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Adam Carolla
Joined: 26 Feb 2010
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Oh jesus christ.
The guy implied Korean women don't get abortions. It doesn't matter that the stats are 10 years old because it proves that assertion wrong. Korean women 10 years ago were getting abortions at an incredibly high rate, therefore Korean women do get abortions, there isn't some cultural trend that says they don't. I've also explained why more recent stats aren't available (because it's illegal). I'm not trying to sweep 2013 stats under the rug here, I'm using the most recent most reliable stats that are still completely relevant.
What you are doing is "questioning" facts without offering anything yourself. Like how Fox News just 'asks questions'. "Is Obama a Socialist??!!!!!" They're not saying he is, they're just asking the question! It's an old trick used by people who have a lot of politics, but not so many facts, on their side. |
Don't get worked up. He's an idiot. |
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PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:52 am Post subject: |
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Generally speaking, K girls can be stand offish because if they're not a K man may take it as a license to pursue with vigor. Plus, most dating here is arranged through intermediaries and potential partners are 'vetted', thus taking the guess work out of whether or not a guy is a decent potential catch to begin with. Like it or not, thems da rules and the realities of mingling here.
So look at the OP from their perspective. Young and foreign so probably doesn't speak the language and more than probably a short timer here on the peninsula of dreams. Add to this a person possibly pretty low on the societal totem pole about whom little can be found out and nobody can vouch for.
No, the OP said he isn't the least bit interested in dating K girls, but unless he's sporting a T-shirt saying as much, and saying it in Korean, you can't expect girls to do an about face. Try picking up some of the language and being friendly and you might be surprised. I've seldom met women here who are as put offish as the OP describes. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 1:01 am Post subject: |
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| Korean women are going to Japan these days to get their abortions. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 3:23 am Post subject: |
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| PRagic wrote: |
Generally speaking, K girls can be stand offish because if they're not a K man may take it as a license to pursue with vigor. Plus, most dating here is arranged through intermediaries and potential partners are 'vetted', thus taking the guess work out of whether or not a guy is a decent potential catch to begin with. Like it or not, thems da rules and the realities of mingling here.
So look at the OP from their perspective. Young and foreign so probably doesn't speak the language and more than probably a short timer here on the peninsula of dreams. Add to this a person possibly pretty low on the societal totem pole about whom little can be found out and nobody can vouch for.
No, the OP said he isn't the least bit interested in dating K girls, but unless he's sporting a T-shirt saying as much, and saying it in Korean, you can't expect girls to do an about face. Try picking up some of the language and being friendly and you might be surprised. I've seldom met women here who are as put offish as the OP describes. |
Remember the OP wrote this in 2008. I do recall that at that time. C-blocking, social pressure, media making up stories about English teachers at the time, etc. Nowadays, women here are much less so. They are much more friendly. |
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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This would explain a lot.
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Gender Ratio Gets Worse for Marriageable Korean Men
Men will find it harder than ever to find a bride as the sex ratio at the age of first marriage declines in their disfavor. According to Chosun Ilbo analysis of Statistics Korea's 2010 census, the population at first marriage age -- 29-33 for men and 26-30 for women -- will rise from 111 men per 100 women this year to 119 in 2012, and to 123 in 2013 and 2014. The ratio is expected to decline a little to 119 men per 100 women the following year.
Men aged 29-33 will outnumber women aged 26-30 by about 190,000 this year, by 318,000 in 2012, by 360,000 in 2013, by 340,000 in 2014, and by 275,000 in 2015. Last year they outnumbered women by only 70,000.
The imbalance is partly due to the traditional preference for sons in Korean society, since people born in the years when this trend had the most noticeable effect are now reaching marriageable age. The number of single men in their mid-30s will increase significantly from next year, and experts predict that there will be more pairings of younger men with older women or between bachelors and divorcees.
Prof. Cho Nam-hoon of Hanyang University said since people are increasingly taking their time to get married, the imbalance will not be immediately noticeable, but it will become "a big social issue in five or six years."
◆ 2nd Baby Boomer Generation
Many babies were born in 1955-1963 when life stabilized after the Korean War. When they grew up, these first-generation baby boomers in turn tended to have a lot of children between 1979 and 1983. These children of the so-called second baby boom are now in the 29-32 age group.
They have not had it easy. By 1999, the group experienced the most competitive college entrance exams yet, and when they graduated the country was hit by a recession, so they found it extremely difficult to land jobs. And now the men among them are expected to have trouble finding a partner.
There are 386,000 29-year-old men and 409,000 30-year-old men, compared to a mere 281,600 24-year-old women and 317,000 27-year-old women, assuming that that is the normal age difference for eligible bachelors and women.
In the mid-80s, baby gender testing and abortions were rampant to determine the sex of children. As a result, the male-female ratio tipped in favor of boys to the extent that their number exceeds 110 per 100 women over a decade from 1986.
It seems young men are now paying the price for the older generation's preference for sons.
◆ More Unconventional Marriages
It seems likely that many men who have failed to find a partner who fits the conventional parameters will marry foreign women, older women, or divorcees.
The number of foreign brides has declined after peaking at 30,000 in 2005, but that is expected to rise again.
More men are also marrying women who are one or two years older, accounting for 11 percent, or 27,000, of all marriages last year. The age gap and frequency of such marriages are expected to grow.
[email protected] / Jun. 14, 2011 07:12 KST |
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2011/06/14/2011061400321.html |
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jcd
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 3:43 am Post subject: |
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Any country that requires mandatory military service should have it for women and men. Only for men is ridic.
It screws up the culture and is a contributing factor in the development of haughty hotties. |
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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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It allows men to justify being sexist and putting a low glass ceiling over women. Women should have mandatory community service in exchange.
| guavashake wrote: |
Any country that requires mandatory military service should have it for women and men. Only for men is ridic.
It screws up the culture and is a contributing factor in the development of haughty hotties. |
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trueblue
Joined: 15 Jun 2014
Location: In between the lines
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:05 am Post subject: |
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| It allows men to justify being sexist and putting a low glass ceiling over women. Women should have mandatory community service in exchange |
Well in that case, women should get knocked the phuck out, just like men...right? |
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motiontodismiss
Joined: 18 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:27 am Post subject: |
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Any country that requires mandatory military service should have it for women and men. Only for men is ridic.
It screws up the culture and is a contributing factor in the development of haughty hotties. |
The military should be forced to pay at least the minimum wage if they want to impose mandatory service on anyone(male OR female) and be subject to labor laws, or otherwise be forced to hire from the open market. They don't get to hide in the veil of patriotism or anticommunism or whatever such nonsense just because they're the military.
The government shouldn't get to pawn off THEIR obligations on their citizenry. National defense is the sole responsibility of the government.
Anyways, back to the topic: I've heard that some women will tell you openly and notoriously that they want to live in a certain very expensive apartment building in Yongsan or Gangnam. Friend of mine asked me what I'd do when faced with someone like that. My answer? Save up for it, but good luck, that's a lot of money. |
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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 6:04 am Post subject: |
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I don't know what the hell you are saying.
I just think men get a real bad hand dealt to them in this country. A lot of expectations are put on them as soon as they come out of the womb with a *beep* attached to their crotch.
Women getting it 'easy' justifies sexism. I have heard it from the mouth of Korean men. Though I don't agree with it, I can empathise with their point of view.
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| It allows men to justify being sexist and putting a low glass ceiling over women. Women should have mandatory community service in exchange |
Well in that case, women should get knocked the phuck out, just like men...right? |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| motiontodismiss wrote: |
The military should be forced to pay at least the minimum wage if they want to impose mandatory service on anyone(male OR female) and be subject to labor laws, or otherwise be forced to hire from the open market. They don't get to hide in the veil of patriotism or anticommunism or whatever such nonsense just because they're the military.
The government shouldn't get to pawn off THEIR obligations on their citizenry. National defense is the sole responsibility of the government. |
The problem with that then they won't be able to have as many soldiers. They'd be lucky if they could top 100,000 soldiers if it were voluntary. And with North Korea staring you down with 1 million troops, it would be a major mismatch.
BTW, with conscription the South Korean army is around 600,000 strong. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| motiontodismiss wrote: |
| guavashake wrote: |
Any country that requires mandatory military service should have it for women and men. Only for men is ridic.
It screws up the culture and is a contributing factor in the development of haughty hotties. |
The military should be forced to pay at least the minimum wage if they want to impose mandatory service on anyone(male OR female) and be subject to labor laws, or otherwise be forced to hire from the open market. They don't get to hide in the veil of patriotism or anticommunism or whatever such nonsense just because they're the military.
The government shouldn't get to pawn off THEIR obligations on their citizenry. National defense is the sole responsibility of the government.
Anyways, back to the topic: I've heard that some women will tell you openly and notoriously that they want to live in a certain very expensive apartment building in Yongsan or Gangnam. Friend of mine asked me what I'd do when faced with someone like that. My answer? Save up for it, but good luck, that's a lot of money. |
If you're smart, you'll run like hell when you meet someone like that. Plenty of gold diggers in Asia, especially the ones with a traditional mindset. Most of these are in their 40's and up. A lot of younger ones seem to have more western attitudes, though exceptions still abound.
I've heard stories of older Asian men being married to women like this. Older ajumma who still look at themselves in the mirror telling everyone around them how beautiful they are and wanting to spend hubby's money. Poor stooges know she'll take the kids and avoid him if he divroces or leaves. They ought to man up, but I get the impression some of these guys couldn't have gotten a really attractive woman except for having some good company job. Sad truth. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| motiontodismiss wrote: |
It screws up the culture and is a contributing factor in the development of haughty hotties.
The military should be forced to pay at least the minimum wage if they want to impose mandatory service on anyone(male OR female) and be subject to labor laws, or otherwise be forced to hire from the open market. They don't get to hide in the veil of patriotism or anticommunism or whatever such nonsense just because they're the military.
The government shouldn't get to pawn off THEIR obligations on their citizenry. National defense is the sole responsibility of the government. |
Good post. It's rediculous the government forces people into conscription while breaking it's own labor laws. Getting 500won per hour while being expected to kill and die for your country is something that happens in third world dictatorships, not in an advanced modern democracy.
Conscription contributes to the marginalization of women in Korea. You hear often how guys need go into the military to "become a person." You're not a "real Korean" until you have served. Women (and handicapped men) are effectively second class citizens.
| trueblue wrote: |
Well in that case, women should get knocked the phuck out, just like men...right? |
What's this shit even supposed to mean? Is anyone saying men should be get knocked out? |
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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:53 am Post subject: |
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Trueblue is lacking upstairs.
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| motiontodismiss wrote: |
It screws up the culture and is a contributing factor in the development of haughty hotties.
The military should be forced to pay at least the minimum wage if they want to impose mandatory service on anyone(male OR female) and be subject to labor laws, or otherwise be forced to hire from the open market. They don't get to hide in the veil of patriotism or anticommunism or whatever such nonsense just because they're the military.
The government shouldn't get to pawn off THEIR obligations on their citizenry. National defense is the sole responsibility of the government. |
Good post. It's rediculous the government forces people into conscription while breaking it's own labor laws. Getting 500won per hour while being expected to kill and die for your country is something that happens in third world dictatorships, not in an advanced modern democracy.
Conscription contributes to the marginalization of women in Korea. You hear often how guys need go into the military to "become a person." You're not a "real Korean" until you have served. Women (and handicapped men) are effectively second class citizens.
| trueblue wrote: |
Well in that case, women should get knocked the phuck out, just like men...right? |
What's this shit even supposed to mean? Is anyone saying men should be get knocked out? |
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