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Asiana Flight Crashes - San Francisco Airport
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Scorpion



Joined: 15 Apr 2012

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
I didn't know ANY of the professions of those onboard. Did being ESL teachers go unnoticed, or simply wasn't all that relevant to most of the discussion?

/shrug


Well, we are all ESL teachers on this board. The flight took off from Seoul. It would indeed be interesting for a poster (perhaps someone we even know) to come along and give us their experience. We have less interest in the other professions because we are ESl teachers posting on an ESL discussion board about a flight that departed from Seoul. We are all ESL teachers who fly out of that very same airport on a semi-regular basis. I don't think it's unreasonable to want to hear from a fellow ESL teacher who was on the flight. And if they do post, I'm sure we'll be all ears.
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Konglishman



Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As an international teacher not involved in teaching ESL, I would like to point out that not all of us on this forum are ESL teachers. And further, I too would like to hear of someone's experience on that flight.

On a side note, if my brother's summer work schedule had been more flexible, there is a strong chance I would have taken that exact flight with Asiana.
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maximmm



Joined: 01 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There may be a litigation forthcoming - hence it may be unwise for those involved in the crash to comment here or elsewhere. According to Korea Times, many passengers will strike it rich off this accident (or semi-rich). The downside is, many of them will have major psychological issues when it comes to flying again.
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transmogrifier



Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maximmm wrote:
The downside is, many of them will have major psychological issues when it comes to flying again.


What? How many people have been in TWO plane crashes? They should be happy to jump on any random plane for the rest of their lives Smile
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Konglishman



Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

transmogrifier wrote:
maximmm wrote:
The downside is, many of them will have major psychological issues when it comes to flying again.


What? How many people have been in TWO plane crashes? They should be happy to jump on any random plane for the rest of their lives Smile


Actually, one time, I was on a plane which I thought might crash. This was was due to a loud explosion-like sound and one of the engines on the right side ceasing to function. The pilot had to turn around plane and land back at the airport where we had just taken off.
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cabeza



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

transmogrifier wrote:
maximmm wrote:
The downside is, many of them will have major psychological issues when it comes to flying again.


What? How many people have been in TWO plane crashes?


One of my old university lecturers had been in THREE plane crashes. Granted they were all in South America, flying in the 1970s and 1980s.
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Smithington



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

transmogrifier wrote:
maximmm wrote:
The downside is, many of them will have major psychological issues when it comes to flying again.


What? How many people have been in TWO plane crashes? They should be happy to jump on any random plane for the rest of their lives Smile


You'd be surprised. There was a shooting at a mall up in Toronto last year. One of the passers-by that was shot dead had been in the movie theater in the States a few months earlier when that guy opened up with a machine gun. She survived the Batman massacre only to get shot dead by a second nutjob up in Canada. So you never know. But yeah, the odds are overwhelmingly against something like that (or a plane crash) happening to you twice.
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My other half came back from her women's institute type meeting a couple of days ago and said the main topic of conversation was that Boeing were trying to shift the blame onto the Korean pilots somehow through their investigation. This kind of confirmed to me what Expatfromhell was saying about the immediate Korean way of removing Korea from any blame while assuming foreigners have got it in for them. Wouldn't most nationalities just sit back and wait for the result of the enquiry? I remember a BA flight overshooting the runway a short time ago but can't recall any Brits immediately trying to claim mechanical failure. even if it had crashed and people had been killed I can't believe many British people would really care one way or the other if it was pilot or mechanical error. Would I feel national shame if I found out a British pilot screwed up? I'm pretty sure I wouldn't. I'd just be concerned about it not happening again.
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le-paul



Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it does seem that blame is often 'relocated' in korean culture by using either guilt (you hate us) or naivety.
The fact is (dont remember where i read it for a direct quote), korean cockpit culture has recently been investigated so it stands to reason, that it will be re-addressed in this situation.
I have a feeling that koreans sometimes like to pick and choose whether or not theyre international players as it suits them ( reg -sex assualt allegations). In an instance like this, it is natural, that all avenues will be investigated as its an international company, hence it must abide by the general rules of aviation. Instead, theyre treating it more like an instance of national pride than an air crash investigation.
The point is, to prevent something like this from occurring again isnt it?

Theres no way boeing are going to accept the blame from this after building that recent franken-plane that wouldnt work!
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's be honest - a lot of people related to Korea take any criticism as a hit at the national pride/identity.

A train blows up in Canada. There's an investigation. Fingers are pointed. People are dead. Criminal charges pending.

No Canadian I know takes this as a slight against Canada.



However, it's easy for this issue to be taken as a "Korean issue" - whether it is or not. This week I discussed it in my classes (adult). I asked the question " what can cause an airplane to crash?" - got tons of great responses. After setting that stage, we went from there. Had a great class, and hopefully a great exchange of ideas and conversation. I made sure to frame "the Korean issue" as only one possible part of a very broad issue.

I felt it went over fine... but I feel that's in large part to how I set up the discussion.
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smithington wrote:
Strange nobody mentioned this yet, but there were apparently English teachers on the flight. My brother back home said they were interviewed on the television. They may have been Korean-Americans, but teachers nonetheless. We might yet hear from them on this forum.


This was caught already but good grief man...try to hide your prejudices and bigotry a bit better please.

Oh and on the odd chance you claim this was some sort of "joke" based on what that moron Korean news anchor said...your comment remains racist bile.
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
Let's be honest - a lot of people related to Korea take any criticism as a hit at the national pride/identity.

A train blows up in Canada. There's an investigation. Fingers are pointed. People are dead. Criminal charges pending.

No Canadian I know takes this as a slight against Canada.



However, it's easy for this issue to be taken as a "Korean issue" - whether it is or not. This week I discussed it in my classes (adult). I asked the question " what can cause an airplane to crash?" - got tons of great responses. After setting that stage, we went from there. Had a great class, and hopefully a great exchange of ideas and conversation. I made sure to frame "the Korean issue" as only one possible part of a very broad issue.

I felt it went over fine... but I feel that's in large part to how I set up the discussion.


As someone who has been hearing about this train disaster every day. all day since it happened, I can tell you the blame has quickly shifted to that "greedy american corporate train boss" and to that "evil american oil transiting through our land".

It got ugly real fast and it was a horrible disaster that likely has led to 50+ deaths and to environmental damage.

The fact it was an American Company should be irrelevant because its not like Canadian rail companies are all that much better when transporting dangerous materials...heck they use the same kind of shoddy wagons because its cheaper. It may be taken as a slight against Canada but it is being taken by many as "those evil greedy americans"...
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

News keeps breaking on this story. It took 20 minutes for the first emergency vehicles to arrive at a crash at a major international airport? That's too long.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/video/asiana-passengers-called-911-begged-105603903.html
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atwood



Joined: 26 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

schwa wrote:
News keeps breaking on this story. It took 20 minutes for the first emergency vehicles to arrive at a crash at a major international airport? That's too long.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/video/asiana-passengers-called-911-begged-105603903.html

Airport officials have already explained the manner in which they responded to the emergency--everything by the book with no delays. But why look into what actually happened when you can instead rely on a panicked passenger's reaction?

Of course they could have rolled out every emergency vehicle at once, adding to the chaos on the ground. As it was, one emergency vehicle ran over a passenger lying on the ground.
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atwood



Joined: 26 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm surprised no on has posted this:
https://socialreader.com/me/content/X6BL8?chid=141426&_p=trending-swiper-both

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Those names again: "Sum Ting Wong," "Wi Tu Lo," "Ho Lee Fuk," and "Bang Ding Ow." Ugh. After realizing their mistake—I'm guessing about .01 seconds after hearing the name "Ho Lee Fuk" read out loud—the network offered an on-air apology, but by then the damage had been done.
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