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Do you believe ?
Yes, quite possible
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 63%  [ 46 ]
No, ha ha ha, that's just absurd ...
11%
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I'll believe it when i see it
25%
 25%  [ 18 ]
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newton kabiddles



Joined: 31 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:28 am    Post subject: Re: The UFO & ET Thread ... Reply with quote

igotthisguitar wrote:
Do ETs stand to threaten or help humanity?
How long have they been visiting us, residing on, or for that matter inside the earth?


I think light is an E.T. and it's been around a very long time. It's extremely powerful and helpful and we should be careful. I believe matter and space are also E.T.s, and I believe there are millions of other E.T.s that we can't sense. There are probably millions of creatures that resemble humans as well. It's possible the earth was created by a higher being, it's life forms are random but similar to life forms in other places.
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confused and upset



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I voted "I'll believe it when I see it."
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Rteacher



Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA

PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you guess which posters here have hybrid reptilian-human DNA that allows them to "shape-shift" when they consume human blood? Shocked
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

Here's evidence presented by Lloyd Pye indicating that the "Starchild" skull is not the result of any known deformities that have been suggested (although he remains open to the possibility that it may be explainable by some other type of affliction...)
http://www.starchildproject.com/

There seems to be a lot of disagreement among so-called UFOlogists over Roswell and many other sightings and alleged alien encounters, etc. It's apparent that the field is rife with people with questionable motives and varying degrees of seriousness (and mental competence...)

But it's also apparent that there has been some degree of governmental cover-up. Probably, much of that is due to protecting secret military operations.

However, I think that it is possible that recovery of crashed UFOs and even (dead or alive) aliens have also been covered up, and top-level intelligence agencies have spread disinformation to increase confusion and division among serious UFOlogists.

Here's another site that's at least provocatively entertaining:http://www.illuminati-news.com/ufos-and-aliens/html/gov_involvement.htm

Of course, it may be completely false, but if some of it is even partially true it would be pretty amazing ...
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher wrote:
Here's evidence presented by Lloyd Pye indicating that the "Starchild" skull is not the result of any known deformities that have been suggested (although he remains open to the possibility that it may be explainable by some other type of affliction...)
http://www.starchildproject.com/


Untreated hydrocephalic skull. How often are you going to repost this claim without dealing with the extant evidence it's not a human/ET hybrid.

http://www.theness.com/articles.asp?id=37

Can you just shut up regarding this unless you bring forward real DNA evidence?
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think there's much hope that you'll ever shut up (until you fall back into the evolutionary cycle of lower animal species - which is where I think most meat-eating atheists are headed, to be slaughtered themselves next life ...)

The "open-minded" doctor that you cite - a founding member of the New England Skeptical Society - claims that Pye doesn't provide any detailed analysis of "congenital hydrocephalus" and explain why it wouldn't sufficiently account for the condition of the "Starchild" skull.

He also makes the usual boilerplate "logical fallacy" charges which are always invoked to discredit anything that deviates from a purely materialistic worldview.

I think that Pye does give due consideration to that particular cause, and (contrary to the skeptic's assertion) he does name at least two physicians (of those who examined the skull) who concur with his ruling it out.

Logically, further (state-of-the-art) DNA testing is required to either prove or disprove his extraterrestial thesis and, reportedly, that is being arranged (at considerable expense...)



Hydrocephaly (also called Hydrocephalus [1]) is a condition where abnormal accumulation of cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) in the cranium causes an increase in CSF pressure [2]. This fluid accumulation can occur at any time in life, and has various potential causes including congenital defect, hemorrhage into the brain, infection, meningitis, tumor, or head injury [3]. The CSF can collect inside the tissues of the brain, externally, between the brain and the cranial wall, or both [4]. In infants and children with unfused cranial sutures, the increased internal cranial pressure from hydrocephaly causes the skull to enlarge by forcing the sutures to expand in all directions [5][6] (as shown right). In adults, suture fusion means there is no cranial expansion, thus the pressure is exerted fully on the brain[7].

In addition to standard hydrocephaly, there are two classifications of hydrocephaly that do not result in abnormal CSF pressure: "Hydrocephalus ex vacuo," which occurs as the result of damage to the brain [8], and Normal pressure hydrocephalus, which can occur due to a gradual blockage of the CSF drainage pathways in the brain [9].

Various experts have suggested that the Starchild was hydrocephalic as an infant, causing the abnormal parietal expansion and cranial shape now evident in the skull. However, cranial expansion caused by hydrocephalus results in a widening of the cranial sutures [10] (as shown above), and there is no evidence of this in the Starchild skull. It was examined by respected craniofacial surgeon Dr. Ted Robinson in consultation with ten other specialists [a], who could find no evidence of widening or other abnormality of the cranial sutures [11]. Dr. Bachynsky found no signs of erosion by CSF on the internal surfaces of the skull, and supported Dr. Robinson in his conclusion that the Starchild was not hydrocephalic
[12].



X-Rays of Starchild (left) and hydrocephalic patient (right). Note visible the imprints of veins on the Starchild but not in the hydrocephalic. In cases where there is CSF between the cranium and brain, no imprints are visible. Also note the the Hydrocephalic's cranium has been expanded by pressure in all directions like a balloon, as opposed to the Starchild, where only the parietals are expanded.
www.starchildproject.com/

I think that it's not unusual for expert physicians to differ on dianoses, and sometimes there is material motivation to do so - lawyers frequently rely on (paid-off) medical experts to testify in support of their clients...

I don't think the final verdict is in yet in the "Starchild" case, and I see no reason not to discuss it's current status...
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher wrote:
The "open-minded" doctor that you cite - a founding member of the New England Skeptical Society - claims that Pye doesn't provide any detailed analysis of "congenital hydrocephalus" and explain why it wouldn't sufficiently account for the condition of the "Starchild" skull.


That doctor is a Yale neurologist. I would think he can quickly recognize the skull for what it is.

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He also makes the usual boilerplate "logical fallacy" charges which are always invoked to discredit anything that deviates from a purely materialistic worldview.


Yeah yeah. But 2+2 could equal 5 and I reject your boiler plate charge of logical fallacy! Logic stands in of itself.

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Logically, further (state-of-the-art) DNA testing is required to either prove or disprove his extraterrestial thesis and, reportedly, that is being arranged (at considerable expense...)


MtDNA shows the child had a human mother. It also has a Y chromosome. That comes from a human father. You do realize all babies have exactly two parents, right?

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Note visible the imprints of veins on the Starchild but not in the hydrocephalic.


Yeah, now why would we seen veins in an xray of a living human skull and not in a 900 year old dead skull? Hrm.

Your information about hydrocephaly and the skull is here:

http://www.starchildproject.com/Research_Hydro.html

That's all nice 'n' all but who pray tell is the author "Amy Vickers" and why is her interpretation authoritative vs, say, a Yale neurologist?
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Rteacher



Joined: 23 May 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She's Mrs. Vickers' smart daughter, Amy...

I think that G.W. demonstrated how incompetent some Yale grads can be ...

I'm not asserting that the Yale doc is necessarily wrong here - it's possible that Pye - who admits that prmaturely naming the skull "Starchild" was a mistake - is overanxious and prone to indulge in some wishful thinking...

However, I don't think it's over till the more conclusive tests are in ...
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