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Iran Warns Netherlands Not to Air Controversial 'Anti-Muslim
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thepeel wrote:
I'm as fond as obedient Xtians as I am obedient muslims. These are both hateful, warrior ideas.


Christianity is a warrior idea? Whoa, you need to cut back on the Hitchens kool-aid.
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huffdaddy



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thepeel wrote:
I'm as fond as obedient Xtians as I am obedient muslims. These are both hateful, warrior ideas.


And when have you ever called for countries to stop the immigration of Christians and deport them?

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The difference is that nobody has ever told me to "tolerate" Pat Robertson or that I'm a bigot for thinking Xtian nuts are nuts.


And who here has said that you need to tolerate nut bag imams? We're talking about tolerating the general populace of Muslims who aren't militant and just want to live their own lives.

The funny thing is, Americans are more fond of evangelical Christians and Muslims than they are of atheists.
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Justin Hale



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

huffdaddy wrote:







Good lord, that's pitiable and, were it not a conspiracy against the superior man, risible also. What a waste of good oxygen.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin Hale wrote:
huffdaddy wrote:







Good lord, that's pitiable and, were it not a conspiracy against the superior man, risible also. What a waste of good oxygen.


Where are the moderate atheists to denounce the anti-theists? Laughing
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've long known about that, and never found motivation to care. People with "faith" do not respect people without because they fear that in the absence of god, all is permissible. This is nonsense, of course.

That's the second time huffnpuff has used a wildly childish mindset to explain something.

Kuros, I think maybe you need to give the bible another read.

And huffnpuff, I'm in favour of 'values immigration' that would as easily reject a Mississippi Baptist as it would a Pakistani muslim. If you think a poorly written and hate filled old book is the inerrant word of god, go somewhere else. We've had a hard enough time in Canada dragging our religious nuts into the 18th century without needing to revitalize their base by increasing the numbers.
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, now the muslims in the UK can import scores of woman as their (liberated, we're sure) wives and the government will extend to them welfare. The UK is paying for her colonization.

Multiple wives will mean multiple benefits
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Husbands with multiple wives have been given the go-ahead to claim extra welfare benefits following a year-long Government review, The Sunday Telegraph can reveal.

Even though bigamy is a crime in Britain, the decision by ministers means that polygamous marriages can now be recognised formally by the state, so long as the weddings took place in countries where the arrangement is legal.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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wannago wrote:

And to add: When a Christian kills, let's say, an abortion doctor, the vast majority of Christians speak out against the act and the person who did it.


Really? When and where? Do you really speak with the "majority of Christians"? Why is Pat Robertson so popular? While I've heard religious Christians voice their dislike of Fred Phelps, they are not the ones I see counter protesting.


I'm sure I'm in much closer contact with a "majority" of Christians than you are. Is Pat Robertson (who I personally can't stand) so popular because he endorses Christians killing abortion doctors?

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Do you know that some of the Arabs see the 9/11 hijackers AND OBL as heroes? The others believe that Jews orchestrated the whole thing. Very few Muslims speak out against terrorist acts...that's a major difference.


Some do. Sure. Why does that justify a blanket condemnation of all Muslims? A great many Muslims also spoke out against the 9/11 attacks. Some Southerners see Eric Rudolph as a hero.


I have spent a significant amount of time in the Middle East, both before and after 9/11. While I never said that all Muslims supported the attacks, I do know that a large number saw the attacks as a retaliation against the West in general and against the U.S. in particular...and they are OK with that. I have heard many Muslims, while disgust at so many innocent people dying, in the same breath be proud that some of their "boys" took on America and gave it a bloody nose OR claim that the Jews were behind it all because no good Muslim would ever perpetrate this kind of savage act. Its all about the denial or the justification....very rarely about the condemnation.
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pluto wrote:

Are you suggesting that there are conspiracies from places like Tehran to Khartoum to quietly take over Europe while bleeding hearts just grab their ankles and thank the lord, Allah, for a beautiful day?


Houari Boum�dienne, Algerian Dictator, 1965-78 said at the UNITED NATIONS:

"One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory." -- Boum�dienne, in 1974


Oh, never mind. I'm sure he didn't mean it.
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huffdaddy



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thepeel wrote:
I've long known about that, and never found motivation to care. People with "faith" do not respect people without because they fear that in the absence of god, all is permissible. This is nonsense, of course.

That's the second time huffnpuff has used a wildly childish mindset to explain something.


Only the second time? I've got quite a ways before I catch up with you. If you read carefully, it wasn't an explanation. Merely a curious irony.

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And huffnpuff, I'm in favour of 'values immigration' that would as easily reject a Mississippi Baptist as it would a Pakistani muslim.


I can only imagine the "values" that would pass your muster.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Where are the moderate atheists to denounce the anti-theists?



Weeks before Romney made his speech defending his religious beliefs, I said here that I don't believe in a religious test for public office. Naturally, peel followed me around and disagreed with me.

peel has no concept of the meaning of the word 'toleration', which is just stating the obvious to anyone who has read any of his posts on a variety of topics. He's an embarrassment to the West.
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And huffnpuff, I'm in favour of 'values immigration' that would as easily reject a Mississippi Baptist as it would a Pakistani muslim. If you think a poorly written and hate filled old book is the inerrant word of god, go somewhere else.


Well, you could probably add Korean Confucians, ultramontagne Catholics, and Hindus with a hard-on for the BJP mobs to that list. Suffice to say, such a values-based immigration system would be almost impossible to enforce, since the applicants could always just lie about what they believe anyway.

The better bet is to ensure that immigrant come from a wide variety of backgrounds, regardless of what they believe. Mississipi Baptists and Iranian Muslims might both have reactionary ideas, but are probably less likely to join in common cause than would be groups sharing the same faith.
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Naturally, of course.

If you believe these:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/int/long.html
Then the press should expose this and people adjust their votes accordingly.

I do not tolerate intolerance. If you are in favor of individual rights and don't try to control the private lives of others than I have absolutely no problem. If you want to use the power of the state to enfore your anchient desert religion then I do not tolerate you. Simple simple.

Tolerating intolerance will just encourage and ensure more intolerance. These little tribal ideas about "god" and their perverted moralities are the opposite of tolerance.

But an embarrassment.. Speaking of:

Ya-ta, tell me again about how a homosexual muslim women who uses art to protest the Iranian government killing homosexuals is similar to a "slave master"..

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=1515982&highlight=#1515982

ya-ta spat:
It's a fascinating situation. On the one hand, you have hypersensitive religious immigrants (or the children of immigrants) and on the other hand, you have bigots who want to provoke them into displays of anger so they appear to want to change the traditional tolerant nature of Dutch society.
ya-ta continued
It's not that far from the thinking of the slave masters who prevented slaves from being educated or earning any reward for their labor and then pointing at them and saying, "See, they're too lazy and stupid to be free."

I corrected the old bigot:
The artist is an Iranian muslim who was protesting the treatment of homosexuals in Iran. She was trying to use the Dutch tradition of freedom to protest the thugs in her home country. But the thugs followed her, and ya-ta compares her to a slave master.


You're right. This is fascinating. A muslim protesting Iranian treatment of gays gets called out for being a "slave master" by a lefty white American man.


See, I defend the rights of people to speak out, even rudely/aggressively against those who want to undo the advances of the West. You defend the rights of the poeple who want to return to a "West" of stoning homosexuals. If I'm an embarrassment to the "West", and that is your idea of the West, then I very gladly accept that label.
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And huffnpuff, I'm in favour of 'values immigration' that would as easily reject a Mississippi Baptist as it would a Pakistani muslim. If you think a poorly written and hate filled old book is the inerrant word of god, go somewhere else.


Well, you could probably add Korean Confucians, ultramontagne Catholics, and Hindus with a hard-on for the BJP mobs to that list.


Really? I sure don't see the problems in Korea Town, Cupertino or Boston that we see in Malmo or Marseille.

This multiculturalism thing (the reality, not Canadian policy) seems to work quite well with one big exception.
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thepeel wrote:
On the other hand wrote:
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And huffnpuff, I'm in favour of 'values immigration' that would as easily reject a Mississippi Baptist as it would a Pakistani muslim. If you think a poorly written and hate filled old book is the inerrant word of god, go somewhere else.


Well, you could probably add Korean Confucians, ultramontagne Catholics, and Hindus with a hard-on for the BJP mobs to that list.


Really? I sure don't see the problems in Korea Town, Cupertino or Boston that we see in Malmo or Marseille.

This multiculturalism thing (the reality, not Canadian policy) seems to work quite well with one big exception.


Wel, I don't know what percentage of immigrants in Canada are Korean Confucians, but let's say that it was equal to the percentage of immigrants in France who were African and Middle Eastern Muslims. Korea Town might be flex its sociopolitical muscle a bit more.
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is just no end to how absurd this gets:

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Female Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules'

Muslim medical students are refusing to obey hygiene rules brought in to stop the spread of deadly superbugs, because they say it is against their religion.


Women training in several hospitals in England have raised objections to removing their arm coverings in theatre and to rolling up their sleeves when washing their hands, because it is regarded as immodest in Islam.

Universities and NHS trusts fear many more will refuse to co-operate with new Department of Health guidance, introduced this month, which stipulates that all doctors must be "bare below the elbow".

The measure is deemed necessary to stop the spread of infections such as MRSA and Clostridium difficile, which have killed hundreds.

Minutes of a clinical academics' meeting at Liverpool University revealed that female Muslim students at Alder Hey children's hospital had objected to rolling up their sleeves to wear gowns.

Similar concerns have been raised at Leicester University. Minutes from a medical school committee said that "a number of Muslim females had difficulty in complying with the procedures to roll up sleeves to the elbow for appropriate handwashing".

Sheffield University also reported a case of a Muslim medic who refused to "scrub" as this left her forearms exposed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk

It is just relentless. I wonder if any Chinese, Koreans or Japanese make demands like this? Argentinians? Mexicans?! Unbelievable.
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But the Islamic Medical Association insisted that covering all the body in public, except the face and hands, was a basic tenet of Islam.

"No practising Muslim woman - doctor, medical student, nurse or patient - should be forced to bare her arms below the elbow," it said.

Dr Majid Katme, the association spokesman, said: "Exposed arms can pick up germs and there is a lot of evidence to suggest skin is safer to the patient if covered. One idea might be to produce long, sterile, disposable gloves which go up to the elbows."[/b]


Yes, no clash of civilizations. Not showing your ARMS as more important than maintaining sanitary medical facilities in the face of an epidemic of superbugs.


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