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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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 Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:47 am Post subject: Re: re: |
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| Maserial wrote: |
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Actually, now that you have caught me, I will let you in on my plan.
In our main class, I ordered an olmypic sized swimming pool for mass baptisms.
In the TV room, we have Benny Hinn, Pat Robertson and Bill O Reilly on for 24/7 for mass indoctrination class.
In the gogo room is evangelism class. There they learn how to run, tackle and jump on people and force them literature.
Finally, for lunch, we have holy manna hana bread and drink grape juice. Squeezed, not processed, because that would be a sin. |
That sounds like a wordy, delusive way of saying 'Yeah, I do sneak a bit of my religious beliefs upon my students, and now I'm going to use hyperbole to derail the issue.' But that's cool; I like crap.
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| I am teaching Narnia to my kids and its at the part where Aslan has to die for Edmund. The victory seems lost, that there isn't any hope. But wait, what's that I hear? It's the lion of Judah who is coming to redeem the earth. Those who have been caught in the witch's spell. |
In the classroom, if your description of the events is similar to that in your post (replete with gratuitous, emotive language and gesture), then there is a decent chance that your students are eating it up, because you're the funny, cool white guy.
(Please do chlorinate the pool before the mass baptism.) |
Yeah, I do talk about God, but within boundaries, only if I feel it's fitting for the subject. Such as what is redemption, what is morality and so on. I have made some great relationships with the kids and if they choose to follow Christ then that's a great reward of mine.
Anyway, I don't respond to Satori or Troll Bait because they have said stuff like this.
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You are deranged. You're unstable. You're not well."
You are the most hate filled bigot I've ever read.
Your ignorance is deep and profound, your hatred is bilious and dangerous. to Is this guy for real or what? Please, for the sake of humanity, don't have children...
What a fruitcake...
You haven't the faintest idea what "truth" even is.
Pure and utter rubbish from you, again.
You hate yourself. And frankly I don't blame you. I suggest serious professional psychiatric help is your only option now.
I don't feel xians have the right to shove thier idiocy in my face either. |
They are more interested in censorship than freedom of speech. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 9:13 am Post subject: |
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| I stand by everything I've said about you. There is nothing more dangerous or repulsive than a fundamentalist... |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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On page 2, I posted a message claiming that Evoluitionary theory answered many questions about human behavior.
One of these questions was "Why is diplomacy so difficult?"
I presented examples of people insulting those with whom they disagreed.
I explained that we carried inner brains left from prehistoric times, in which we were never confronted with anyone different from ourselves except enemies and predators.
Consequently, we attack theists, atheists, Liberals, or Conservatives,
thinking that they are enemies or predators.
On page 12, Five Eagles gave us a collection of examples:
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You are deranged. You're unstable. You're not well."
You are the most hate filled bigot I've ever read.
Your ignorance is deep and profound, your hatred is bilious and dangerous. to Is this guy for real or what? Please, for the sake of humanity, don't have children...
What a fruitcake...
You haven't the faintest idea what "truth" even is.
Pure and utter rubbish from you, again.
You hate yourself. And frankly I don't blame you. I suggest serious professional psychiatric help is your only option now.
I don't feel xians have the right to shove thier idiocy in my face either. |
This collection was followed by one more example from Satori:
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| There is nothing more dangerous or repulsive than a fundamentalist. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:29 pm Post subject: Re: re: |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
| Maserial wrote: |
| fiveeagles wrote: |
Actually, now that you have caught me, I will let you in on my plan.
In our main class, I ordered an olmypic sized swimming pool for mass baptisms.
In the TV room, we have Benny Hinn, Pat Robertson and Bill O Reilly on for 24/7 for mass indoctrination class.
In the gogo room is evangelism class. There they learn how to run, tackle and jump on people and force them literature.
Finally, for lunch, we have holy manna hana bread and drink grape juice. Squeezed, not processed, because that would be a sin. |
That sounds like a wordy, delusive way of saying 'Yeah, I do sneak a bit of my religious beliefs upon my students, and now I'm going to use hyperbole to derail the issue.' But that's cool; I like crap.
| fiveeagles wrote: |
| I am teaching Narnia to my kids and its at the part where Aslan has to die for Edmund. The victory seems lost, that there isn't any hope. But wait, what's that I hear? It's the lion of Judah who is coming to redeem the earth. Those who have been caught in the witch's spell. |
In the classroom, if your description of the events is similar to that in your post (replete with gratuitous, emotive language and gesture), then there is a decent chance that your students are eating it up, because you're the funny, cool white guy.
(Please do chlorinate the pool before the mass baptism.) |
Yeah, I do talk about God, but within boundaries, only if I feel it's fitting for the subject. Such as what is redemption, what is morality and so on. I have made some great relationships with the kids and if they choose to follow Christ then that's a great reward of mine.
Anyway, I don't respond to Satori or Troll Bait because they have said stuff like this.
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You are deranged. You're unstable. You're not well."
You are the most hate filled bigot I've ever read.
Your ignorance is deep and profound, your hatred is bilious and dangerous. to Is this guy for real or what? Please, for the sake of humanity, don't have children...
What a fruitcake...
You haven't the faintest idea what "truth" even is.
Pure and utter rubbish from you, again.
You hate yourself. And frankly I don't blame you. I suggest serious professional psychiatric help is your only option now.
I don't feel xians have the right to shove thier idiocy in my face either. |
They are more interested in censorship than freedom of speech. |
If you are talking abou this forum, then maybe they are more interested in censorship, I don't follow your battles with them. But if you are talking about bringing up God in class, ever, especially to kids in a public school setting, they are not talking about censorship, they are talking about PROFESSIONALISM. Your political and religious views should never come out in class, especially with children. I am in the opposite situation as you.
My school is literally in the bible belt of Korea. 85% of my students are ardent Christians (well, so far as a child can be). Whenever the word church or god come up, I explain them from a language point of view only. I never say I don't go to church when they ask, I don't say I think the bible is a boring storybook when the subject comes up and if I ask them what they do every Sunday I don't remark at all about their beliefs but treat everything from the point of view of a PROFESSIONAL ENGLISH TEACHER. It's not my job to save them from the idiocy of Christianity, only teach them English. It's up to their parents to tell them about God FiveEagles, whether for or against.
Your personal views should not come up in class. If they ask about moraility, teach them what it means from an impersonal point of view if you need examples. When you talk about your religious beliefs from your personal opinion, you are influencing children in a very unprofessional manner. If they do bring it up or ask about what you think, you should quickly change the subject.
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Think of it this way. Imagine your kid comes home one day and says this, "Hey dad. I asked about sex today at school and my teacher told me what it meant and told me that he believe sex between two 16 year olds is all right as long as it is safe and consentual. Also, he believes that everyone should have sex before getting married, it's only smart to test compatibility before signing something for life. My teacher is really smart and cool."
I have no doubt, NO DOUBT, you would be phoning the school after that little converstation. |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with Tomato concerning C.S. Lewis. I am not religious myself, but I enjoyed his writings as a child. If we are going to rule out anything and everything with religious content or origin, we will miss out on a number of great authors such as Charles Dickens, Victor Hugo, or even J.R. Tolkein. While we're at it, we'd also have to throw out a great deal of classical music and art. Being profesional is one thing, but completely censoring out any and all religious ideals is taking things too far.
As for the whole belief thing, it seems like anyone who is looking for evidence to point us one way or the other would do well to investigate paranormal phenomenon or near death experiences in a non-biased, objective fashion. This research should include any and all natural explanations for said phenomenon, and not jump to conclusions too speedily when explanations are hard to come by. If we are going to find real answers about god, the universe, the afterlife, or lack thereof, this would be the way to do it. However, it seems like many take a black and white attitude toward these phenomenon. It seems that many people simply assume that they exist, or that they do not. I would like to see more skeptical, but open minded literature on this topic. |
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KittyLover
Joined: 20 May 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry! That last post by Cubanlord was really by me. Don't know how that happened... |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| KittyLover wrote: |
| Sorry! That last post by Cubanlord was really by me. Don't know how that happened... |
Yeah...
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| I am not religious myself |
And there I was thinking we finally had concrete evidence of his schizophrenia...well, he'll(or they'll, rather) slip up sooner or later... |
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KittyLover
Joined: 20 May 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| KittyLover wrote: |
| Sorry! That last post by Cubanlord was really by me. Don't know how that happened... |
Yeah...
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| I am not religious myself |
And there I was thinking we finally had concrete evidence of his schizophrenia...well, he'll(or they'll, rather) slip up sooner or later... |
Lol. Sorry to dissapoint you. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: re: |
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| My school is literally in the bible belt of Korea. 85% of my students are ardent Christians (well, so far as a child can be). |
Never heard of it.
Where is it? |
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red dog
Joined: 31 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry! That last post by Cubanlord was really by me. Don't know how that happened... |
Do you use the same computer? How else could it happen? |
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KittyLover
Joined: 20 May 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| No, that's the funny thing. We each have our own. Same internet connection, but that shouldn't make a difference. |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| red dog wrote: |
| KittyLover wrote: |
| Sorry! That last post by Cubanlord was really by me. Don't know how that happened... |
Do you use the same computer? How else could it happen? |
I think I used her pc a few days ago. That's why. |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: re: |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
Anyway, I don't respond to Satori or Troll Bait because they have said stuff like this.
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You are deranged. You're unstable. You're not well."
You are the most hate filled bigot I've ever read.
Your ignorance is deep and profound, your hatred is bilious and dangerous. to Is this guy for real or what? Please, for the sake of humanity, don't have children...
What a fruitcake...
You haven't the faintest idea what "truth" even is.
Pure and utter rubbish from you, again.
You hate yourself. And frankly I don't blame you. I suggest serious professional psychiatric help is your only option now.
I don't feel xians have the right to shove thier idiocy in my face either. |
They are more interested in censorship than freedom of speech. |
I have never said anything like that. Each and every one of the above quotes is from Satori.
Do not slander me by putting words in my mouth.
That you would attribute any of the above quotes to me shows that you either don't read my posts carefully, have a low tolerance for disagreement, don't like it when I point out your errors/ignorance, or are delibately trying to twist the truth to make me look like the villain.
I am not for censorship. I am against abusing one's position as an ESL teacher to sneak some "stealth" evangelism into a classroom full of young, impressionable students.
If someone starts evangelising me, I can walk away, stop reading, or log off. Students have none of these options available if their teacher starts preaching.
Edit:
I just read laogaiguk's post. Good response.
I hope that Kitty_Lover/Cuban_Lord read my post addressed to Tomato.
Last edited by Troll_Bait on Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:23 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:16 pm Post subject: re: |
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| I stand by everything I've said about you. There is nothing more dangerous or repulsive than a fundamentalist... |
... of any kind.
Peace |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: re: |
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Hello, Troll Bait!
This is in response to your response to Five Eagles:
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I have never said anything like that. Each and every one of the above quotes is from Satori.
Do not slander me by putting words in my mouth.
That you would attribute any of the above quotes to me shows that you either don't read my posts carefully, have a low tolerance for disagreement, don't like it when I point out your errors/ignorance, or are delibately trying to twist the truth to make me look like the villain. |
Not necessarily.
Five Eagles may be unfair, but to the four possibilities you mention, I wish to suggest a fifth possibility:
Maybe Five Eagles regards you and Satori as a corporate individual.
Keep in mind that Five Eagles has an inner brain, whether he believes he does or not.
This inner brain tells him that all opponents are enemies.
Furthermore, I am not pointing the finger only at Five Eagles. I remember family arguments in which I accused one family member of something that another family member said. I also remember occasions during the Vietnam protest in which I accused one war advocate of something that another war advocate said.
And enemies are not to be regarded as individuals, but rather, well--enemies!
Once again, I refer to my post on page 2 of this thread. |
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