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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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So, now you FOLLOW Jones' sterling leadership? You're an idiot. There is a step after observation. Noticing something then requires checking into it, i.e. investigating. THEN you form a hypothesis and do the RESEARCH.
Enough of this. You're not investigating, you've made up your mind. You're a damned fool and wasting my time. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:36 am Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| So, now you FOLLOW Jones' sterling leadership? You're an idiot. There is a step after observation. Noticing something then requires checking into it, i.e. investigating. THEN you form a hypothesis and do the RESEARCH. |
Maybe this web site is more on your level:
http://www.biology4kids.com/files/studies_scimethod.html
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| Scientists start with observations and then make a hypothesis (a guess), and then the fun begins. They must then prove their hypothesis with trials and tests that show why their data and results are correct. They must use controls, which are quantitative (based on values and figures, not emotions). Science needs both ideas (the hypothesis) and facts (the quantitative results) to move forward. Scientists can then examine their data and develop newer ideas. This process will lead to more observation and refinement of hypotheses. |
Let me recap for you:
1. Observation
2. Hypothesis
3. Testing of the hypothesis
4. repeat steps 1-3
5 years, 5 months, and 20 days later, you're still stuck in step 1.  Wake us up when you get your hypothesis. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:06 am Post subject: |
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EFLtrainer's lack of understanding of the research process leads me to suspect that he has yet to read an actual research paper in any field, let alone those fields relevant to understanding structural failure.
First getting shown up in the logic thread, now this. And yet he's always the first to accuse others of stupidity. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:09 am Post subject: |
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Your process is over-simplified. If you had ever actually done any research, you would know that.
Let us get back to the point on huff that is actually salient: he is not investigating. Huff has, in fact, decided. Thus, he has no standing on the issue of investigation/objectivity/process. He entered the thread(s) on the topic with a conclusion, not a hypothesis.
Done on this. If you've nothing to add on the topic, kindly refrain from posting further. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| Your process is over-simplified. If you had ever actually done any research, you would know that. |
You can't comprehend the over-simplified version, so why would I even try to start introducing something more complicated?
And I reckon I've done a lot more research than you. Which is precisely why the idea of trying to research something without a hypothesis strikes me as so ridiculous.
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| Let us get back to the point on huff that is actually salient: he is not investigating. Huff has, in fact, decided. Thus, he has no standing on the issue of investigation/objectivity/process. He entered the thread(s) on the topic with a conclusion, not a hypothesis. |
Wrong, wrong, wrong. That you've somehow decided what I think, and then use that to attack me for already having "decided", is rather ironic. Don't you think?
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| Done on this. If you've nothing to add on the topic, kindly refrain from posting further. |
 Okay, pot.
H0: The impact from the airplanes and resulting fires brought down WTCs 1 & 2. The resulting damage and fires in WTC7 also led to its collapse. No explosives were used
H1: The WTCs were brought down by a controlled demolition.
Now let's see yours. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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H0: The impact from the airplanes and resulting fires brought down WTCs 1 & 2. The resulting damage and fires in WTC7 also led to its collapse. No explosives were used
H1: The WTCs were brought down by a controlled demolition. |
That's all? Christ... This is a perfect example of how simplistic you are. You are not attempting real debate. You are playing sandbox, bullshit games.
As for your protestations, your actiosn and words both show you have zero interest in any theory that falls outside the government's.
Again, if you've nothing to add to the thread, as in information or new analysis, shush. |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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Eflnobrainer is a complete and udder moran, nuff said~!
Some of EFLnobrainer's buds:
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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This, you goofs, is evidence. See if you can understand the concept.
William Rodriguez
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Interview: The untold story of September 11
...up to 75 per cent of Americans believing their government hasn't told them the whole truth about that tragic day.
World Trade Centre janitor William Rodriguez was there when the aircraft struck the Towers and was decorated for his heroism in rescuing survivors.
..."I was on B1 level, talking to my supervisor, when we suddenly heard a massive explosion," he says.
"It was so strong the walls began to crumble and the false ceiling fell on top of us.
"Then, seconds later, there was another explosion way above, which made the building sway from side to side. And this, we later discovered, was the first plane hitting the North Tower on the 90th floor."
Rodriguez became a national hero as a result of his actions that day and was honoured five times at the White House. But all that changed when he started asking some very awkward questions.
...Why had he heard a massive explosion from the basement seconds before the first aircraft hit?
...A recent poll by the respected New York Times revealed three out of four Americans now suspect the US government of not telling the truth about 9/11. That proportion has shot up from a year ago, when half the population said they didn't believe the official story.
...Needless to say, White House sources and US intelligence services have roundly denied and condemned the allegations, but nagging suspicions remain and are now being furiously debated on both sides of the Atlantic. |
The Story
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"I was talking to my supervisor when I heard boom', very loud, and everybody in the room was pushed upwards," he says.
The impact shook the whole building, and everyone in the office - about 15 in all - started screaming.
There was worse to come. Suddenly a man came running into the room, shouting, "Explosion!
Explosion!"
The man was Felipe David, whose job, Rodriguez later discovered, was to replenish the vending machines. He had been standing in front of a lift about 400 yards from the office when a fireball had burst out of the lift shaft...
"Now you tell me how an explosion from a jet liner could have burnt a man 90 floors down within seconds of impact?"
...By this time, firefighters had arrived at the scene.
Rodriguez quickly led them up the stairwell of the North Tower, unlocking doors with a master key, one of only five that opened every door in the building.
And then a series of strange things happened which remain unexplained to this day.
As they ascended the stairwell, they heard a series of massive explosions between the 20th and 30th floors. Then, on the 33rd floor, they heard what sounded like heavy equipment being dragged across the level above.
This was particularly puzzling because [b]Rodriguez knew the 34th floor was empty and had been off limits for weeks due to a construction project.[/b]
...The metal-framed front doors to the building had been blown out, leaving a gaping chasm, and the bottoms of the lift doors had been blown open, suggesting a powerful explosion from the basement.
...Overnight, Rodriguez was feted as a hero and became a symbol of 9/11.
He was interviewed on countless TV stations and later received a National Hero Award from the Senate of Puerto Rico.
...It wasn't long before the Republicans recognised the power of his appeal, not least to the all important Hispanic community which held 30 million votes in its sway. They asked him to run for office, sending him to train at the Governing Institute to learn about politics.
...Why were no military aircraft scrambled in time to head off the attacks and why did the President, sitting in a school classroom, show little reaction when an aide told him a second aircraft had crashed into the Twin Towers?
Had he known about it all along?
These were just some of the questions Americans wanted answered, and Rodriguez was among the many who demanded a formal investigation - which ultimately became the 9/11 Commission.
...Rodriguez was one of the last to testify to the Commission and the only witness to speak behind closed doors.
When I ask why, he laughs and says: "Thank you.
I have been asking the same question. Every other testimony was shown on TV. Everyone else had a public hearing."
The interview process was a travesty, he says. They didn't call one of his 20 expert witnesses and his account was edited out of the Commission's report.
...NIST said the explosion might have been caused by a fireball travelling from the aircraft down the central lift shaft. In that case, replied Rodriguez, why were the two people he rescued from the lift not burnt to death?
...Dissatisfied, he filed a civil lawsuit against the Bush administration in 2004, claiming a conspiracy.
The government filed a motion in turn, dismissing the case on the grounds of national security.
Rodriguez and his team then responded by filing an affidavit alleging the defendants "had knowledge that the attacks were impending but failed to take countermeasures because they desired such attacks to occur".
In 2005, his attorney also proposed a 9/11 petition to the UN, calling for a resolution of the UN General Assembly for an independent September 11 truth commission.
Needless to say, this has made Rodriguez many enemies and he alleges his apartment has been broken into and his laptop stolen. He has also been placed on the no-fly list.
He laughs. "I'm a national hero but I'm on the no-fly list, which means every time I want to fly, the authorities put me in a room and ask me questions. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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H0: The impact from the airplanes and resulting fires brought down WTCs 1 & 2. The resulting damage and fires in WTC7 also led to its collapse. No explosives were used
H1: The WTCs were brought down by a controlled demolition. |
That's all? Christ... This is a perfect example of how simplistic you are. You are not attempting real debate. You are playing sandbox, *beep* games. |
Just trying to guide you through the process step by step. You seem to have a hard time understanding the scientific process and I didn't want to scare you away with something more complicated. Let's see your hypothesis and will work from there.
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| As for your protestations, your actiosn and words both show you have zero interest in any theory that falls outside the government's. |
Hmm, no. If I wasn't interested, I wouldn't read them. I wouldn't think about them. And I certainly wouldn't get involved trying to discuss them with people who are unable to understand the scientific process, much less use logic or intelligence to solve problems. Besides, I thought you didn't have a theory?
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| Again, if you've nothing to add to the thread, as in information or new analysis, shush. |
Quiet the opposition. Now that's open minded.
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| This, you goofs, is evidence. See if you can understand the concept. |
Evidence of what  |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Again, if you've nothing to add to the thread, as in information or new analysis, shush. |
Quiet the opposition. Now that's open minded. |
What a moron. Quiet the opposition? Can you read? I said nothing about NOT posting info/evidence.
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| This, you goofs, is evidence. See if you can understand the concept. |
Evidence of what |
Can't be bothered to read? Yeah, you want honest engagement.... |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| This, you goofs, is evidence. See if you can understand the concept. |
Evidence of what |
Can't be bothered to read? Yeah, you want honest engagement.... |
What is it evidence of? In your own words. It's a simple question. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:07 am Post subject: |
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http://www.theargus.co.uk/misc/print.php?artid=1219050
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"I was on B1 level, talking to my supervisor, when we suddenly heard a massive explosion," he says.
"It was so strong the walls began to crumble and the false ceiling fell on top of us. |
Interesting. But this is what he said on 9/11 itself:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.24.html
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| RODRIGUEZ: I was in the basement, which is the support floor for the maintenance company, and we hear like a big rumble. Not like an impact, like a rumble, like moving furniture in a massive way. And all of sudden we hear another rumble, and a guy comes running, running into our office, and all of skin was off his body. All of the skin. |
Hmmm. Not a very thurough job of investigating there, EFLT. Are you a bad investigator or just an investigator with an agenda? |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:47 am Post subject: |
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| This, you goofs, is evidence. See if you can understand the concept. |
Evidence of what |
Can't be bothered to read? Yeah, you want honest engagement.... |
What is it evidence of? In your own words. It's a simple question. |
No, it's a disengenious question. Just another form of disinformation. Also known as lie.
Yes, pretending you don't understand something you fully well do in order to distract, mislead or otherwise obfuscate, is lying. Why would you pretend that the man's statements about explosions and bombs and his belief that the government was in on it do not speak for themselves?
Fool. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:33 am Post subject: |
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What is it evidence of? In your own words. It's a simple question. |
No, it's a disengenious question. Just another form of disinformation. Also known as lie. |
Why can't you answer the question?!?! It's not disinformation. It's no information at all. All I want to know is what you think it's evidence of.
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| Yes, pretending you don't understand something you fully well do in order to distract, mislead or otherwise obfuscate, is lying. Why would you pretend that the man's statements about explosions and bombs and his belief that the government was in on it do not speak for themselves? |
Dude. I'm not asking what he believes. I'm asking what you believe it shows. And I'd like to know why as well. But I know that's asking for way too much brain power on your part.
Oh, and by the way, how does he, or you for that matter, explain away his different characterizations of the events. On 9/11 it was a "rumble." Four years later, it was an "explosion."  Maybe he got caught up in the thrill of being a cult celebrity? |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:29 am Post subject: |
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WTC 9/11 Explosions
Some clips I've never seen before. Some I have. Take a look. |
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