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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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| glasshalffull wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
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| Incidently, this is basically the biggest problem people have with Canadians in general in Korea (and I think I should specify this seems to be Ontario-specific). We're all in Korea, but every single time, every single conversation goes back to Canada. It's tedious and mind-numbing much like having a conversation with a hardcore bible thumper. |
Yeah, but in Canada, we don't have this problem.
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Heh heh. Good one!
Oh man, that's another cringer...the words 'in Canada'...stuck on so many Ontario-ites tounge.
I should be thankful in Michigan, we are fortunately sepated by an international state line, and don't have to listen to Ontario's egocentricness if we don't want to. But you guys from Quebec, stuck with the nonsense! Oh man.
Just an extra thought...I've heard mindnumbingly long and dull lists upon lists of famous anglo Canadians in the U.S., but they never mention the greatest Quebecer of origin of all time (even if he himself was born in Massachussets) ---> Jack Kerouac! |
There I'd have to agree with you. People who get super proud of Canadian celebs changing their citizenship to Hollywood but who think that Radio Canada is only a radio station are pretty embarrassing to listen to sometimes. |
canada sucks. |
Have to agree. Except for Moosejaw. I liked that town. |
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mountainous
Joined: 04 Sep 2007
Location: Los Angeles
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| Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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Is failing to read my LA Times a sign of intellectual cowardness (I watched some football this week.)  |
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DC in Suwon
Joined: 14 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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Just reading and replying to this thread makes me excited to go to Korea and get the heck out of U.S. and Florida.
(Florida is a bible thumping, police state where northerners come to die.)
Can't wait for Suwon and the majority of non-christian Koreans!!!!!!  |
Errrr...there are already way too many Christians in Korea. They'll try to prosletize you here too...try to get them to tell you about their Buddhism, and you'll be looking at blank faces.
Thanks for the heads-up on Florida...I saw you are from Clearwater, FL on the other thread. Home and headquarters of the Scientologists.
Tampa has always been 'grey area' for me...not sure if its conservative South or somewhat influenced by its midwesterners/northeasterner population. On the other hand, probably is just the old northerners, as you say. I might have to cross that off of my potentiality list  |
Tampa is definitely a great place to visit. We have some of the greatest beaches in the country. I actually live in Dunedin (but most people know of Clearwater) which is the city north of Clearwater and had the top rated beach last year (Caladesi Island). Living here is another story. I had a great childhood growing up here, but once I realized what the real world was all about, I've been planning on leaving ever since.  |
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Donald Frost
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| glasshalffull wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Tiger Beer wrote: |
| Hanson wrote: |
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| Incidently, this is basically the biggest problem people have with Canadians in general in Korea (and I think I should specify this seems to be Ontario-specific). We're all in Korea, but every single time, every single conversation goes back to Canada. It's tedious and mind-numbing much like having a conversation with a hardcore bible thumper. |
Yeah, but in Canada, we don't have this problem.
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Heh heh. Good one!
Oh man, that's another cringer...the words 'in Canada'...stuck on so many Ontario-ites tounge.
I should be thankful in Michigan, we are fortunately sepated by an international state line, and don't have to listen to Ontario's egocentricness if we don't want to. But you guys from Quebec, stuck with the nonsense! Oh man.
Just an extra thought...I've heard mindnumbingly long and dull lists upon lists of famous anglo Canadians in the U.S., but they never mention the greatest Quebecer of origin of all time (even if he himself was born in Massachussets) ---> Jack Kerouac! |
There I'd have to agree with you. People who get super proud of Canadian celebs changing their citizenship to Hollywood but who think that Radio Canada is only a radio station are pretty embarrassing to listen to sometimes. |
canada sucks. |
Have you ever lived up there for a long time? I raise this query because it seems clear that She's been a very together and strong nation since even before the Charlottetown Conference.
I've resided in Florenceville, New Brunswick; Victoria and Vancouver, British Columbia; Toronto and London, Ontario; Mascouche and Montreal, P.Q.; Halifax, Nova Scotia; and, Kinross and Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island.
Canada is, in my honest opinion, one of the most gorgeous and, in most respects, just places in which anybody could hope to reside in the entire world. Sure, the widely-seen anti-U.S. stuff in the nation is a downer but a sufficient number of people who are from Canada are so classy that it makes that ugly stuff leave one's mind, dig. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I lived in America for three years. I will say that some Canadians aren't much different but it seems like a very high percentage of ordinary Americans are very afraid of having their values challenged. And some of the Christians can get so offended at the drop of a hat. I've also noticed that on American-based websites some people are so afraid of argument and confrontation. Just a few observations. |
i think that the issue is that most people don't want their ideas challenged.
i've talked with people from various different countries, and the majority of them were not looking to hear things that challenged their beliefs.
when you grow up with something, and that something is normal to you, it's hard to accept someone who comes from a different background.
heck, it happens well enough amongst the ethnic and religious minorities in our countries! |
I think there's something to this. It's very rare for a Korean or Japanese to discuss something in their own language with a person of another ethnicity / nationality. While the majority of the world's native-English speakers are American, the majority of those who use the English langauge are not. This makes it much easier for them to come across someone who comes from a fundamentally different value system and can offer a critique of something in English. Rather than admit that there may be more than one valid viewpoint about something, it seems that many Americans can't accept this as a starting point and thereby cannot engage in debate. |
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mountainous
Joined: 04 Sep 2007
Location: Los Angeles
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| Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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I find that when I am okay then I am okay w/everything around me...I feel young tho w/lots to learn
Hopefully that will never change |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| While the majority of the world's native-English speakers are American, the majority of those who use the English langauge are not. This makes it much easier for them to come across someone who comes from a fundamentally different value system and can offer a critique of something in English. Rather than admit that there may be more than one valid viewpoint about something, it seems that many Americans can't accept this as a starting point and thereby cannot engage in debate. |
Biggest case of 'projecting' I've ever seen.
In Canada, you NEVER met someone with different core values? Everyone is a perfect beacon of conformitivity? No one has ever challenged you ever in Canada? Are you telling me Canada is an exact replica of the Korean existance?
If so, then yeah, Americans probably do blow your mind. We have a lot of different opinions about pretty much every issue, and each American has completely different core values, and each one you have to find a 'starting point' to engage in debate. We have black people, mexican people, all kinds of different white people, and we don't all think the same down there. So yeah, if you are from a conforming culture where everyone thinks exactly the same (like how you explain Canada to be) then it probably is difficult for you to find things in common with so many people seemingly so different from yourself.
Incidently, these Korean or Japanese people who supposedly share your 'core values' are just practicing their English. |
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friendoken
Joined: 19 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| Americans aren't intellectual cowards at all, but they are among the most heavily propagandized people on earth, it shows more in the people living there than ones you meet abroad, and everyone knows it and has known it for some time. |
Some examples of this propaganda? |
Read Edward Bernays. |
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SpuriousGeorge
Joined: 01 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| friendoken wrote: |
| Beej wrote: |
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| Americans aren't intellectual cowards at all, but they are among the most heavily propagandized people on earth, it shows more in the people living there than ones you meet abroad, and everyone knows it and has known it for some time. |
Some examples of this propaganda? |
Read Edward Bernays. |
Wow, you're so right! Propaganda sure is limited to democracy!... I can't think of prominent propaganda in anywhere like Russia, China, or North Korea at all.  |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
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| While the majority of the world's native-English speakers are American, the majority of those who use the English langauge are not. This makes it much easier for them to come across someone who comes from a fundamentally different value system and can offer a critique of something in English. Rather than admit that there may be more than one valid viewpoint about something, it seems that many Americans can't accept this as a starting point and thereby cannot engage in debate. |
Biggest case of 'projecting' I've ever seen.
In Canada, you NEVER met someone with different core values? Everyone is a perfect beacon of conformitivity? No one has ever challenged you ever in Canada? Are you telling me Canada is an exact replica of the Korean existance?
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No, it's very much the opposite. First of all, Canada has two major languages so people who usually function within one set of generally understood values necessarily have to interact with people who have a somewhat different set of values. Secondly, both anglophones and francophones in Canada are a tiny minority of those who use their languages, and are necessarily more exposed to people elsewhere who also speak their languages. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Canada has two major languages so people who usually function within one set of generally understood values necessarily have to interact with people who have a somewhat different set of values. Secondly, both anglophones and francophones in Canada are a tiny minority of those who use their languages, and are necessarily more exposed to people elsewhere who also speak their languages. |
Yes, I do certainly realize that people from Quebec are very intelligent and very well-informed. I never met a Quebec person I didn't like. I think they have to deal within that larger system that makes them more self-aware and gives them a better understanding of the larger world.
The general anglo populace from rural Ontario however... |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
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| Canada has two major languages so people who usually function within one set of generally understood values necessarily have to interact with people who have a somewhat different set of values. Secondly, both anglophones and francophones in Canada are a tiny minority of those who use their languages, and are necessarily more exposed to people elsewhere who also speak their languages. |
Yes, I do certainly realize that people from Quebec are very intelligent and very well-informed. I never met a Quebec person I didn't like. I think they have to deal within that larger system that makes them more self-aware and gives them a better understanding of the larger world.
The general anglo populace from rural Ontario however... |
What I would have given to see the expressions on the faces of several of my uncles (anglos from rural Ontario) to see me in bed with a Frenchwoman. One of them even went to my cousin's school and started yelling at the principal because my cousin had to take one year of mandatory French at school.
(I have, unfortunately, met a few Quebecois I didn't like but they are generally few and far between). |
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Hanson
Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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Geckoman
Joined: 07 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:22 am Post subject: Re: Do you find many Americans are intellectual cowards? |
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Americans are the dumbest people ever. They don't even have a monarch like the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand have to rule them.
Try convincing a Yank why his country is "missing" something because his country is not ruled by a monarch and the Yank will laugh in your face and then shoot you his logic and reason.
American logic and reason? Come on! You can't apply American logic and reason to everything. Not everything can be decided by logic and reason. Put that American logic and reason away.
If Yanks were so smart they would have a queen or king ruling over them like Brits, Canucks, Aussies and Kiwis have.
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN! |
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samcheokguy
Joined: 02 Nov 2008
Location: Samcheok G-do
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| Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| funny how if this thread were about "korea" it would have been locked and deleted by now. |
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