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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Furthermore, being "neutral" means in military and diplomatic terms. Citizens of the US will be able to travel, invest and trade as the representatives of a truly international, peaceful nation that leads by example. People who are not cowards. True Americans do not have to hide in bunkers nor behind the US military. We can go out in the world alone unafraid. At least we could if the US government hadn't spent decades making billions of enemies around the world - people who hate Americans because of things the US government has done. Evil things. The US government supported and funded Sadam and made enemies. Then we attack Sadam and make more enemies. The manipulations in country after country would and do fill hundreds of books. You want me to post item by item, but its not necessary. I disagree with all of these policies, individually. |
the US did support Saddam -against Khomeni but much less than France , Russia or Germany did.
Here is a little truth about the mideast.
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| As usual in the Arab world, everyone knew what was happening and no one said a thing. The British and American pilots flying the pointless southern "no-fly" zone �� allegedly to protect Iraq's minorities �� could clearly see the receding waters of the Marsh. The Arab regimes remained silent. Neither Mubarak nor Arafat nor Assad nor Fahd uttered the mildest word of criticism, any more than they did when the Kurds were gassed. |
http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0519-02.htm
The US fought the cold war. the cold war got rid of an ememy of the US who was out to get the US.
what would have happened if the US didn't fight the cold war?
Have you ever looked at Bin Laden's claims against the US?
He blames the US for Russia 's war with Chechnya- false
He blames the US for Serbia oppression of muslims- false
He blames the US for low oil prices - false.
He blames the US for China's pppression of muslims - False.
More often than not the US hate the US cause it is a superpower, not because of policies. They will go after the US until it isn't a superpower. |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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The people of the world expect the US to be its moral leader.
No one expects anything from France, Germany or Russia.
That's one more reason the US must be a principled, moral, neutral leader in the world. Why join in with those socialistic unprincipled lands? The US has its founding fathers. F/G/R have Napoleon, Hitler and Stalin. They have had manipulative, interventionist, militaristic foreign policies and wars. They have failed. Should America follow them to defeat and dismemberment.
The world is waiting for America to lead as a free, principled, neutral, rich, growing, prosperous nation. Let them join in as states and citizens or stay outside and face the caliphate.
And why would you post the lies of Bin Laden? No one believes his lies except for the followers he has duped. They follow him because Bush and his ilk make Bin Laden's lies believable. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| The people of the world expect the US to be its moral leader. |
or they just like to blame the US when they have a problem.
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| No one expects anything from France, Germany or Russia. |
ask the poles.
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| That's one more reason the US must be a principled, moral, neutral leader in the world. Why join in with those socialistic unprincipled lands? The US has its founding fathers. F/G/R have Napoleon, Hitler and Stalin. They have had manipulative, interventionist, militaristic foreign policies and wars. They have failed. Should America follow them to defeat and dismemberment. |
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the US had to fight the cold war.
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| The world is waiting for America to lead as a free, principled, neutral, rich, growing, prosperous nation. Let them join in as states and citizens or stay outside and face the caliphate. |
That is an interesting theory.
They are looking out for themselves not to follow the US.
the US will be attacked by Al Qaada because it is a superpower. The US withdrawing from Iraq will not change that.
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| And why would you post the lies of Bin Laden? No one believes his lies except for the followers he has duped. They follow him because Bush and his ilk make Bin Laden's lies believable. |
Really why did 70,000 train in Al Qaeda camps in the 1990s?
9-11 was planned before Bush was in office. You explain that. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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Gopher, you obviously didn't read my posts. I love America and the American people. That is why I want to protect them from Bush and his evil. We should have impeached FDR before the war, LBJ, Nixon (but he resigned), Clinton (he was impeached for the wrong reasons) and Bush I and II. These presidents broke their oaths to uphold the constitution. They did great harm to the American people. They undermined the principles of liberty the US is based on.
People who follow Bush are helping Bin Laden in his efforts to destroy America. They are true anti-Americans. Bin Laden could never hurt America without the help of the US government creating victims to be his followers. The people who supported the interventionist policies of the US in the past have created Bin Laden, et al. Now the Bushies are creating the Bin Ladens of the future. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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Gopher, you obviously didn't read my posts. I love America and the American people. That is why I want to protect them from Bush and his evil. We should have impeached FDR before the war, LBJ, Nixon (but he resigned), Clinton (he was impeached for the wrong reasons) and Bush I and II. These presidents broke their oaths to uphold the constitution. They did great harm to the American people. They undermined the principles of liberty the US is based on.
People who follow Bush are helping Bin Laden in his efforts to destroy America. They are true anti-Americans. Bin Laden could never hurt America without the help of the US government creating victims to be his followers. The people who supported the interventionist policies of the US in the past have created Bin Laden, et al. Now the Bushies are creating the Bin Ladens of the future. |
the US created Bin Laden?
Why did 70,000 train in Al Qaeda camps in the 1990's. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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Joo, Bush ll is only the latest incarnation of this interventionist policy. Of course George W. didn't create Bin Laden. That was his father's generation's legacy. From GHW Bush's days in the CIA. LBJ, Nixon and Kissinger. As I said, Bush and "his ilk". The interventionists have been around along time. Their first great success was the imposition of the Federal Income Tax and the Federal Reserve.
America's problems all come from interventionism and socialism. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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US interventionism began before Bin Laden was born. He grew up in it. He was radicalized by it. He is an engineer by training and he expects people to follow principles. (His engineering training is how he knew he could bring down the twin towers with airliners. These buildings are not like the others oft posted by conspiracy theorists. The twin towers had a different kind of support structure supported from the middle.)
People who follow these terrorists are people looking for leadership. They are looking for principled answers. They find the US lacking. America should lead by example. America should be a bright shining light for the world.
Presidents before G W Bush created Bin Laden as a terrorist. They should have been impeached. G W is creating worse future enemies for the US. He should be impeached. |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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Ontheway, it seems as if you are simply one more person confused and bitter about America and her role in world affairs. You even seem to have at least some sympathy for bin Laden and his cause.
There is nothing I could say to you that would help you. Your mind is clearly made up, and that appears to be that. |
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EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005
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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:07 am Post subject: |
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| It is not in the interest of the American people to have a government that makes enemies abroad and makes the world a more dangerous place to live. The US should be peaceful, neutral and militarily isolationist. As George Washington advised long ago: "free trade with all, entangling alliances with none." Such a policy will earn the respect of the world. No one would attack Americans at home or abroad. Other nations would once again wish to join the US as states. The US would be a peaceful, free, economic giant - a threat to no one. Only then would the US, and its military muscle, be truly respected around the world. We could be friends to all, but all would respect the slogan "Don't tread on Me". |
First, I'll remind you that while most of Latin America and the Caribbean hate the U.S., |
Really? Hmmm... spent 8 months living there... didn't see it.
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| Secondly, you can make some of the people happy some of the time, but you can never make all of the people happy all of the time. Your fallacy is failing to appreciate this reality, particularly where such a huge and influential nation-state as the U.S. is concerned. The world is complicated and complex. We do the best we can. Grow up. |
Ah, the irony!!! Grow up, you say, you twenty-something, insulting little munchkin?
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| As many have noted, the U.S. is simply too big to be neutral in world affairs: either by action or inaction we impact events everywhere. Neutrality is impossible for us, then. And only small countries have the luxury of isolationism or acting morally. |
Bwahahahahahaha!!! Like my classmates once said to me, "You lived in the desert? You're a liar!! No one can live in the desert!"
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| And if, as you suggest, the U.S. suddenly became isolationist (e.g., shut down the Agency for International Development and all of its related nation-building initiatives like the Peace Corps, stopped contributing money to institutions like the World Bank, disbaned NATO, pulled out of the OAS, the G8, and the UN, terminated all foreign aid programs and international lending, including longstanding programs like the Fulbright Fellowship program and earlier programs such as those run by the Ford Foundation, and also closed all banks like the Inter-American Development Bank, pulled all forces out of East Asia, the Middle East, and elsewhere, withdrew all support for Israel, etc., etc.), the world economy would likely collapse or suffer some other major trauma or series of traumatic events, and probably not recover for hundreds of years. |
Did he suggest, or did you assume? I don't see where that long string of actvities is mutually exclusive with minding your own business. The Pace Corps, for example, is a service group, not a political party or extension of the will of Dumbay, et. al.
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| Finally, with regards to your moralistic preaching about how the U.S. should be and act, and how, if this were so, the rest of the world would like us, and somehow everything would be good...this is beyond simplistic. This is childish thinking. |
It's childish to make such broad assumptions and to belittle the argument before you. How is your preaching any less moralistic, you heaping hypocrite?
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| And, frankly, as an American, I don't really give a damn what the rest of the world thinks if they indeed think like you. |
I'm fairly sure you cn knock off the "...if..."
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| And if this is part of what drives W. Bush's intrasigence to the outside world, then I fully support him in this, too, for our leadership is clearly needed amongst all of these temper tantrum-throwing simplistic infants. |
I've suspected it, and am now sure: you're a republican pulling the sheep's clothing shtick. Take a hike.
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| And, again, please do grow up. |
Physician, heal thyself. |
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EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005
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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:11 am Post subject: |
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| You, BLT Trainer, Nowhere Man, and many others on this board have an intense and bitter dislike of the U.S. |
What a $%$&% you must be to claim such a sickening thing because it is the only way you think you can win your argument: disparage and insult your opponent. Dumbya is proud of ya, son. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:10 am Post subject: |
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Newsweek: Armitage Plays Unwitting Role In CIA Leak
The Man Who Said Too Much
A book coauthored by NEWSWEEK's Michael Isikoff details Richard Armitage's central role in the Valerie Plame leak.
Katsumi Kasahara / AP (l.) ; Lawrence Jackson / AP
According to a new book, the State Department has known for years that Armitage (left) outed Plame
� Perspectives
� O'Donnell weighs in on White House woes
� Libby defense may highlight infighting
� Cheney Notes Surface in Fitzgerald Probe
� Exec privilege in CIA case downplayed
By Michael Isikoff
Newsweek
Updated: 10:49 a.m. ET Aug. 27, 2006
Sept. 4, 2006 issue - In the early morning of Oct. 1, 2003, Secretary of State Colin Powell received an urgent phone call from his No. 2 at the State Department. Richard Armitage was clearly agitated. As recounted in a new book, "Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War," Armitage had been at home reading the newspaper and had come across a column by journalist Robert Novak. Months earlier, Novak had caused a huge stir when he revealed that Valerie Plame, wife of Iraq-war critic Joseph Wilson, was a CIA officer.
Ever since, Washington had been trying to find out who leaked the information to Novak. The columnist himself had kept quiet. But now, in a second column, Novak provided a tantalizing clue: his primary source, he wrote, was a "senior administration official" who was "not a partisan gunslinger."
Armitage was shaken. After reading the column, he knew immediately who the leaker was. On the phone with Powell that morning, Armitage was "in deep distress," says a source directly familiar with the conversation who asked not to be identified because of legal sensitivities. "I'm sure he's talking about me."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14533384/site/newsweek/ |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:23 am Post subject: |
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I think the Supreme Court' s own conclusion that Bush as head of state is complicit in breaking the Geneva Convention and war crimes, is enough proof....
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Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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First, I'll remind you that while most of Latin America and the Caribbean hate the U.S.,
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Really? Hmmm... spent 8 months living there... didn't see it.
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Where? Doing what?
Because I noticed a healthy amount of anti-Americanism when I was there, so much so that by neccessity "No estoy Americano, estoy Canadiense, " came up in just about every conversation with a stranger I had.
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What a $%$&% you must be to claim such a sickening thing because it is the only way you think you can win your argument: disparage and insult your opponent. |
I 've noticed you doing an awful lot of that yourself these days.
Am I the only one?
I doubt it. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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Actually it should be no soy Americano, soy Canadiense.
Estoy refers to a tempory state of being where as soy is a more permanent sense. Your nationality, meaning where you were born, can not change, in the sense that you can't be born in more than one country.
Hence the necessity of soy.
Soy canadiense, pero estoy en corea.
I realize you probably already know this, but I couldn't help myself.
As for anti-Americanism, it depends where you are. Some regions of Mexico are far less antagonistic towards America and Americans than others and the same can be said about people. I did notice a sharp rise in Anti-Americanism with the start of the Iraq war. |
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