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jfromtheway

Joined: 20 Nov 2010

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:40 am Post subject:

madoka wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Except that the facts don't bear you out.

Hey when did Julius ever let something as trivial as reality get in the way of his axe-grinding? Laughing

Hey when did Madoka ever let something as trivial as a pseudo-reality, apologist agenda, get in the way of his axe-grinding?

atwood

Joined: 26 Dec 2009

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:11 pm Post subject:

Steelrails wrote:

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i can't beleive there are foreigners who have lived in korea for many years who are such apologists that they even refuse to admit that there are many koreans who believe that kimchi has qualities that act as a preventative toward getting aids.

First off, your links are put up by the US media, which if you ever pay attention to, loves to take an isolated incident or view of "strange, exotic" other countries and turn them into major trends which everyone in that country practice.

And again, if what you're saying is true, then how come health clinics and sex ed places don't hand out jars of kimchi to prevent AIDs? Why in "My Sassy Girl" does the dude not accidentally drop out a bag of kimchi and tell the dad he has it in his pocket to prevent AIDs?

Do you seriously believe that if some hooker told a Korean that they had AIDs, they'd just eat a dish of kimchi and hop into the sack for some nice, unprotected sex?

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BTW, i never thought i was writing for an audience of korean lawmakers who after reading my crazy rants were going to see the light and repeal recent legislation. i likened it more to sitting around having some beers with coworkers,

I'll agree with this, you have a take, aren't taking yourself too seriously, and always put in a disclaimer understanding that a lot of silliness like this goes on in other places.

It is like a fun BS conversation at a bar...

At which you certainly would never take a backseat. Your comment about U.S. journalists is evidence of that.

Anyone denying that Koreans think of kimchi as a miracle food needs to wake up. They spend millions of dollars doing medical research on kimchi to prove how healthy it is and their "results" are then heavily reported n the media.

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:19 pm Post subject:

atwood wrote:

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Anyone denying that Koreans think of kimchi as a miracle food needs to wake up. They spend millions of dollars doing medical research on kimchi to prove how healthy it is and their "results" are then heavily reported n the media.

Link?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimchi
(Yeah it's wiki but it's cross-referenced and the links are provided at the bottom.)

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One study conducted by Seoul National University claimed that chickens infected with the H5N1 virus, also called avian flu, recovered after eating food containing the same bacteria found in kimchi. During the 2003 SARS outbreak in Asia, many people even believed that kimchi could protect against infection, although there was no scientific evidence to support this belief.[19][20] However, in May 2009, the Korea Food Research Institute, Korea�s state food research organization, said they had conducted a larger study on 200 chickens, which supported the theory that it boosts chickens' immunity to the virus.[21]

Additionally, a 2005 study in South Korea found that when eaten in large quantities, kimchi increases the risk of gastric cancer, particularly among people with certain genetic traits.[22]

So we have two studies that say it MAY boost CHICKENS' immunity (not people) and we have another study FROM SOUTH KOREA saying that it increases the risk of gastric cancer in people.

Yeah that sure sounds like reporting how healthy kimchi is. Rolling Eyes

Speaking of which wasn't it an AMERICAN magazine (Health) which listed kimchi as one of the top five healthiest foods?

atwood

Joined: 26 Dec 2009

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:57 pm Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

atwood wrote:

Link?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimchi
(Yeah it's wiki but it's cross-referenced and the links are provided at the bottom.)

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Speaking of which wasn't it an AMERICAN magazine (Health) which listed kimchi as one of the top five healthiest foods?

You need to look further.

Since you've yet to answer my questions on other threads regarding iffy information you posted, I'll forego ansering your request in the same spirit.

comm

Joined: 22 Jun 2010

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:58 pm Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

I wonder which of those studies made it into the national media and Korean consciousness? If you walk down the street asking random Koreans if kimchi increases the risk of cancer, how many will say "yes"? If you ask them if kimchi boosts immunity to Avian Flu, SARS, etc. how many will say "no"?

South Korea's media isn't any worse than those of other developed countries (in before apologists), but denying the problem doesn't make it go away.

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:06 pm Post subject:

atwood wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

atwood wrote:

Link?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimchi
(Yeah it's wiki but it's cross-referenced and the links are provided at the bottom.)

Quote:

Speaking of which wasn't it an AMERICAN magazine (Health) which listed kimchi as one of the top five healthiest foods?

You need to look further.

Since you've yet to answer my questions on other threads regarding iffy information you posted, I'll forego ansering your request in the same spirit.

Link? Or are you making more stuff up?

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:09 pm Post subject:

comm wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Most Koreans of my acquaintance say "I don't know".

I suppose you've taken a poll of the general populace?

slothrop

Joined: 03 Feb 2003

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:41 pm Post subject:

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TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:55 pm Post subject:

slothrop wrote:

main link to kimchi research institute in pusan
http://environment.ox.or.kr/english/3000/3000.asp

this link is washington post,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/19/AR2010011900887.html

but i found it through Arirangtv website...
http://arirangkimchee.com/archives/category/about

My kimchi habit will no doubt be a great relief to the government of South Korea, which has made spreading the word about the country's national dish an official policy. The Korea Food Research Institute has a traditional-foods division charged with the "scientific research of Korean fermented foods such as sauces, alcohols, and kimchi for their globalization," according to its Web site.

At first, such a policy might seem odd; Americans have a fierce love affair with hamburgers, but I'm unaware of any government program to evangelize them. We've left that job to McDonald's. But in Korea, kimchi is a national obsession. Seoul has a kimchi museum with a vast collection of cookbooks, cooking utensils and storage jars. Families around the country own special refrigerators designed to maintain the optimal temperature for the stinky vegetables' fermentation and preservation. Perhaps the most famous example of the nation's kimchi fever is that South Korean scientists spent years developing a recipe for a bacteria-free "space kimchi" to accompany their first citizen's visit to the international space station.

Urban Myth, if all of your korean friends and coworkers claim to "not know" then either they have traded in their confucian conceptual framework for a socratic one, where by in KNOWING that they do not know have raised themselves to the smartest people of athens, or else for some reason unbeknownst to me, fear that if they do not supply the answer you are looking for will themselves become the victim of an ad hominem attack.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

perhaps you can take advantage of this phenomenon by using them as a sort of reverse oracle.

While I appreciate the link...it wasn't what I asked for.

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They spend millions of dollars doing medical research on kimchi to prove how healthy it is and their "results" are then heavily reported n the media.

I see nothing about how many millions of dollars have been spent, I see nothing about how healthy it has been proven, and this is an American magazine not a Korean one.

Furthermore I said "MOST" of my Korean acquaintances not "ALL". I'm fairly sure that neither of those words is a synonym for the other.

slothrop

Joined: 03 Feb 2003

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:00 pm Post subject:

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TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:07 pm Post subject:

slothrop wrote:

how much do you think it costs to open a research institute? 10 bucks?

sorry i can't provide all the links in hangul, i'm a self professed idiot who still can't read or speak it well at all. Embarassed

Depends on how state-of-the-art it is. But this was opened years ago...we are talking about the costs associated with the medical research done there.

As for the "rest of the world's FDA's" sure sure. There is no world wide consensus on this (or most other issues). Just as there is no link to it as well.

slothrop

Joined: 03 Feb 2003

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:27 pm Post subject:

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The Sultan of Seoul

Joined: 17 Apr 2012
Location: right... behind.. YOU

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:40 pm Post subject:

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having some beers with coworkers, some of which, unfortunately, couldn't even have a laugh over the insanity they have found themselves subjected to, because they were unable to objectively percieve the reality of their current situation, so instead they respond with hostility as if they have somehow been offended, not by the circumstances themselves, but by the mere mentioning of it, disallowing them to remain in their blissful state of denial.

That cuts pretty close to the bone! Ouch!

Slothrop and myth -

The koreans don't REALLY believe that kichi cures or prevents aids etc.

What I'm sure myth at least understands (seems he's been here a long time and knows a lot of koreans personally) is that they rather, ENJOY telling each other that that is the case and PRETENDING to believe it as part of their group bonding act and making themselves feel good about their country which they seem so needful of. Saying it to a foriegner also helps with the old face making... Same as when they'll all sit down to a meal which they all know is mundane such as maybe that burned rice in water dish and one will say it's massisoyo and everyone will cluckingly agree fervently with the assertion to boost the feeling of group unity (Jjeong / noonchi or whatever.)

It's all part and parcel of the Korean group unity (uri nara) dynamic.

Not bashing it, just pointing out how I see it.

Sure plenty of Americans in Korea sit round talking about us number one and brits yank bashing along with canadians and Saffers how great their country is and how strong the men are etc...

And before rails gets in with (seen this alot recently) 'Koreans love tearing their country down as much as anyone' - Not really. They will tear down institutions or the current govt, but NOT EVER the nation or idea of it.

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slothrop

Joined: 03 Feb 2003

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:49 pm Post subject:

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atwood

Joined: 26 Dec 2009

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:58 pm Post subject:

comm wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Yes it is.

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