Korean Job Discussion Forums

[Mr. BlackCat]

Let me try to say this again for the nth time.

Someone posted here it was wrong for a Korean bar to not allow foreigners in. SR said because we are not Korean we don't have a right to fight it. I said that posting on the internet is not a political act. TUM said posting on the internet is weak. I said which one is it, a political act or weak?

I'm not the MLK of the internet. I never said I was anything of the sort. All I said is that individuals, no matter what country they live in, have a right to form opinions based on what they experience everyday. They may not have the right to form political groups, but they surely have a right to talk about their feelings on the internet. SR is saying we don't have a right to do that. TUM is saying only doing that is cowardly (my own word, but it was implied), and we should do more. I'm asking which one is it?

I'm not typing out a summary of the ideas at hand here for makoda, TUM and SR. Like I said, they start with a conclusion and work their ways backwards. But anyone else jumping in to read the last few posts deserves a breakdown.

Of course now that they've unleashed the time-tested "I'm rubber and you're glue" argument, I may be outgunned. I mean, no one can outsmart that kind of intelligent and mature counter-argument.

[Steelrails]

Remember Senor NegroGato, when everyone was dumping on Canadians and you were a voice in the wilderness, there was one other person on this board who said that that was nonsense and Canadians were getting a bum rap.

The same thing that made me do that is the same thing that makes me often defend Koreans on these boards. People take a small sample size and project it on larger populations. That, and they tend to ignore/forget about the stuff they do that might be perceived as "the same thing" the other way around.

Is it so hard to conceive the fact that racism in Korea isn't always a one way street? Is it so hard to grasp how unsettling it can be that some voices that complain about racism from Koreans are deafeningly silent when it comes to racism perpetrated against Koreans?

Case in point- look at the Dave's thread on Dating Korean Men. Already two posters have chimed in about the dangers of dating Koreans. Of course, when it comes to MBC or some random ajosshi doing it, that's racist. But on Dave's? It's just 'venting' or stating the facts.

And AGAIN, I didn't start the rumor about Sam Ryan's. There was another thread about it and another poster mentioned that. Go click on the thread and then check the person. I consistently mentioned that it was alleged. I consistently made it clear that I had no way to confirm or deny it beyond that thread. But if we take stories about discrimination at clubs towards foreigners at face value, I think we should take stories of discrimination at foreigner bars towards Africans at face value.

Or is it only okay to take stories of Korean racism at face value but to treat with skepticism stories about foreigner racism? That sounds to me a little...racist.

[Mr. BlackCat]

[TheUrbanMyth]

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[TheUrbanMyth]

[NYC_Gal 2.0]

It's not homogenous. That's the beauty of it.

Of course Koreans are free to bring Korean-style establishments to Itaewon, as it is not illegal. They are being jerks, however, in banning people from being customers based on race. It may not be illegal, but it's nasty.

I wouldn't go to K-town in NYC and open up a BBQ joint called "Seoul Food" and say that it was for Americans only. Let's pretend it even was legal in NYC. It just wouldn't be nice.

That's the issue, in a nutshell. It's mean. I hope their business fails. I'm not going to rant and rave, saying that it's an injustice, because it happens to be legal here. I'm not going to start a protest. I'm just going to say, here on a forum, that it's nasty. **** them.

[Steelrails]

All I ask is that everyone gets on the same page and agrees to the same things when it comes to the rules-

Want to "preserve Itaewon?" Fine, let Koreans "preserve" whatever crap they decide needs preserving from foreign influence.

Against racial discrimination, fine I want to see you protesting outside the places that ban Koreans or at least voicing serious concern.

So it's either accept the two things above or accept the status quo. Because most of us are short-term, perhaps sadly, we accept the status quo. But if people want to change things, then be fair and consistent. Otherwise you won't go far.

[fosterman]

so when they say , NO FOREIGNERS does that mean the MP's are also banned? or do the military police have some special authority to walk into any establishment they wish regardless of signs?

If I put a sign up and say, NO POLICE, does that mean I am allowed to ban them from my bar after all, it's my bar, my rules.

[The Cosmic Hum]

[MetaFitX]

I have no problem with Korean establishments doing this sort of thing (serious).

I'm all in favor of places barring military personnel from entering their premises and otherwise behaving like complete retards. God I can't wait until the American military leaves...

I'd be a hypocrite if I was in favor of barring foreign military and wasn't in favor of barring other particular "groups". If a Korean restaurant or club or whatever doesn't want any foreigners (as in...none whatsoever) than it generally isn't a place I'd want to be anyways.

[Died By Bear]

[fosterman]

Korean rapper Tiger JK has posted an apology on his Twitter account for the racist remarks against Caucasians he blurted out during a joint performance on Saturday.

�Once again my sincere apology goes out to all them good peoples, Peace,� he wrote on Tuesday, adding he can�t justify what went on that night.

According to Tiger JK�s recollection, some of the audience repeatedly requested him to dance the �horse dance� from choreography of another Korean rapper Psy�s worldwide hit �Gangnam Style.�

Tiger JK said this infuriated him.

�I told them I ain�t here to make you laugh, not here to dance for you, then it triggered something really dark in me,� Tiger JK said via Twitter.

Then the rapper said he cut all his songs short and went �crazy on all them white folks in the crowd.�

�To Fu** all y�all who think Asians are here to make you laugh by dancing my as*** off,� he said, accusing CNN and Hollywood of making Asians �comic relief.�

The rapper said he is �not proud of being a racist� and that the message could have been delivered without the offensive verbal abuse. But he maintained that he stood by everything he said.

The 38-year-old rapper -- whose real name is Seo Jung-kwon -- is regarded as one of the pioneers who introduced hip-hop music to Korea in the 1990s. He is married to another hip-hop musician Yoon Mi Rae.

The performance, sponsored by Intel and Vice magazine, is a global campaign that supports new and rising artists. While Saturday�s show also featured well-known musicians like Tiger JK and girl group 2NE1, the lineup consisted mostly of underground or alternate musicians.



but I am curious, if he is not there to sing or dance! then why is he there?
in case he forgot, he is an entertainer, his job is to sing and dance for people.

[Seoulman69]

If the argument is regarding bars dropping the western features that many of us foreigners enjoy, such as not having to order food, then I support you.

If it's just about Koreans patronizing foreign bars then I don't understand what you're upset about. I think the more Koreans and foreigners mix the better.

[Mr. BlackCat]

[Mr. BlackCat]