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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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The disgraced exec. has been sentence to 1 year of incaceration. It isn't much. Korean gaols are not Shawshank Redemption type of places, any more. Apparently the private settlement with the flight attendant was around $200,000. No words on cancellation of the revenge-thing though. So apparently it is still in motion, dormant it maybe. $  $ |
They should make her service working class men in a room salon instead.  |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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Ah, come on! Let her go free. In her world/ our world, she's done nothing nothing wrongly! Yeah, those peanuts are not enough to satisfy my appetite when on a plane like that too! Gully, gee whiz, you people are so savage and living in the past! All of you should be arrested or at the least warned for being human but not the fucking same as me! *beep* you! There's a difference between being innately affluent and vindictively peasant! She's been wronged! 
c'mon, no guilt in you? Be the first to stone me, strike me with your complacence and transparent self-righteousness! She's the victim of you and your imperialistically cultural western philosophy. (*beep* you.) |
That's what brought the down-fall of essentially most of the world's monarchs in the late-19th, and early-20th century. A disconnect with the masses. The cycle will repeat itself. I'll probably be long dead when the next one comes to rolling heads. |
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ricochet
Joined: 04 Sep 2011
Location: carpetbagging...
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:47 am Post subject: |
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Ah, come on! Let her go free. In her world/ our world, she's done nothing nothing wrongly! Yeah, those peanuts are not enough to satisfy my appetite when on a plane like that too! Gully, gee whiz, you people are so savage and living in the past! All of you should be arrested or at the least warned for being human but not the fucking same as me! *beep* you! There's a difference between being innately affluent and vindictively peasant! She's been wronged!
c'mon, no guilt in you? Be the first to stone me, strike me with your complacence and transparent self-righteousness! She's the victim of you and your imperialistically cultural western philosophy. (*beep* you.) |
That's what brought the down-fall of essentially most of the world's monarchs in the late-19th, and early-20th century. A disconnect with the masses. The cycle will repeat itself. I'll probably be long dead when the next one comes to rolling heads. |
Yours would be first.
She is being portrayed as behaving like an American princess that couldn't get her own way! Just like you! Her individualist philosophical American-English way of controlling and dominating the situation that has been so prominently taught here as part of the linguistic Western culture along with the predominantly phonetically sounding desired Englishee which is assumed the globally standard way of being imperialistically accepted as internationally cultured is exactly what determined her unjust fate. *beep* you and the horse ya'all rode in on. |
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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:16 am Post subject: |
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| ricochet wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
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Ah, come on! Let her go free. In her world/ our world, she's done nothing nothing wrongly! Yeah, those peanuts are not enough to satisfy my appetite when on a plane like that too! Gully, gee whiz, you people are so savage and living in the past! All of you should be arrested or at the least warned for being human but not the fucking same as me! *beep* you! There's a difference between being innately affluent and vindictively peasant! She's been wronged!
c'mon, no guilt in you? Be the first to stone me, strike me with your complacence and transparent self-righteousness! She's the victim of you and your imperialistically cultural western philosophy. (*beep* you.) |
That's what brought the down-fall of essentially most of the world's monarchs in the late-19th, and early-20th century. A disconnect with the masses. The cycle will repeat itself. I'll probably be long dead when the next one comes to rolling heads. |
Yours would be first.
She is being portrayed as behaving like an American princess that couldn't get her own way! Just like you! Her individualist philosophical American-English way of controlling and dominating the situation that has been so prominently taught here as part of the linguistic Western culture along with the predominantly phonetically sounding desired Englishee which is assumed the globally standard way of being imperialistically accepted as internationally cultured is exactly what determined her unjust fate. *beep* you and the horse ya'all rode in on. |
ricochet is going through his own nut-rage! Must be in the genes! |
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ricochet
Joined: 04 Sep 2011
Location: carpetbagging...
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| wooden nickels wrote: |
| ricochet wrote: |
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| ricochet wrote: |
Ah, come on! Let her go free. In her world/ our world, she's done nothing nothing wrongly! Yeah, those peanuts are not enough to satisfy my appetite when on a plane like that too! Gully, gee whiz, you people are so savage and living in the past! All of you should be arrested or at the least warned for being human but not the fucking same as me! *beep* you! There's a difference between being innately affluent and vindictively peasant! She's been wronged!
c'mon, no guilt in you? Be the first to stone me, strike me with your complacence and transparent self-righteousness! She's the victim of you and your imperialistically cultural western philosophy. (*beep* you.) |
That's what brought the down-fall of essentially most of the world's monarchs in the late-19th, and early-20th century. A disconnect with the masses. The cycle will repeat itself. I'll probably be long dead when the next one comes to rolling heads. |
Yours would be first.
She is being portrayed as behaving like an American princess that couldn't get her own way! Just like you! Her individualist philosophical American-English way of controlling and dominating the situation that has been so prominently taught here as part of the linguistic Western culture along with the predominantly phonetically sounding desired Englishee which is assumed the globally standard way of being imperialistically accepted as internationally cultured is exactly what determined her unjust fate. *beep* you and the horse ya'all rode in on. |
ricochet is going through his own nut-rage! Must be in the genes! |
Yah, babe. ...just rich, Christian and better than you. 
hey, are you from Jamaica? |
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jcd
Joined: 13 Mar 2012
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So she attempted to make a deposit, and if accepted they would consider it a settlement.
She would have gotten off easier in the US. They are clearly making an example out of her; and it doesn't seem like the natural way they would have dealt with her without international attention.
Can you buy your freedom here even if you murder someone or commit a more serious crime?
Cho's attorney said she deposited the money as a "sign of her sincerity as she was unable to apologize to them in person due to her arrest." But the purser and flight attendant refused the money and Cho was sentenced last week to one year behind bars on charges of forcing an aircraft to change course.
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2015/02/16/2015021601476.html |
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:38 am Post subject: |
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So she attempted to make a deposit, and if accepted they would consider it a settlement.
Cho's attorney said she deposited the money as a "sign of her sincerity as she was unable to apologize to them in person due to her arrest." But the purser and flight attendant refused the money and Cho was sentenced last week to one year behind bars on charges of forcing an aircraft to change course.
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2015/02/16/2015021601476.html |
When all of this first started, I stated that I thought that as much of a B***H that she had been on the flight, it was still on the captain for returning to the gate, as he had ultimate responsibility for the plane and all of its passengers. But I guess the fact that she was his boss complicated the matter, and anyway the court made its ruling so there is no point arguing that anymore.
But here is the part I don't understand. If the reason she was sentenced was because she "forced an aircraft to change course", how would settlements to the purser and flight attendant mitigate that offense in the courts view, as they are suggesting? What does one thing have to do with the other? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 4:17 am Post subject: |
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I believe she was convicted of damaging the flight of the aircraft, and some sort of assault charge.
She was not convicted of tapering with evidence - others took that hit. |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| ricochet wrote: |
| wooden nickels wrote: |
| ricochet wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
| ricochet wrote: |
Ah, come on! Let her go free. In her world/ our world, she's done nothing nothing wrongly! Yeah, those peanuts are not enough to satisfy my appetite when on a plane like that too! Gully, gee whiz, you people are so savage and living in the past! All of you should be arrested or at the least warned for being human but not the fucking same as me! *beep* you! There's a difference between being innately affluent and vindictively peasant! She's been wronged!
c'mon, no guilt in you? Be the first to stone me, strike me with your complacence and transparent self-righteousness! She's the victim of you and your imperialistically cultural western philosophy. (*beep* you.) |
That's what brought the down-fall of essentially most of the world's monarchs in the late-19th, and early-20th century. A disconnect with the masses. The cycle will repeat itself. I'll probably be long dead when the next one comes to rolling heads. |
Yours would be first.
She is being portrayed as behaving like an American princess that couldn't get her own way! Just like you! Her individualist philosophical American-English way of controlling and dominating the situation that has been so prominently taught here as part of the linguistic Western culture along with the predominantly phonetically sounding desired Englishee which is assumed the globally standard way of being imperialistically accepted as internationally cultured is exactly what determined her unjust fate. *beep* you and the horse ya'all rode in on. |
ricochet is going through his own nut-rage! Must be in the genes! |
Yah, babe. ...just rich, Christian and better than you.
hey, are you from Jamaica? |
Right on, ricochet. Jesus couldn't have put your post any better. Even the Jamaican part. |
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| ricochet wrote: |
Ah, come on! Let her go free. In her world/ our world, she's done nothing nothing wrongly! Yeah, those peanuts are not enough to satisfy my appetite when on a plane like that too! Gully, gee whiz, you people are so savage and living in the past! All of you should be arrested or at the least warned for being human but not the fucking same as me! *beep* you! There's a difference between being innately affluent and vindictively peasant! She's been wronged!
c'mon, no guilt in you? Be the first to stone me, strike me with your complacence and transparent self-righteousness! She's the victim of you and your imperialistically cultural western philosophy. (*beep* you.) |
That's what brought the down-fall of essentially most of the world's monarchs in the late-19th, and early-20th century. A disconnect with the masses. The cycle will repeat itself. I'll probably be long dead when the next one comes to rolling heads. |
Yours would be first.
She is being portrayed as behaving like an American princess that couldn't get her own way! Just like you! Her individualist philosophical American-English way of controlling and dominating the situation that has been so prominently taught here as part of the linguistic Western culture along with the predominantly phonetically sounding desired Englishee which is assumed the globally standard way of being imperialistically accepted as internationally cultured is exactly what determined her unjust fate. *beep* you and the horse ya'all rode in on. |
The American Princess rubbish is just a way to divert attention from Korean culture as practised even now. Being appalling to so called 'inferiors' is very much part of the Korean hierarchy. I saw it everyday in an EPIK job where the male principal verbally bullied Korean female staff especially the young school receptionist, and actually hit a few young Korean male staff in front of everybody over the course of a year in the staff room.
This pathetic performance by a spoilt Korean brat lording it over what she calls her inferiors would never fly with its equivalent in the UK, Canada, US, Australia and New Zealand. For starters. And definitely not a plane flight. In treating the airplane as her personal space to make flight attendants feel like dirt and then make them kneel and apologise to her she did a Korea hieirarchy move.
If she had been the daughter of a western executive doing this believe me she would have been thrown off the plane within minutes. Security would have been called and she would have been escorted off and told she would face criminal charges for causing a security breach as well as committing harassment and verbal abuse.
This was a quintessentially Korean crime. Just as well it happened in a western country because it would have been excused in Korea and then forgotten about. There is a lot of face saving going in Korea about it - there was mention in the courtroom about Korea's 'image' - the emphasis in Korea was less about violating international aviation law as well as violating decent standards of behaviour towards other human beings.
This plane incident was Korean hierarchy shown to the world. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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So she attempted to make a deposit, and if accepted they would consider it a settlement.
She would have gotten off easier in the US. They are clearly making an example out of her; and it doesn't seem like the natural way they would have dealt with her without international attention.
Can you buy your freedom here even if you murder someone or commit a more serious crime?
Cho's attorney said she deposited the money as a "sign of her sincerity as she was unable to apologize to them in person due to her arrest." But the purser and flight attendant refused the money and Cho was sentenced last week to one year behind bars on charges of forcing an aircraft to change course.
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2015/02/16/2015021601476.html |
They should have deposited something way more significant than 200 million-won. How long can you live on that? Should have been at least 2 billion-won ($2 million USD) if they seriously wanted smooth sailing. Isn't that pocket change for them? Tells you how out of touch they are, thinking a mere quarter million bucks will shut people up. It might for some, but I'd say most would need at least enough money to ride for the rest of of their lives. And that would be at least multi-million dollars.
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| If she had been the daughter of a western executive doing this believe me she would have been thrown off the plane within minutes. |
Yes, I'd agree, if she were just a daughter. But what if this daughter happens to be also the VP in the same company? I'm not too sure, maybe 50/50.
But, I'd doubt a 40-year-old western VP would throw such a hissy-fit in public. In private maybe, but in public, I doubt it. Unless it's on some Twitter feed. |
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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| jcd wrote: |
So she attempted to make a deposit, and if accepted they would consider it a settlement.
She would have gotten off easier in the US. They are clearly making an example out of her; and it doesn't seem like the natural way they would have dealt with her without international attention.
Can you buy your freedom here even if you murder someone or commit a more serious crime?
Cho's attorney said she deposited the money as a "sign of her sincerity as she was unable to apologize to them in person due to her arrest." But the purser and flight attendant refused the money and Cho was sentenced last week to one year behind bars on charges of forcing an aircraft to change course.
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2015/02/16/2015021601476.html |
They should have deposited something way more significant than 200 million-won. How long can you live on that? Should have been at least 2 billion-won ($2 million USD) if they seriously wanted smooth sailing. Isn't that pocket change for them? Tells you how out of touch they are, thinking a mere quarter million bucks will shut people up. It might for some, but I'd say most would need at least enough money to ride for the rest of of their lives. And that would be at least multi-million dollars.
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| If she had been the daughter of a western executive doing this believe me she would have been thrown off the plane within minutes. |
Yes, I'd agree, if she were just a daughter. But what if this daughter happens to be also the VP in the same company? I'm not too sure, maybe 50/50.
But, I'd doubt a 40-year-old western VP would throw such a hissy-fit in public. In private maybe, but in public, I doubt it. Unless it's on some Twitter feed. |
I agree. 200 million won was way too low of an apology. Yep, make that offer X 10 and she would probably be free as a bird. But 200 mil is like saying "throw the dogs a couple of pieces of bread." With the Cho's deep pockets, the offer was an insult. It's like saying you aren't worthy of having a big piece of the pie. |
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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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The bribee could have negotiated for more but chose to take the hifh road.
If it were me, 500 million would have been my price but I would ask for a cool million us. Basically 'what is my silence worth to you?'
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| jcd wrote: |
So she attempted to make a deposit, and if accepted they would consider it a settlement.
She would have gotten off easier in the US. They are clearly making an example out of her; and it doesn't seem like the natural way they would have dealt with her without international attention.
Can you buy your freedom here even if you murder someone or commit a more serious crime?
Cho's attorney said she deposited the money as a "sign of her sincerity as she was unable to apologize to them in person due to her arrest." But the purser and flight attendant refused the money and Cho was sentenced last week to one year behind bars on charges of forcing an aircraft to change course.
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2015/02/16/2015021601476.html |
They should have deposited something way more significant than 200 million-won. How long can you live on that? Should have been at least 2 billion-won ($2 million USD) if they seriously wanted smooth sailing. Isn't that pocket change for them? Tells you how out of touch they are, thinking a mere quarter million bucks will shut people up. It might for some, but I'd say most would need at least enough money to ride for the rest of of their lives. And that would be at least multi-million dollars.
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| If she had been the daughter of a western executive doing this believe me she would have been thrown off the plane within minutes. |
Yes, I'd agree, if she were just a daughter. But what if this daughter happens to be also the VP in the same company? I'm not too sure, maybe 50/50.
But, I'd doubt a 40-year-old western VP would throw such a hissy-fit in public. In private maybe, but in public, I doubt it. Unless it's on some Twitter feed. |
I agree. 200 million won was way too low of an apology. Yep, make that offer X 10 and she would probably be free as a bird. But 200 mil is like saying "throw the dogs a couple of pieces of bread." With the Cho's deep pockets, the offer was an insult. It's like saying you aren't worthy of having a big piece of the pie. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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The bribee could have negotiated for more but chose to take the hifh road.
If it were me, 500 million would have been my price but I would ask for a cool million us. Basically 'what is my silence worth to you?'
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Yeah but take into account his career is ruined from this.
What is his lifetime take on this incident? (life in Korea might not be possible without constant fear...yes?)
More like 2 million US dollars...just in monetary terms.
She seems like the vindictive type...her sister has already made 'revenge' a clear goal.
Her family will make it their mission to ruin this man's life...his family's as well.
That comes with a pretty big price tag.
And to her...2 million dollars would be nothing.
He didn't take the bribe...but can he still sue for damages?
Maybe he didn't take the high road. Maybe she wasn't the negotiating type. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| Cave Dweller wrote: |
The bribee could have negotiated for more but chose to take the hifh road.
If it were me, 500 million would have been my price but I would ask for a cool million us. Basically 'what is my silence worth to you?'
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Yeah but take into account his career is ruined from this.
What is his lifetime take on this incident? (life in Korea might not be possible without constant fear...yes?)
More like 2 million US dollars...just in monetary terms.
She seems like the vindictive type...her sister has already made 'revenge' a clear goal.
Her family will make it their mission to ruin this man's life...his family's as well.
That comes with a pretty big price tag.
And to her...2 million dollars would be nothing.
He didn't take the bribe...but can he still sue for damages?
Maybe he didn't take the high road. Maybe she wasn't the negotiating type. |
Korean Air still has him on the payroll. It would look bad if they fired him. Probably lifetime payroll, and he's free to work anywhere else, no strings attached (aka free to blast the company in the media/book deal... etc) is probably the best way to settle this. Let the dust settle and never mention it again. Unless a great-grandkid pulls the same stunt in 20 years, then this incident will be referred to, and possibly a second cash windfall for the steward. I assume Korean Air PR ain't so dumb, and have much cooler heads than the monster lady's sister.
I wonder what happened to the stewardess in the incident? Weren't there two directly being punished like elementary kids? |
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