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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| transmogrifier wrote: |
Such a long list. Given its extensiveness, have you ever stopped to wonder whether it's less than Koreans hate foreigners, and more that they just hate you?
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 Yes, of course it COULD be me, but generally, I get along well with most people.
In fact, my girlfriend always asks me "Why do Koreans like you so much?" And I've gotten many comments from Koreans along the lines of, "You're one of the good ones." (In other words... foreigners are bad, but among that group, you're pretty good.)
I dress well, look decent, speak a bit of the language, love the food, know a lot of the customs, don't start trouble, and generally try to be respectful if I am shown respect as well. I've traveled a lot and know how to NOT be the 'ugly American' if you know what I mean.
Also, if they do just hate ME, why does this stuff happen to so many others? (Except of course for the tunnel-vision apologists who apparently rarely leave their computers and don't live in the same Korea everyone else does).
One thing I've noticed is that no matter what you do here or how you look or act... the dumb, nonsensical, disrespectful stuff towards foreigners is going to happen at some point regardless. Disrespectful stuff happens everywhere in the world, but generally for something you DO, not for someone you ARE.
And this seems to be true from first year hagwon workers all the way up to business professionals, although the latter group obviously gets more respect relatively speaking. Funny, I was reading a business column about life here and they complained about the BS towards foreigners too. One of the jokes was "What do you call a foreign rocket scientist in Korea?" "An English teacher." That about sums it up.
If I include a list of POSITIVE experiences, of course it outnumbers the negatives, but one has to be realistic about the negatives.
So is it worth it to live and work here? Generally, yeah...especially if it's temporary. It's pretty good overall and luckily there are things that offset the BS, otherwise almost NO foreigners would be here.
A lot of the awkward BS comes from the pissing contest mentality that is so prevalent here, which relates to the topic of this thread and why they have to compare their places/achievements to everyone else's. |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
Location: Insert witty remark HERE
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| Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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Enough incoherant rambling. Time to get sauced. |
On THIS we agree. Probably ONLY this, but oh well.
Peace.  |
Personally, I find that statement offensive. Sauced? What's that supposed to mean? Like ssamjang sauce? Why, because only Koreans drink? And all Koreans are drunks, right?
More disgusting generalizations from SR.
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 4:46 am Post subject: |
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Now one can question the breadth of that experience or the validity of their interpretation of said experience, but to, as you're doing, expect overwhelming statistical evidence is unrealistic and out of place on a forum such as this.
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Except I never asked for "overwhelming statistical evidence" of any kind. I asked for personal anecdotes.
And as an aside I have to add that I'm getting pretty tired of refuting fabricated allegations. Either show us in this thread where I asked for "overwhelming statistical evidence" or quit posting such claims. |
You asked if the person had spoken to everyone in Korea.
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Again I never said any such thing. |
You explicitly asked what percentage of all Koreans (in Korea) the poster had spoken to. You thus asked for statistical evidence and implied that anyone who had not spoken to at least millions of Koreans or how many you believe it would take to be statistically relevant could not make a reasonable statement nor hold a reasonable opinion regarding Koreans.
Why don't you just admit to what you posted? |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
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| atwood wrote: |
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Now one can question the breadth of that experience or the validity of their interpretation of said experience, but to, as you're doing, expect overwhelming statistical evidence is unrealistic and out of place on a forum such as this.
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Except I never asked for "overwhelming statistical evidence" of any kind. I asked for personal anecdotes.
And as an aside I have to add that I'm getting pretty tired of refuting fabricated allegations. Either show us in this thread where I asked for "overwhelming statistical evidence" or quit posting such claims. |
You asked if the person had spoken to everyone in Korea.
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Again I never said any such thing. |
You explicitly asked what percentage of all Koreans (in Korea) the poster had spoken to. You thus asked for statistical evidence and implied that anyone who had not spoken to at least millions of Koreans or how many you believe it would take to be statistically relevant could not make a reasonable statement nor hold a reasonable opinion regarding Koreans.
Why don't you just admit to what you posted? |
Yeah, for real. Someone has a short/selective memory. It's always the same "Have you got links/stats for that? It's the same/worse in other countries". When someone calls her/him out on it the backtracking begins. Funny stuff from someone that uses this as part of their online persona: "Location: It's not a superiority complex when you really are superior". |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat May 25, 2013 3:32 am Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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Now one can question the breadth of that experience or the validity of their interpretation of said experience, but to, as you're doing, expect overwhelming statistical evidence is unrealistic and out of place on a forum such as this.
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Except I never asked for "overwhelming statistical evidence" of any kind. I asked for personal anecdotes.
And as an aside I have to add that I'm getting pretty tired of refuting fabricated allegations. Either show us in this thread where I asked for "overwhelming statistical evidence" or quit posting such claims. |
You asked if the person had spoken to everyone in Korea.
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Again I never said any such thing. |
You explicitly asked what percentage of all Koreans (in Korea) the poster had spoken to. |
Now see that's better.
At first you claimed
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| "You asked if the person had spoken to EVERYONE in Korea" |
Now realizing that that first allegation was completely untrue you've now backpedaled it to "You explicitly asked what percentage of all Koreans (in Korea) the poster had spoken to."
There's hope for you yet. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sat May 25, 2013 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. BlackCat wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Enough incoherant rambling. Time to get sauced. |
On THIS we agree. Probably ONLY this, but oh well.
Peace. |
Personally, I find that statement offensive. Sauced? What's that supposed to mean? Like ssamjang sauce? Why, because only Koreans drink? And all Koreans are drunks, right?
More disgusting generalizations from SR.
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Touche Senor Negro Gato. Touche. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat May 25, 2013 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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Now realizing that that first allegation was completely untrue you've now backpedaled it to "You explicitly asked what percentage of all Koreans (in Korea) the poster had spoken to."
There's hope for you yet. |
You're not fooling anyone trying to score points by proving someone misquoted something you said ten pages back. The point is you asked people to back up what they were saying with numbers, which, in this context, was daft. Admit it and there may be hope for you yet. |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Sat May 25, 2013 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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Now realizing that that first allegation was completely untrue you've now backpedaled it to "You explicitly asked what percentage of all Koreans (in Korea) the poster had spoken to."
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You're not fooling anyone trying to score points by proving someone misquoted something you said ten pages back. The point is you asked people to back up what they were saying with numbers, which, in this context, was daft. Admit it and there may be hope for you yet. |
Yep, that's semantics. It was amusing that she/he ends the post by saying "There's hope for you yet." |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 12:23 am Post subject: |
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Now realizing that that first allegation was completely untrue you've now backpedaled it to "You explicitly asked what percentage of all Koreans (in Korea) the poster had spoken to."
There's hope for you yet. |
You're not fooling anyone trying to score points by proving someone misquoted something you said ten pages back. The point is you asked people to back up what they were saying with numbers, which, in this context, was daft. Admit it and there may be hope for you yet. |
You're not fooling anyone by trying to pretend this was about numbers..THAT argument is about ten pages back. For the last three pages we have been arguing whether or not he misquoted me. At least you admit that he did misquote me which is what he has been denying for said last three pages along with his cheerleaders, you and that other guy. Now that you and he seem to have realized that he did misquote me, then so as far as I am concerned that argument is over.
As for the other poster I asked the guy to back up his point with personal stories. He did so and we dropped it. Also over. We're moving on. Why don't you? |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 1:24 am Post subject: |
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| As for the other poster I asked the guy to back up his point with personal stories. He did so and we dropped it. Also over. We're moving on. Why don't you? |
Oh I see now. All the time I thought you were making a general point about people not backing up what they said with numbers/statistics but actually you just wanted to hear those two anecdotes from that one guy (Cabeza) and no one else. Just to make sure he wasn't a liar. I get it now. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
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| atwood wrote: |
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| atwood wrote: |
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Now one can question the breadth of that experience or the validity of their interpretation of said experience, but to, as you're doing, expect overwhelming statistical evidence is unrealistic and out of place on a forum such as this.
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Except I never asked for "overwhelming statistical evidence" of any kind. I asked for personal anecdotes.
And as an aside I have to add that I'm getting pretty tired of refuting fabricated allegations. Either show us in this thread where I asked for "overwhelming statistical evidence" or quit posting such claims. |
You asked if the person had spoken to everyone in Korea.
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Again I never said any such thing. |
You explicitly asked what percentage of all Koreans (in Korea) the poster had spoken to. |
Now see that's better.
At first you claimed
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| "You asked if the person had spoken to EVERYONE in Korea" |
Now realizing that that first allegation was completely untrue you've now backpedaled it to "You explicitly asked what percentage of all Koreans (in Korea) the poster had spoken to."
There's hope for you yet. |
But no hope for you. You knew what you posted from the first and denied it. You can carp about being called out, but you can't hide. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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Now realizing that that first allegation was completely untrue you've now backpedaled it to "You explicitly asked what percentage of all Koreans (in Korea) the poster had spoken to."
There's hope for you yet. |
You're not fooling anyone trying to score points by proving someone misquoted something you said ten pages back. The point is you asked people to back up what they were saying with numbers, which, in this context, was daft. Admit it and there may be hope for you yet. |
You're not fooling anyone by trying to pretend this was about numbers..THAT argument is about ten pages back. For the last three pages we have been arguing whether or not he misquoted me. At least you admit that he did misquote me which is what he has been denying for said last three pages along with his cheerleaders, you and that other guy. Now that you and he seem to have realized that he did misquote me, then so as far as I am concerned that argument is over.
As for the other poster I asked the guy to back up his point with personal stories. He did so and we dropped it. Also over. We're moving on. Why don't you? |
Ha ha! Hoisted on your own petard. I never quoted you, so I couldn't misquote you.
"As far as I'm concerned.." I dig the self-congratulating superciliousness. |
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