into your angry inanity trap a bit too easily. Now that these forums are being moderated more heavily, I'm not willing to risk getting banned over quibbling with you. Whine to yourself, I've made my points sufficiently well, and if I keep going, it's only a matter of time before the mods will step in.
I apologize to the rest of the forum; this wasn't a salient or constructive discussion. It won't happen again. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you for the suggestion mises, I think it's a good one. I have a hard time exercising self-control when people direct posts at me; this will solve that nicely. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| I apologize to the rest of the forum; this wasn't a salient or constructive discussion. It won't happen again. |
No need to apologize. Do what you want. Mondo Pita works for me but if you wanna go around and around go nuts. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Glenn Beck considers Ron Paul to be a "nut", supports the patriot act, and supports government bailouts of the banks. |
Congratulations on finding a scant few things you disagree with Glenn Beck about. Newsflash: I disagree with Glenn Beck on all those things too, so they're totally irrelevent in any sort of play-by-play comparison. Of course, you probably didn't know I disagreed with those things, because you don't actually think about what your opponents say. |
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| even I oppose the Federal Reserve, I've expressed reticence regarding certain anti-global warming iniatives, and I've said I feel the health care plans being currently proposed are more like insurance industry bail-outs that real reform, and I have almost nothing in common with you despite that. |
I don't get the last part of this statement. It seems to me that you guys have a significant amount in common, but due to a personality clash, it is difficult for you to discuss differences civilly. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:04 am Post subject: |
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| Lol, do you actually think others on here view you as you view yourself? |
Yes. Ever notice the group I most often argue with? It's made up almost entirely of the ultra-Libertarian lunatic corps you're so proud of being a part of. I'm sorry you can't bring yourself to accept that, but it doesn't particularly bother me either. It's just one more way you're out of touch with reailty. |
Newsflash, nobody else labels us "extremists" except you. But it doesn't bother us, since you are obviously insane.
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| That said, people like you may be rare, but they're loud. |
Oh really? Do you turn up the volume on your speakers when you read my posts? |
I don't know if you're just being obtuse here or what. |
Nope, just pointing out your BS, as usual.
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| Insofar as it changes your statement from an expression of opinion to an outright lie, I wouldn't say it's better, no. |
The truth hurts, I know. But I don't expect someone like yourself to ever come to terms.
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| No, it goes well beyond that. Things like opposing the Fed, or even opposing "Obama health care", or even feeling like particular anti-global warming initatives are within the realm of reason. Hell, even I oppose the Federal Reserve, I've expressed reticence regarding certain anti-global warming iniatives, and I've said I feel the health care plans being currently proposed are more like insurance industry bail-outs that real reform, and I have almost nothing in common with you despite that. |
You just cherry-pick. Basically you are a pro-government extremist who has admitted on here that you have no problem whatsoever infringing on peoples' freedoms or with dismantling the constitution. You are far more extreme than I am.
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| It's not things like that that make you an extremist. It's things like saying income tax isn't constitutional despite being in the Constitution, or conspiracy theories about the Rockefellers, or so forth that define people like you, and it's things like that that ensure the common man will never be in your crazy little group. The majority will never be like you or support you, and I'm thankful for it. |
The things I post aren't theories - they're facts. The Trilateral Commission, the CFR, the Bilderberg Group all being controlled by the Rockefellers and banking elite are not theories. You are the extremist - who goes along with the extremists who are destroying our country. You are basically a traitor who hides behind ideas of the status quo.
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| Not your own category, just a much smaller category than you wish were the case. Go ahead and name the 10 posters you feel should be classed with you. I wonder how happy they'd be to hear it. |
No, I won't speak directly for others (nice bait attempt though). You already know the people I'm referring to.
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| I have to admit, I have no idea why you constantly say things like this. In every discussion I've seen you take part in, you make constant illusions to "winning" as if things were some sort of contest. |
No, I never do this. Nice try.
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| Perhaps it's because of that ridiculous mentality that you are forced to continue making your utterly ludicrious assertions, given if you ever simply admitted your ridiculous conspiracy theories were less than factual you'd take a crushing blow to your self-esteem. Perhaps it's also because of that that you're faced with such casual contempt from those who discuss with you. |
There you go with your quack psychoanalysis again. Stick a sock in it already. You aren't clever, perceptive, or grounded in reality whatsoever (I really don't know who you think you're fooling). Nobody on here cares what you say - nor do I see anyone jumping in to have your back. You are alone - wasting your time trying in vain to psychoanalyse yours truly, even though I consider you to be a complete laughable fool, and an utter joke. The only reason I respond is that I get a kick out of seeing you take yourself so seriously.
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I am very easy to read, because I've got nothing to hide. I'm a simple, easy to understand, emotionally stable person. No one should have any trouble reading me or understanding me. The fact that you'd mention this as if it were some sort of attack says more about you than me.
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You are trying waaay to hard. If you were so calm and elevated above me, then you'd have risen above long ago and not engaged in these side show debates. I'm just mocking you the whole way through (I don't take you seriously at all, because I've seen what a disingenuous spin-doctor you are through and through). You actually do take it seriously though. Therefore the joke's on you, I'm afraid...
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| No you haven't. Vague statements like this are just more Fox News style nonsense. "One million people marched on Washington today, the tide in this nation is turning, blah blah blah." Stupid psychological ploys from infantile minds that only work on uneducated rabble. |
This from the guy who thinks he actually represents the "mainstream", using the notion as some sort of crutch to prop himself up against time and again.
And then you go on to call us uneducated rabble - pretending you're elevated above us. Hilarious.
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| When the average person is angrily ranting about how the Rockefellers control our society, you can start talking about what is or isn't mainstream. Until then, I really have no idea who you think you're fooling. |
Lol, you refer to the "average person" as "uneducated rabble" - and yet consistently claim to speak for them? That's rich.
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| All that said, I have to admit I had forgotten my resolution to avoid discussing things with you. When you responded to my post to another person, I fell into your angry inanity trap a bit too easily. Now that these forums are being moderated more heavily, I'm not willing to risk getting banned over quibbling with you. Whine to yourself, I've made my points sufficiently well, and if I keep going, it's only a matter of time before the mods will step in. |
Huh? I responded to your post to another person? What kind of an excuse is that supposed to be? It was you who butted in with your smart-ass comment (directed at me), completely out of the blue, sticking your nose into my business. Go back and read it, and quit making excuses for yourself. The mods aren't on your side. Nobody is on your side. You're not special, and nobody holds your opinion above anyone else's. Get over yourself already. If you wanna pretend to be a shrink, go somewhere else and find some "uneducated rabble" to do it with.
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| I apologize to the rest of the forum; this wasn't a salient or constructive discussion. It won't happen again. |
It never is a salient or worthwhile discussion with you. Because you aren't a salient or worthwhile person to discuss anything with. Anyway, kudos on your fake apology - good luck resisting the urge to butt in with your smart-ass comments in the future (talk is cheap). |
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