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World Traveler
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| Well, if a sock is a bad person (posting stuff that is dragging down the quailty of the forums), exposing them as a sock account is a good thing to do. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| Better to just avoid that though and make a zinger. Apologists unite! Defend all things Korean (indirectly making life worse for people who teach ESL here)! |
Has it ever occured to you that so-called "apologists" may have a very good reason for being apologists? To list just one that they are making a very good salary and see no rational for your doom and gloom scenarios?
Also I would postuate that it is the complainers who indirectly drive down salaries. Why?
Apologist: "You can make 3 million a month or more!"
Newbie: "Wow I'm going to ask for that or as close as I can get!"
Basher: "You only make about 2 million a month no matter how long you are here."
Newbie: "I'd better not ask for more then and maybe less...I don't want to price myself out of the market."
Seriously which group makes ESL teaching in Korea seem worse?
As a side point. We've gone through this all before and I listed a number of ways in which someone on a E-2 visa, although he doesn't have the opportunites of a F-visa, can still significantly increase his salary.
I'm curious...did you try any of those various methods? |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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What's the list? I missed it.
You said work hard and and improve yourself and people will notice. (That's all I caught).
The key is to live in Korea for 13 years straight?
After this you are barely breaking 3 million a month. That is good money (given the amount of time working in the same industry)? Well, I guess that's subjective.
If you have some specific advice, sure, list it below and I'll listen. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| If you have some specific advice, sure, list it below and I'll listen. |
It's fairly obvious.
1) Find out what places in Korea pay the best salaries and have the best conditions
2) acquire experience/qualifications they require
3)get a job there
4) find out what work on the side is available
5) acquire experience/qualifications needed for it
6) do extra (legal) work on the side.
7) make a lot of money on an E2 |
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IlIlNine
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
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| If you have some specific advice, sure, list it below and I'll listen. |
It's fairly obvious.
1) Find out what places in Korea pay the best salaries and have the best conditions
2) acquire experience/qualifications they require
3)get a job there
4) find out what work on the side is available
5) acquire experience/qualifications needed for it
6) do extra (legal) work on the side.
7) make a lot of money on an E2 |
This. It's also possible to get into other lines of work with a bit of post-grad education. Korean degrees may be a bit of an unknown factor abroad, but within Korea it's perfectly possible to go back into your field by doing a graduate degree and getting hired on at a Korean company. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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Edward, you have 17 years experience teaching ESL plus a DELTA plus an MA in TESOL. That is the best route to making the big bucks?
To me this whole thing is not obvious. But thanks for list. Maybe #1 is something I don't know enough about. What places pay the most for teaching ESL in Korea? The British Council? Also, test prep centers in Gangnam pay well, but I heard those places require a degree from a top ranked university. I made some mistakes in my life, and because of that didn't go to an ivy league school; maybe I'm SOL for that one then? So British Council it is? Honestly I don't know. And does the British Council prefer Brits over Americans? I heard something possibly to that effect, but I'm not sure.
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IlIlNine, interesting. You're someone who worked hard and took an unconventional route during your time in Korea. (Eleven years?) Thanks. I appreciate the advice. |
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IlIlNine
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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IlIlNine, interesting. You're someone who worked hard and took an unconventional route during your time in Korea. (Eleven years?) Thanks. I appreciate the advice. |
11 years, but in total it was 5 of school (free tuition + gov't scholarship + great part time work means I really wasn't struggling) I was also working part-time) + 4 at the company I work at now. The remainder teaching English.
One could do it much quicker: just get a Master's in 2 years and get hired on right after that. Possible with a marketable skill and Korean ability.
Yonsei/Korea Univ. MBAs are pretty good, as are tech degrees. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| To me this whole thing is not obvious. But thanks for list. Maybe #1 is something I don't know enough about. What places pay the most for teaching ESL in Korea? |
If you started a thread on this - as has been done many times before on here - people would be chiming in with suggestions immediately. Fustiancourdroy would be banging on about test prep hagwans again and others would mention high paying universities such as Hongik, Korea, that one that's owned by Samsung etc... I even know a few of these and I'm not even interested. yes the BC pays pretty well too and would be very interested in people applying in country as it saves them airfare and settling in allowance. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:39 am Post subject: |
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What's the list? I missed it.
You said work hard and and improve yourself and people will notice. (That's all I caught).
The key is to live in Korea for 13 years straight?
After this you are barely breaking 3 million a month. That is good money (given the amount of time working in the same industry)? Well, I guess that's subjective.
If you have some specific advice, sure, list it below and I'll listen. |
What Mr catflap said..basically...so no need to re-invent the wheel.
As for the 3 million comment I will say this. If 3 million were the glass ceiling for me here...I wouldn't be here. Simply not worth it.
BTW busting out sarcastic comments like "The key is to live in Korea for 13 years straight" is not a way to make people feel inclined to answer your comments.
It is however a sure fire way to get them to respond in kind though.
So helped out any North Koreans yet? |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I have. I have helped North Korean refugees living in South Korea. Have you?
You said this:
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| I'm curious...did you try any of those various methods? |
...but you won't tell me what these methods are.
(Unless...your list happens to be the same as edwardcatflap's? (Nothing else to add to that?) OK. I'll check it out then.) |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| World Traveler wrote: |
| Better to just avoid that though and make a zinger. Apologists unite! Defend all things Korean (indirectly making life worse for people who teach ESL here)! |
Has it ever occured to you that so-called "apologists" may have a very good reason for being apologists? To list just one that they are making a very good salary and see no rational for your doom and gloom scenarios?
Also I would postuate that it is the complainers who indirectly drive down salaries. Why?
Apologist: "You can make 3 million a month or more!"
Newbie: "Wow I'm going to ask for that or as close as I can get!"
Basher: "You only make about 2 million a month no matter how long you are here."
Newbie: "I'd better not ask for more then and maybe less...I don't want to price myself out of the market."
Seriously which group makes ESL teaching in Korea seem worse?
As a side point. We've gone through this all before and I listed a number of ways in which someone on a E-2 visa, although he doesn't have the opportunites of a F-visa, can still significantly increase his salary.
I'm curious...did you try any of those various methods? |
All these cute arguments aside, it's about supply and demand. Less people coming over, wages go up. More people coming over and they go down. Not much we can do except hope for a recovery back in the States to flush things out here. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Not much we can do except hope for a recovery back in the States to flush things out here. |
The recovery is here, my friend.
New article from today's New York Times:
Unemployment at 4-Year Low as U.S. Hiring Gains Steam
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| The Labor Department reported that the economy added 236,000 jobs in February as the unemployment rate sank to 7.7 percent, down from 7.9 percent in January and the lowest level since December 2008. |
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/09/business/economy/us-added-236000-jobs-in-february.html?_r=0
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The gulf between workers with a bachelor�s degree and the rest of the population remains vast: unemployment among college graduates was 3.8 percent, half the overall rate.
But in an encouraging sign for people like Mr. Haney, the jobless rate for high school graduates dropped to 7.9 percent from 8.1 percent.
�This was definitely a strong report,� said Jan Hatzius, chief United States economist at Goldman Sachs. |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 12:21 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
What Mr catflap said..basically...so no need to re-invent the wheel.
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Thanks to Mr caflap we got a real answer and didn't have to re-invent the wheel. |
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