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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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Germany vs Argentina.
Who are the English going to cheer for? |
Who will Brazil cheer for? Argentina, their hated rival, or Germany, the team that just gave them a thrashing? According to an unscientific poll taken by an NPR reporter in Brazil talking to people on the street, they will root for Germany, and by a large margin. One taxi driver said he has some Argentine friends, and if they win he will never hear the end of it. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Germany is no joke. Prior to this World Cup, they were not satisfied with their options of facilities in Brazil. So they just built their own hotel, practice field, and fitness center. That's hardcore. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| catman wrote: |
Germany vs Argentina.
Who are the English going to cheer for? |
The last time I met a bunch of English in 2002. And a lot of them had tickets to follow England to the final, but since England lost, it was Brazil the games the tickets started following (if you know how WC ticketing schemes work). I asked them who they'd cheer for, after the semi-finals, and all of them said Brazil, and said something like "I'm not cheering for those bloody Germans."
Probably goes back to WWII... lol |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Sector7G wrote: |
| , identifying and training athletic youngsters in 366 districts. |
ie following the former East german olympic model. |
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Chaparrastique wrote: |
| Sector7G wrote: |
| , identifying and training athletic youngsters in 366 districts. |
ie following the former East german olympic model. |
That's a good point. I did not even think about that. Hopefully minus the PEDs. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Hong Myung Bo quit. Hung out to dry by the KFA. |
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Redcap
Joined: 03 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| catman wrote: |
Germany vs Argentina.
Who are the English going to cheer for? |
The last time I met a bunch of English in 2002. And a lot of them had tickets to follow England to the final, but since England lost, it was Brazil the games the tickets started following (if you know how WC ticketing schemes work). I asked them who they'd cheer for, after the semi-finals, and all of them said Brazil, and said something like "I'm not cheering for those bloody Germans."
Probably goes back to WWII... lol |
In the same vein it wouldn't surprise me if there's a couple of English lager louts, unrestrained by political correctness, modelling Argentina jerseys with "Falklands 1982" on the back. |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:11 am Post subject: |
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| Redcap wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
| catman wrote: |
Germany vs Argentina.
Who are the English going to cheer for? |
The last time I met a bunch of English in 2002. And a lot of them had tickets to follow England to the final, but since England lost, it was Brazil the games the tickets started following (if you know how WC ticketing schemes work). I asked them who they'd cheer for, after the semi-finals, and all of them said Brazil, and said something like "I'm not cheering for those bloody Germans."
Probably goes back to WWII... lol |
In the same vein it wouldn't surprise me if there's a couple of English lager louts, unrestrained by political correctness, modelling Argentina jerseys with "Falklands 1982" on the back. |
They would still be more classy than the Argentines.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jun/14/argentina-fifa-malvinas-banner-slovenia |
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:58 am Post subject: |
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I found the following clip with computer assisted graphics extremely helpful as a relative newcomer to the sport who is trying to become more knowledgeable, and I wish they would show things like this more often. Maybe they did where you watched it. Do they do things likes this during the regular season broadcasts back in England? They do for NFL games in the US.
A breakdown of the tactical deficiencies of both Brazil and the Netherlands that led to both sides losing their semifinal matches.
Brazil wasteful, Dutch too conservative
http://www.espnfc.com/fifa-world-cup/4/video/1944061/brazil-wastefuldutch-too-conservative |
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:59 am Post subject: |
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On another note, much debate over whether Javier Mascherano of Argentina should have been allowed back into the match so soon after getting his bell rung in the semi-final. Concussions and head injuries have been a big issue for the NFL, - just this past Monday a federal judge granted preliminary approval to a landmark deal that would compensate thousands of former NFL players for concussion-related claims.
After Javier Mascherano Collision, FIFA Must Take Head Injuries More Seriously
Read more at http://worldsoccertalk.com/2014/07/09/after-javier-mascherano-collision-fifa-must-take-head-injuries-more-seriously/#hOB1ZxbfD8Apfg7A.99
Argentina defensive midfielder Javier Mascherano suffered a significant concussion in Wednesday night’s World Cup semi-final against Netherlands after clashing heads with Georginio Wijnaldum. Seconds after the collision, Mascherano stumbled in a daze, and looked like he was going to fall head first on to the grass, before he turned and fell down. It appeared for a second that Mascherano was going to be completely unconscious, but thanks to the help of the players around him and the medical staff, he slowly but surely regained his composure before being walked off the field.
Just minutes later, he was back on the field....................
........As explained by ESPN World Cup soccer analyst Taylor Twellman, the concern is regarding the possibility of a second hit to a player who is concussed in the game. It’s the second hit that can cause extreme damage................................
.................It shouldn’t be the player or the head coach that makes the decision whether or not the player should return to the field. As Twellman suggested, there should be an independent doctor who can make the determination, especially if it’s in a high-profile game. |
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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"World Cup 2014: Brazil and Netherlands to Play for Third Place, a Game No One Wants"
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/12/sports/worldcup/world-cup-2014-in-consolation-match-heres-to-the-losers.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpSumSmallMediaHigh&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
"The third-place game is an oddity that many coaches, players and fans wish would fade into history. Netherlands Coach Louis van Gaal minced no words about the game.".............
“I think that this match should never be played,” he said. “The worst thing is that there is a chance you are going to lose twice in a row. And in a tournament in which you have played so marvelously well, you go home as a loser.” ..................
"In the United States, third-place games are a long-forgotten anachronism. Perhaps the best-remembered ones are the consolation games at the N.C.A.A. men’s basketball Final Four, which were dropped after 1981."...............
"Van Gaal’s disdain aside, the third-place games at the World Cup have occasionally brought excitement.
The first one (at the second World Cup), in 1934, finished as a 3-2 victory for Germany over Austria, setting a pattern of high scoring that continues to the present. Maybe because the stakes are low, third-place games generally have few cynical fouls, diving or, well, defense. At least three goals have been scored in all but three third-place matches." |
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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| andrewchon wrote: |
USL-PRO is not MLS, no?
Talk about having pride in making your high-school Hall of Fame.
Have news for you: MLS is considered a semi-pro league by the rest of the world. USL-PRO are two notches below that, and is not even a promotional league to MLS. Would you say winning in semi-pro-amateur league as success? If you're small town team like say Genets d'Anglet in French CFA-C, then yes. But Orlando is not a small town, is it? Perhaps what he really meant was, a very ambitious team, then the description fits. Otherwice, success comes only after some major silverware. |
Hey Andrew, I just found out, Orlando even has the beginnings of its own Hooligan tradition. Now don't worry, I'm not trying to compare them to world class Hooligans like those to be found in the UK, in places like Millwall and Newcastle, but just like the team, they are taking baby steps.
Orlando City fan clubs suspended after Rowdies game arrests
http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/orlando-city-fan-clubs-suspended-after-rowdies-game-arrests/2188065
Four Orlando supporters were arrested Sunday on charges of disorderly intoxication and battery of a law enforcement officer. Police said the arrests came after Orlando fans tried to goad Rowdies supporters in the Ralph's Mob section by jumping barriers that officers had put up between the two sections to try to prevent fights.
Stephen Marva, 24, shoved an officer while trying to start a fight, police said. Charles Tolman, 30, hit an officer with a fan flag, police said.
Jimmy Galvez, 28, and Jared Ambrose, 24, were charged with disorderly intoxication after police asked them to move or leave the stadium, police said.
The four men were banned from Orlando City games pending the outcome of their court cases, Rawlins said.
In addition, Rawlins wrote that the club would suspend both its supporter clubs, the Iron Lion Firm and The Ruckus until those groups agree to a new fan code of conduct modeled after Major League Soccer guidelines.
Orlando supporter JR Alvarez said he thought Rawlins' statement was "just and long overdue."
"The ILF and Ruckus have had too much control and have caused problems with our own fans as well as rival fans' teams for a while now," Alvarez said.
Baby steps, Andrew, baby steps!
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Sector7G
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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Christiano Ronaldo, not Ronaldo. They are two different people and there are important differences. Ronaldo is a Brazilian forward who played some decent football and made also-rans into winners. Christiano Ronaldo is a Portugeus winger who has played some decent football but is yet to prove that he can change an ordinary team into winners.
As for the football hooliganism in USA, I doubt it'll happen. Fan bases of American teams are much too diverse. Fan bases of European teams rarely transcend the locality, reliegion and politics. You also need whole bunch of people who have nothing to do in their lives but support the team. |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 6:30 am Post subject: |
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Last predictions for the final?
Germany 3 Argentina 1 |
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