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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
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| CC: It isn't just clubbing. For many of us, those are the nights that we have the time to do anything, let alone the lack of work in the morning. You seem to think that it's all drinking and partying. I do neither, but like to go out to meet friends who live from all over for any number of things, or have a nice dinner that isn't Korean food with my fiance. I'd be happy to pay 5,000 won to take an hourly train back to Incheon. I might not like having to wait 59 minutes if I missed it, but then I'd still have the option of choosing between spending 40,000 for a taxi or waiting. |
Lack of work in the morning, eh? You figure you're representative of Koreans at large? |
Sunday morning? You'd better believe it. Saturday morning? A good proportion have that time off too. My coteachers and I were discussing this last week. They said that, more often than not, Koreans have Saturdays off (they wanted to be part of that demographic!) |
Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you were suggesting all mornings.
Again though, where is the demand? Have you talked to many Koreans on this issue? Have so many of them expressed a strong desire for 24 hour subway service that you are shocked by it not being in place?
In my experience, most of the people around me couldn't give a toss about this issue. And when asked, if they provide more than a shrug, they'll say that they don't think the expense would be worth it.
If people choose to go out to distant places late at night, I don't think it's unreasonable to think they may not be able to use public transportation to get back. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:57 am Post subject: |
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so increase the subway fares 50% - taxi fares keep increasing. Expand the subway service and increase the cost. I'm kind of confused as to why people are so concerned with civic finances on this issue.
NYC has night transportation. SF does it. These cities are, so far as I know, not the worst off cities in the states. Why not Seoul? |
Hi, can you tell me where I can find a money tree? |
I guess they grow in NY and SF, but not in Seoul. Maybe it's a cultural thing. 
If you can afford taxi price hikes, you can afford a hike in the very low subway fares. Those are the real reason the subway system is taking a loss. If it is...people keep throwing numbers around without sources. |
http://www.google.co.kr/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpolicy.rutgers.edu%2Ffaculty%2Fpucher%2FPTI_English.pdf&ei=EOmsTc3VBo6IuAOyqe3VCg&usg=AFQjCNEaue6HAu-drIDF6F3l9SUv45U-wA&sig2=yP99qboEP8vMuQASa9uHbg
Again, I repeat. 600 Million USD net operating loss a year. Net operating loss means just from operating costs. Doesn't include capital expenditures.
Finally comparing subway systems and governments is like comparing apples and oranges. If all you can offer up is "if it exists in NY, it should exist here" then we immediately realize why some people become leaders and CEOs and why others don't. |
According the paper you linked to, the solution is to raise taxes on private car owners through higher gas taxes, parking fees, congestion tolls, and higher licensing fees. Right there in black and white.
Funny stuff about how crummy the bus system used to be. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:23 am Post subject: |
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Seoul to Incheon is hardly distant. It's a 35 minute train ride!
As for asking Koreans, my coteachers and friends seem to think it's a good idea. Some are married, some not. None of them are party monsters. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:22 am Post subject: |
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| Did you ask them why this issue has no traction? |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| I did. They didn't have an answer. You surely agree that a 35-minute train ride is hardly long distance, though, yes? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| I did. They didn't have an answer. You surely agree that a 35-minute train ride is hardly long distance, though, yes? |
That's about the distance I now live out of Seoul. Personally, I think it's long... but that all depends on what vids I have on my iPad.
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The OP asked a question - and I think I and others have done a fine job of giving an answer. People may not like/agree with the answer, but there it is. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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I suppose it's relative. I always have a book to read or some music to listen to. I've had much longer commutes for a M-F job, so, to me at least, it's not very long a trip.
Anyway, here's hoping the Seoul truly does become a 24-hour culture! |
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nick70100
Joined: 09 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:59 am Post subject: |
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Saw this in the news today....
http://news.mk.co.kr/newsRead.php?year=2013&no=63558
Overnight bus service is coming to Seoul.
8 routes will operate from the time the subway closes until 5 am.
The first two routes will begin running in May. The other six will start in July.
The first two routes will be
Gangseo-Hongdae-Sinchon-Jongno-Cheongyangni-Manguro-Jungang
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Jingwan-Dongnimmun-Jongno-Hannam Bridge-Gangnam-Songpa
Other 6 routes not announced yet.
Price will be the same as normal bus routes.
Not 24 hour subway, but it's something. |
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motiontodismiss
Joined: 18 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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Seoul Metro is a public corporation, meaning it's run by the government, meaning it's at least partially funded by taxes. It probably operates at a loss, although I haven't been able to find statistics on this. Its purpose is to provide transportation, not generate a profit.
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It does operate at a loss, to the tune of $100 million a quarter. A large part of that loss is not the lack of ridership but free ridership. Senior citizens riding for free accounts for like 60% of those losses evidently. |
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tanklor1
Joined: 13 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Ahhh...this thread reminds me of spending 4:00 am at Nescafe coffee in Itaewon waiting for the train to open. Good times. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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This is the time that they do maintenance on the tracks. You may have also noted the barriers being installed on platforms. This is also done during these hours. Advertising sign changes etc. is all done outside of hours.
The London tube is the same as well, Paris Metro as well. Not sure about NYC though. |
Paris is not open 24 hours, but it is open longer on the weekend, I believe.
It's open until 2:15 a.m. on Fridays and Saturdays. The taxi drivers would object to having the subway operating longer. However, it would reduce the number of drunks on the street. That said, people would be less likely to take taxis if the subways are not working. |
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joesp
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:09 am Post subject: |
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Paris is not open 24 hours, but it is open longer on the weekend, I believe.
It's open until 2:15 a.m. on Fridays and Saturdays. The taxi drivers would object to having the subway operating longer. |
Funny. There are absolutely no taxis in Paris at night per my memory. Unless you want to wait like 45 minutes. And Paris doesn't have 24 hour markets like Dongdaemun and so many late-night drunks to take home, either. |
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createasaurus21
Joined: 22 Feb 2009
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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| the hours of 1am to 5am are prime barfing hours |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:09 am Post subject: |
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| nick70100 wrote: |
Saw this in the news today....
http://news.mk.co.kr/newsRead.php?year=2013&no=63558
Overnight bus service is coming to Seoul.
8 routes will operate from the time the subway closes until 5 am.
The first two routes will begin running in May. The other six will start in July.
The first two routes will be
Gangseo-Hongdae-Sinchon-Jongno-Cheongyangni-Manguro-Jungang
and
Jingwan-Dongnimmun-Jongno-Hannam Bridge-Gangnam-Songpa
Other 6 routes not announced yet.
Price will be the same as normal bus routes.
Not 24 hour subway, but it's something. |
Thanks for the heads up. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| I did. They didn't have an answer. You surely agree that a 35-minute train ride is hardly long distance, though, yes? |
That's about the distance I now live out of Seoul. Personally, I think it's long... but that all depends on what vids I have on my iPad.
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The OP asked a question - and I think I and others have done a fine job of giving an answer. People may not like/agree with the answer, but there it is. |
I live just outside of Seoul and regularly take an hour or so to get into the city. No problem for me. |
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