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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| I'm still waiting for him to post statistics on civilians injured, wounded or killed by a coin being tossed at a car. If he can't, then he needs to shut the &%$@ up and refocus on what does kill and maim pedestrians in Korea. Otherwise he's just a troll who is best ignored. |
That doesn't change the fact that that behavior does NOTHING to solve the problem. |
It does, however, show that your obsession with focusing on the terrible dangers of ship won tossing are absurd. But absurdity is your calling card, isn't it. |
Life is absurd, and Steelrails has simply chosen to rebel in the face of that absurdity. Steelrails is Camus' Absurd Man. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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sr is the best argument for adding an ignore function to this website. His extended hodgepodges of senseless straw men, red herrings and fractured analogies chart a trajectory of an ever downward spiral into the abyss of ultra-apologism.
A loblolly's loblolly if you will. |
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Or you can just skip his posts. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Or you can just skip his posts. |
That's what I've decided to do from now on - not going to waste my time.
On a side note, I just remembered an instance from the start of this crack down (same day I "hit" a motorcyclist, so I forgot about it).
I was crossing the street near Seoul Station, and the cops were out giving people _____ for running red lights. Lights turned red, the whole intersection became a green cross walk, so I started across.
A car decided it'd roll right on through the intersection... right in front me. I didn't have to jump back or anything, but if I didn't stop walking, it would have hit me. The cop was yelling at the driver and walking towards us (the car was actually rolling towards the cop), and as it passed me, I gave it a good smack to its side. They stopped abruptly, rolled down the window, and I yelled at them while pointing at the red light. The cop walked over yelling... and I kept on walking. The cop cared more about them running the red (and possibly hitting both of us) than me loudly hitting that car.
Two minutes later I was walking by namdaemun gate, and had that run in with the motorcycle. lol |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Scorpion wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Scorpion wrote: |
| I'm still waiting for him to post statistics on civilians injured, wounded or killed by a coin being tossed at a car. If he can't, then he needs to shut the &%$@ up and refocus on what does kill and maim pedestrians in Korea. Otherwise he's just a troll who is best ignored. |
That doesn't change the fact that that behavior does NOTHING to solve the problem. |
It does, however, show that your obsession with focusing on the terrible dangers of ship won tossing are absurd. But absurdity is your calling card, isn't it. |
I'm focusing on the person who I can communicate with- You. I can't communicate with those drivers. I don't know them and they aren't members of this board. I CAN communicate with you and if someone posts ideas like flinging objects and striking vehicles, I will suggest that that is the wrong approach.
So if I flung a ship won coin (and who carries those around- my change is almost always 100s or 500s, takes time to look down and then manages to get it flung at the fleeing vehicle) at your vehicle because you made a traffic booboo, you would get out of your car and act all humbled?
No, you would try to kick my ass. Don't pretend otherwise.
This could have been a reasonable discussion, but then some people suggested illegal and immature ideas and refused to recant their position when the idiocy of it was exposed.
Flinging change at cars is not the answer either as an individual or as a society. The sooner you drop that notion and put it out to grass the better.
Let me ask you this- Are you okay with Koreans flinging coins? Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that if Korean people were to do exactly the steps you suggest, that you would find some way to twist it into an example of them being peasants and idiots and creating more danger. Koreans would be 10 won flinging loogie hacking orangutangs who turn any driving fault into a mini-riot. That's what would be said if they behaved exactly as you are suggesting with the coin flinging.
Bad driving is wrong. Car whacking is wrong. Coin flinging is wrong. Bad driving is not "almost murder". Neither is car whacking or coin flinging.
Let's just accept those points because they are all true.
Unless of course, all you were really looking for is an echo chamber circle jerk for your emotional outburst and not any actual discussion of the idea. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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Captain Corea, or any of you really, may I ask directly- What would you do if you made a traffic error and I flung a coin at your car or struck it? What if you were aware you had made an error? Now what if you were UNAWARE? How would you react?
And the answer to that question, that I believe is the same for most people out there, is the reason that such actions must be repudiated.
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And if we really want absurd, we could all don uniforms and carry umbrellas and pockets of 10 won coins and stand at intersections as a new Crossing Guard force. Which in the end, is your absurd idea taken to its logical conclusion. |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails. I'm going to come to your house and I'm going to shit in your laundry. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Bad driving is wrong. Car whacking is wrong. Coin flinging is wrong. Bad driving is not "almost murder". Neither is car whacking or coin flinging. Let's just accept those points because they are all true. |
You idiot. Dangerous driving and coin flicking are not offences of the same kind. "Bad driving" leads to thousands of deaths every year in Korea alone. Coin flicking leads to not so much as a runny nose. Only you would deem them to be offences of the same order. And although dangerous driving is not "almost murder" it still puts people in coffins. And if people are killed due to a motorist's criminal negligence / wreckless endangerment then we're at least talking about manslaughter. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, but if coin flicking and car whacking became a standard policy, especially back home in the states, you'd see some people end up in coffins and the hospital.
There'd be more than one case where a car would screech to a halt and some dude would come out with a tire iron.
Also, just because coin flicking isn't as bad as dangerous driving, doesn't mean we should excuse it or put it forth as a viable course of action. And we certainly shouldn't endorse it as a policy.
Let me ask again- What would you do if you made a traffic error and I flung a coin at your car or struck it? What if you were aware you had made an error? Now what if you were UNAWARE? How would you react?
I think if I did that to you, a fight would follow shortly thereafter, where instead of people almost getting hit by cars, you have people actually getting hit by fists.
Find a better way to solve the problem and be prepared to accept the consequences of YOUR illegal actions if something goes wrong. |
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Smithington
Joined: 14 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Personally, I don't give a damn if smacking an offending car is illegal. And I think I speak for most posters here, so you can lay off the "it's illegal" diatribe. Sometimes civil disobedience is justified. People (children included) are dying at unprecedented rates in this country due to dangerous drivers. The authorities are doing nothing about it. Given this reality, this is one such occasion where civil disobedience is justified. If everyone started expressing their contempt for drivers who endangered them on the crosswalk, be it with a tossed coin or a smack with an umbrella, things would slowly change. Lives would be saved. Korea would become a better place for all to live in. I will continue confronting drivers who endanger my life and welfare in a manner that I see fit.
And I don't give a damn if it's illegal. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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Personally, I don't give a damn if smacking an offending car is illegal. And I think I speak for most posters here, so you can lay off the "it's illegal" diatribe. Sometimes civil disobedience is justified. People (children included) are dying at unprecedented rates in this country due to dangerous drivers. The authorities are doing nothing about it. Given this reality, this is one such occasion where civil disobedience is justified. If everyone started expressing their contempt for drivers who endangered them on the crosswalk, be it with a tossed coin or a smack with an umbrella, things would slowly change. Lives would be saved. Korea would become a better place for all to live in. I will continue confronting drivers who endanger my life and welfare in a manner that I see fit.
And I don't give a damn if it's illegal. |
I'd be fine going to jail for parrying a car running through a red. If that's honestly the type of system here... I'd feel well within my ethics to stand against it.
That being said, I don't think I'd get charged or convicted. Like I said, I did the exact thing in front of a cop a week or so back - and he gave shit to the offending driver, not me. And rightly so. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Personally, I don't give a damn if smacking an offending car is illegal. And I think I speak for most posters here, so you can lay off the "it's illegal" diatribe. Sometimes civil disobedience is justified. People (children included) are dying at unprecedented rates in this country due to dangerous drivers. The authorities are doing nothing about it. Given this reality, this is one such occasion where civil disobedience is justified. |
I think you're confusing the terms "civil disobedience" and "vigilantism". You can make a case for vigilantism being necessary, but what you are advocating is NOT civil disobedience.
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| If everyone started expressing their contempt for drivers who endangered them on the crosswalk, be it with a tossed coin or a smack with an umbrella, things would slowly change. Lives would be saved. Korea would become a better place for all to live in. |
Or it could turn into Russia where traffic altercations regularly devolve into fist fights and stompings and traffic remains just as bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JzzTAeteZ4
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I will continue confronting drivers who endanger my life and welfare in a manner that I see fit.
And I don't give a damn if it's illegal. |
And if some people find something that you do that is illegal, are they justified to whack you with an umbrella or fling a coin at you? Are you going to stoically accept your punishment ala Thoreau or Gandhi or are you going to rant and rave about the tyranny of the Korean justice system.
Sorry, but nothing in the law empowers you start flinging objects around if you've been involved in a traffic accident. Ineffective cops or no, its just a bad way to handle the problem.
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| I'd be fine going to jail for parrying a car running through a red. |
Parrying, fine. Striking in anger?
And again, can any of you please answer this question, which seems to get no response- What would you do if you made a traffic error and I flung a coin at your car or struck it? What if you were aware you had made an error? Now what if you were UNAWARE that you had almost hit someone? How would you react?
The problem with your whole car hitting and coin throwing, is that I seriously doubt any of you would accept such measures being done to you or against your family. If that's the case, how appropriate can your actions be?
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Anyways, if this idea is so good, and civil disobedience is what is required, why don't you all put your money where your mouth is. Meet up, put some uniforms or neon vests on. Pick a corner and when an offending car goes by, whack them with your umbrella and fling a coin at them.
But you aren't going to do that. There's no serious effort being made here at solving this. This isn't about fixing the problem. This is about you justifying your emotional frustrations. |
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Smithington
Joined: 14 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| And if some people find something that you do that is illegal, are they justified to whack you with an umbrella or fling a coin at you? Are you going to stoically accept your punishment ala Thoreau or Gandhi or are you going to rant and rave about the tyranny of the Korean justice system. |
Another false analogy. There's a big difference between smacking a car with an umbrella and physically assaulting an individual. Noone here is advocating violence against the motorist's person. So congrats on yet another strawman. But if I ever engage in criminal activity that endangers your life feel free to throw a coin at me. I promise not to call the cops. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| And if some people find something that you do that is illegal, are they justified to whack you with an umbrella or fling a coin at you? Are you going to stoically accept your punishment ala Thoreau or Gandhi or are you going to rant and rave about the tyranny of the Korean justice system. |
Another false analogy. There's a big difference between smacking a car with an umbrella and physically assaulting an individual. Noone here is advocating violence against the motorist's person. So congrats on yet another strawman. But if I ever engage in criminal activity that endangers your life feel free to throw a coin at me. I promise not to call the cops. |
A car is genuinely seen as an extension of a person's body when they are inside it to a degree. Same with a person's home. You can't just menacingly stand in front of someone's car and kick their tires. Even if you aren't doing any damage, you are still threatening them.
No but if you do whip a coin and it hits my head or cracks my glasses are you prepared to make recompense? You may be, but what if the next guy decides to flee the scene just like your driver. Any sympathy I may have had for his frustration flys out the window when his missed coin hits me or my family or friends. And sooner or later that WILL happen. And if people do it en masse, many will switch to heavier objects and people WILL brawl over it. What? Do you think you'll get some kind of medal out of this and an award from City Hall? No! People will look at you the way they do those Russians who brawl- Like you're a complete sociopath.
What are cops supposed to do when summoned?
"This guy almost hit me" "No I didn't." Facts in dispute.
"I threw a coin at this guy" "This guy threw a coin at me" Facts not in dispute. Clearly an offense.
"Because this guy threw a coin at me, I threw a punch at him" "After that, he threw a punch at me" Facts not in dispute, clearly the person who threw the coin is at fault.
How do you expect cops to resolve such an issue? Who do you think is going to be blamed? Who can you blame BUT the person who threw the coin if the rest is my word vs. his word?
If you want to be a cop and keep traffic order, go be a cop and keep traffic order. Or put on your vest and Wolverine umbrella whacker and Spider Man coin shooter. Otherwise, form a civic group and petition for public safety and greater police involvement the way normal, sane people do. |
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