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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Fox wrote: |
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And it would seem we have our next lame internet cliche from Crescent: the angry PM. Don't private message your whiny nonsense to me. I didn't read it, and I won't read it. If you've got something to say, say it in the public eye. I'm not going to have a private discussion with you about anything, ever. You've been far too insulting, annoying, juvenille, and ridiculous for that.
Keep it in this thread or shut up. |
WTF..You read it and replied! |
No, I didn't read it, and replied to you that I didn't read it, and told you not to send another ever again.
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| You don't seem to get what being a hypocrite means, hmm? |
You don't understand the definition of hypocrite. |
Yes, i believe you. You shut your eyes before hitting that reply button.  Puppy's getting all worked up...hmm? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
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And it would seem we have our next lame internet cliche from Crescent: the angry PM. Don't private message your whiny nonsense to me. I didn't read it, and I won't read it. If you've got something to say, say it in the public eye. I'm not going to have a private discussion with you about anything, ever. You've been far too insulting, annoying, juvenille, and ridiculous for that.
Keep it in this thread or shut up. |
WTF..You read it and replied! |
No, I didn't read it, and replied to you that I didn't read it, and told you not to send another ever again.
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| You don't seem to get what being a hypocrite means, hmm? |
You don't understand the definition of hypocrite. |
Yes, i believe you. You shut your eyes before hitting that reply button. Puppy's getting all worked up...hmm? |
I didn't need to shut my eyes, Crescent. I saw a private message from you, decided it could contain nothing but whiny filth, and then opened it and hit reply immediately. Simple as that. Hope you didn't waste too much time on it, but in case you did, well, lesson learned.
Your "otherwise unemployable, divorced, victim of abuse mother who can only work as a waiter," argument is still under attack from multiple people in this discussion. Although given how ludicrious the argument is I can understand why you'd like to continue trying to distract from it, I'm going to go ahead and keep bringing it up until you abandon it, successfully defend it, or stop babbling. There still is a discussion underway here, as much as you'd like to try to disrupt it. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| To reset the topic- What are people's thoughts on the per item service charge? |
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aboxofchocolates
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
Location: on your mind
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| To reset the topic- What are people's thoughts on the per item service charge? |
It makes sense. You are not just buying food or paying for the wages of the cook who gives it to you. you are also paying for the servers to bring it to you. I don't think it is a tip. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| To reset the topic- What are people's thoughts on the per item service charge? |
I'd be fine with it, but I don't really consider it fundamentally different than simply raising the prices. The only real difference is that under your system, you're told exactly what portion of the price goes to the waiter. It would definitely be an improvement on the current situation, and I wouldn't complain. If they tell you exactly what the cost is in advance, and you're legally obligated to pay that cost if you eat the meal, you've got a choice that you can take or leave. |
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NovaKart
Joined: 18 Nov 2009
Location: Iraq
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| This reminds me of curb your enthusiasm. Tipping is often a subject on that show. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I think servers and customers should be happy with the per item charge. The amounts should work out to about the same- yes servers won't get big nights (although some people may still leave an extra tip), but they won't get any bad nights either (unless its dead). Customers will have an easier time calculating everything. I also think its fair- the more you order and have to have brought out to you, the more the service charge. Those of us who just get our breakfast plate, no coffee can pay a lower rate because we aren't demanding attention. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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Real hourly income for the average waiter/waitress at a standard restaurant is $8-15, including tips. Their wage per hour is $2.35 |
Where? |
I'm still waiting on this Steel. You've made a claim, and I know it is false where I come from... so, is that what they pay where you are from?
Also, you claimed that Korean restaurant workers work hard without a tip because they will get beaten otherwise.
Have you ever worked in a korean restaurant? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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Michigan (and many other states). Waiters and Waitresses get paid 2.35 an hour. With tips the real income comes to anywhere from $8-15 an hour.
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Also, you claimed that Korean restaurant workers work hard without a tip because they will get beaten otherwise.
Have you ever worked in a korean restaurant? |
Worked for a Korean owner at a pizza place back home. We'd talk with him and one of the differences he mentioned was how back home if you were a real bonehead you'd get smacked upside the head. Also if you were blatantly disrespectful to your boss or messed things up with a big customer he might kick your butt.
Or you're working for mom and dad and then dad smacks you around. or mom.
Come on, I'm as apologist as the next guy, but there are certain places where its like the U.S.- you get yelled at and fired. And there are places where if you mess up you get...hazed. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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I'm Alberta, the serving staff get paid double what you mentioned - if not much more.
So, does that make it ok for someone not to tip in places where the gov actually enforces minimum wage?
As well, one off handed story about a guy reminiscing about Korea, does not an industry make. Your assertion about the industry being abusive based on the memories of an overseas Korean, seems pretty weak. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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Weak yes. I'll let the point go. I think my other point about the work ethic coming from the restaurants being family-owned IS more apt.
Actually $2.35 is the govt. enforced minimum wage. There is a separate scale for tipped employees. In theory the the boss is supposed to make up the difference if you fail to make it to $7.75 (or whatever it is these days) This does not always happen.
The guideline for tipping is if its a social custom. If its customary to tip, then you should, unless service was bad, or you're broke and it was an emergency (like a cab ride).
If you don't want to tip you can carry your own bags, walk, and cook your own food. Or you can not tip and deal with the rudeness that may or may not follow.
I don't see the need for the anger at tipping. It's 5 bucks. If that gets someone all wound up, then well stay home and save the 25 bucks you spent on going out. Or set a dollar figure ahead of time of what you're willing to spend and eat out accordingly. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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Weak yes. I'll let the point go. I think my other point about the work ethic coming from the restaurants being family-owned IS more apt.
Actually $2.35 is the govt. enforced minimum wage. There is a separate scale for tipped employees. In theory the the boss is supposed to make up the difference if you fail to make it to $7.75 (or whatever it is these days) This does not always happen. |
Really, because of this law, one cannot even truly argue that waiters make less than minimum wage. Any waiter that does, does so because his boss is breaking the law.
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| I don't see the need for the anger at tipping. It's 5 bucks. If that gets someone all wound up, then well stay home and save the 25 bucks you spent on going out. Or set a dollar figure ahead of time of what you're willing to spend and eat out accordingly. |
For anyone who is against tipping, I don't think it's about the $5. I don't think there's much anger on that side of the discussion either: it's the pro-tipping advocates (other than yourself) who sound angry to me. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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I've seen the employees at a Korean pizza place getting beaten by their boss. After work one day a few of us decided to go for a wheel and as we were eating the boss came in and caught the guys goofing off. Man did he lay into them. He didn't care we were in the restaurant, he beat them all good.
About per item tipping, not a fan. Tipping is still tipping. I would rather they just raise the price of the food.
But as I said, I don't eat out much as I don't find value in it. I think I eat out in Korea more because of the cheap "fast food" style meals that you can get for around 5000 won. |
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