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Cheonmunka
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Damn. We've been deleted. Anyway, I was gonna say that regardless of little issues I reckon we could easily sit together and slurp some drinks.
As I said we all have our own opinions based on our own experiences. And I'm guilty of betraying humanity as much as anyone. Well, maybe a bit less so. I think by our very nature of being human we are all corrupt.
I mean, we all see things that go on. We could change things, but by doing so in many cases would be the demise of our very lives, so we continue on - as someone before suggested is what happens.
PS: I hope the Mods didn't delete this poster. Free speech is paramount!
How else can we learn with our peers? |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea
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| It was always done in a manner of who they were or at most their nationality/culture background. Maybe we'd say, 'He's Maori, or, He's Samoan, but not 'Black and not 'White.' |
Well that is one difference in the US. I am guessing that most people that came from the African continent don't have a clue where they came from. Years of being sold and traded made them lose their identity. Not to mention what percentage of people who are considered black are mixed due to the slave owners just having s ex with the slaves whenever they wanted to. |
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vaberella
Joined: 27 Oct 2007
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| It was always done in a manner of who they were or at most their nationality/culture background. Maybe we'd say, 'He's Maori, or, He's Samoan, but not 'Black and not 'White.' |
Well that is one difference in the US. I am guessing that most people that came from the African continent don't have a clue where they came from. Years of being sold and traded made them lose their identity. Not to mention what percentage of people who are considered black are mixed due to the slave owners just having s ex with the slaves whenever they wanted to. |
This is not just the case of the US. This is the case of Blacks from all over the Americas. When I say the Americas, I specifically mean, Blacks who can trace their family back to the slave trade and who's origins are from South America, The caribbean and West Indies, Central America, the US and Canada. So basically you're speaking a good billion of Blacks in the world and who perpetraded this event? White Europeans who brought these people from Africa to the Americas.
Arabs and a minute amount of Africans (this includes a various amount of different times of Africans--which were not racially defined) played a role in the slave trade but did not bring them over by boat to work on plantations. This specifically separates the state of Blacks in the America's and Blacks in Africa.
Then there was the various levels of race relations which basically had some Blacks as property in the Islands and South America while in the North America they were indentured servitude. Then after the US became independent the US legalized the identity of a Black person as property effectively dehumanizing them (keeping in mind this was done by the British/Spanish/Portugese (White Western Europe) to Blacks in the Caribbean---but was NOT LEGALIZED!!!!).
At the Ultimate failure of the British to continue to lay claim to the US after the British had sucessfully eliminated the influence of the French/Spanish/Portugese within the US and some parts of the Islands. With the success of the US independence the British understanding of race relations changed. This of course was not the same for the Spanish/Portugese/and French.
What people fail to discuss in most schools was that when the Haitian Revolution occured which was around 50 or so years later after the American Revolution, race relations between the Western Powers within the Caribbean and South America changed the property aspect which was NEVER legalized (unlike in the US at the time). When Haiti was effective in eliminating the French/Spanish/British Military, taking over Haiti and then the Dominican Republic this resulted in a effectively weakened Western European Power in the American West. Riots in the neighboring countries were erupting more organized and prolific and many Haitian revolutionaries went over to some of these islands to help organize---although not as much as the Haitian Revolutions wanted to do, but they influenced and inspired a great deal. Haitian Revolutions actually planned to go into the US to do the same after hearing of the treatment of Blacks in the US but that was changed when the Dominicans created a civil war which resulted in their independence from Haiti.
In any event, the idea of Race and racism was defined and developed through White European colonialism of Africa and the slave trade to the Americas. This was when slavery went from cultural initiatives (Before Western European influence (regardless of color)) and alliances to being about race relations. This was further defined and refined when the US was the first state power to ever in existence legally dehumanize slaves as property. No other parts in the world has ever done that. Hence the reason that race and as a result racism was perpetrated by white rich elites. Because everyone knows that a white poor group was just a puppet of the regime to promote more racism and class struggling.
But all in all those who are of the slave race (that's a tongue in cheek and slightly loaded statement) cannot trace their lineage to paticular place and understanding of Africa (they have a general understanding of Western African origin (the main) and some Eastern African---Africa is not a country with one tribe or peoples but hundreds to millions of people and several states-- Black Americas of slave lineage therefore have no identity beyond the Americas (all the Americas)).
The Maori or an Aboriginal has a distinct and elaborate history to their origins since they are like Black Native Australian/New Zealanders (another slightly loaded statement). Most people don't bother doing much studies on this and aren't aware of the understanding of who they are as a people through their oral tradition which effectively separates them from slave identity (although they experienced it) [to clarify--they were not brought there like black slaves, but they were already inhabitants of Australia/Vanuatu/New Zealand and treated as a slave would be treated when they arrived in the American land] and African identity (which some Maori's and Aboriginals today have embraced). Those in America have no origin but a slave ship that might be documented. Their origin then is a FORCED and CREATED peoples of the Americas North to South an all in-between. Maori's and Aboriginals are NOT created or forced people, except to live in the conditions and state they have been forced into. |
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joebj1178514
Joined: 13 Nov 2007
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Another case in point: the American south: White/Black relations. Slaves have been freed for over 100 years, and many white still aren't accepting of it. |
It is always interesting when people bring this up. If you have some insight as to the southern U.S states being any different from the rest of the country in that respect, please enlighten me. I am from the South, and have travelled everywhere imaginable in the U.S, and people's opinions towards eachother (for better or worse) are quite the same. There are pockets of this type of activity throughout the country where groups hate on people of different ethnicities everyway. I hate to see when people generalize the South as being the stereotypical "us against them" thing. |
It's not just the south, racism all over America. It's sad and true, but will never go away. Deep down, everyone hates someone for some superficial reason.
I'm glad everyday that people who are racist in America (you know who you are) and come here and feel for the first time what it feels like to be a minority, they're just getting a taste of their own medicine. Hopefully, experiences like these make them a better person in the long run, but in the mean time, I'm loving it.
Like I was at a club in Seoul and a white boy, who I had a coversation before, came up to me later and said that 'I'd be beat up for pulling something like that back hom.' I replied to him 'Well, we aint home, bud. We're in Korea, and look around. This is the wrong country to be starting something, white boy.' He had a priceless look on his face and walked away. Note, he was really drunk. I didn't really say anything negative to him in our initial conversation. I just said I'd be right back, but never went back because he was a boring as hell and he was trying to get all over a female friend of mine. |
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The Hammer
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ullungdo 37.5 N, 130.9 E, altitude : 223 m
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:34 am Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
Another case in point: the American south: White/Black relations. Slaves have been freed for over 100 years, and many white still aren't accepting of it. |
It is always interesting when people bring this up. If you have some insight as to the southern U.S states being any different from the rest of the country in that respect, please enlighten me. I am from the South, and have travelled everywhere imaginable in the U.S, and people's opinions towards eachother (for better or worse) are quite the same. There are pockets of this type of activity throughout the country where groups hate on people of different ethnicities everyway. I hate to see when people generalize the South as being the stereotypical "us against them" thing. |
It's not just the south, racism all over America. It's sad and true, but will never go away. Deep down, everyone hates someone for some superficial reason.
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Warning: Being white in East Palo Alto, California is a bad idea. |
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bjonothan
Joined: 29 Apr 2003
Location: All over the place
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All this thread has made me realise is that blacks are more racist than whites. Atleast the ones who use this board. I find it funny that their families have struggled for ages because of racism, yet they still feel the need to be racist toward us.
Whites have come a long way. Blacks have just spent the whole time moaning about racism and in fact seem to be the most racist. WTF is that all about?
This thread is racist. To the OP, you wouldn't want to make a statement like that when I am around or you would find yourself on the ground in a pool of blood faster than you can say "I am a racist cunt".
Please don't feed them any more. This thread has nothing valuable about it other than being useful for the blacks to talk about how bad white people are. |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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