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byrddogs

Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:49 am Post subject:

I'm hoping to hear back from the TJ guy on where he and his family experienced the racism in the States. I'd like to avoid those areas if possible.

Died By Bear

Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:59 am Post subject:

byrddogs wrote:

I'm hoping to hear back from the TJ guy on where he and his family experienced the racism in the States. I'd like to avoid those areas if possible.

How about simple bad attitudes towards Asians? I've watched my wife go through a checkout line at a major supermarket where the cashier wouldn't acknowledge her as she did with four customers ahead of her. More than once. This was in Nevada, Arizona and SoCal. Major cities. It happens. Just stand back and let her go through the checkout line. No, it doesn't happen every single time, but once is enough to notice. Maybe they assume Asians can't speak English, or they just look down on people with an accent, no matter how much more educated than themselves the people they're looking down are.

Just stand back and observe them. Make sure they don't know you're together. Then next time, go through the checkout line together and watch how they greet you when you're together. It doesn't bother my wife, she lets everything slide off her back, she's a strong woman.

byrddogs

Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:06 am Post subject:

Died By Bear wrote:

byrddogs wrote:

I'm hoping to hear back from the TJ guy on where he and his family experienced the racism in the States. I'd like to avoid those areas if possible.

Ok, so we've got NV, AZ, and SoCal from personal account. I'll avoid those places. I've travelled back with the wife (Asian) to my neck of the woods (FL, GA and NC) and we haven't experienced that at all. We'll go back again this summer. I'll be sure to be on high alert this time in case I just missed it the other times and report back.

jazzmaster

Joined: 30 Sep 2013

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:29 am Post subject:

I've had two experiences in the UK that relate to the treatment of Asians. One was my friend telling me about his son's experience in school. His son was in a verbal argument with another lad, and the lad made an insult about my friend's son being Asian. When the headteacher found out, the other lad was given a real ticking off, and they put a mark on his record. I guess that shows how schools are trying to stomp out this kind of thing. The other experience was when I was out shopping in the city with my Korean girlfriend. At Topshop a lad working at the counter said something to the girl behind the counter, had a cackle, then gave us a bit of a dickish look. I couldn't be sure he was talking about us, but I have my suspicions. My girlfriend also commented that when she is out with me she tends to get better service overall. It's difficult for me to prove what she says and without personal experience it's hard to fully understand, but I have no reason to doubt her. I guess I'm trying to say that we shouldn't be so quick to discount what posters are saying happened to them.

Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:07 pm Post subject:

jazzmaster wrote:

It's difficult for me to prove what she says and without personal experience it's hard to fully understand, but I have no reason to doubt her. I guess I'm trying to say that we shouldn't be so quick to discount what posters are saying happened to them.

Right. A healthy dose of skepticism certainly has high value - especially online. And hell, as a general rule, I like watching byrddogs tear into some fools, heh. But this thread does seem geared toward eliciting anecdotes on par with T-J's, so it seems counterproductive to tear one down in systematic fashion simply because it doesn't agree with the expected narrative.

The only thing I'd comment on is, it's important to relate this back to the original topic. T-J did this, he mentioned his family's experiences here in Korea, which is kind of central to the topic.

AfroBurrito

Joined: 19 Dec 2013

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:08 pm Post subject:

Jongno2bucheon wrote:

AfroBurrito wrote:

Jongno2bucheon wrote:

AfroBurrito wrote:

Jongno2bucheon wrote:

AfroBurrito wrote:

I am mixed race. Black/Latina. And am now pregnant with a Black/Latin/Korean...whom I hope will be very happy and proud to be mixed race.

I fear what this may mean for his/her life in Korea (his father wants us to stay in Korea to make money, and then return to the States), because while Korea does appear to have made significant progress in its views on foreigners wedded to Koreans, I read just as many horrifying stories about children being bullied and taunted for not being "real" Koreans. I'll not be subjecting my child to such nonsense if it can be helped.

It happens to Asian American kids all the time. We are told we are not American all the time, even though we were born in the US and grew up there. I imagine that happens way less to other ethnicities

While I am mixed Black/Latina I look more Latina, with the exception of my hair. Thus inducing many a redneck or mindless fool to call me and my cousins "beaners" or encourage us to "Go back to Mexico!" I am from Texas. Experiences are probably different depending upon where one lives. The SF Bay Area has tended to embrace diversity more, but we cannot all live in enlightened communities.

I hear that too occasionally, even in Los Angeles. " go back to where you came from" ! All while they are in a car driving away of course and probably visiting from a different state driving on my tax paid roads.

Bay Area is diverse, but not the heart of SF.... Outside of the mission district its hard to see Mexicans around. SF lays the carpet down for east coast whites, even over the old school hippies it seems. Across the bay bridge is another story though.

What about Dallas? Do you think its okay and diverse there?

I only worked in San Francisco. I lived in Oakland. I hella <3 Oakland!

I am from Austin, which claims to be ethnically and racially diverse, but really isn't. There is a different type of diversity to be had there. In my opinion Houston is far more diverse than the other Texas cities, but it gets a bad rap because it is enormous, ugly, and humid. I actually think Houston has loads of charm in the right spots. But that's just me.

Dallas is waaaaaay too hoighty-toighty and conservative for me. George W. Bush chose SMU for his Presidential library and Dallas as his home for a reason.

People think of Dallas as our Debutante city.

Ahhh hahaha oh no. I had my hopes up for Dallas.

Yeah i like oakland too. East bay is a cool place. The best place imo outside of LA and Hawaii. ^^

But one thing about texas i like is that there seems to be less creepy white doods there that love fetishizing on Asian girls. That is about the only part of conservatism i like. But yeah thanks for the heads up about dallas! I think with your kids backgroundthey are already prime candidates to be the next mayor of Los Angeles, lemme know if you need a campaign manager. Kk Wink

I want my son or daughter to stay as far away from politics as possible, but will support his/her aspirations, no matter what. But thanks for the offer! Very Happy

byrddogs

Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai

Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 2:10 am Post subject:

Zyzyfer wrote:

The only thing I'd comment on is, it's important to relate this back to the original topic. T-J did this, he mentioned his family's experiences here in Korea, which is kind of central to the topic.

That's pretty fair, man. I'm going to go ahead and bow out of this thread, as I can't actually fairly comment on the op. I suggest others that can't either do the same.

Newbie

Joined: 07 Feb 2003

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:11 am Post subject:

krnpowr wrote:

You don't understand. And anyone can throw their two-cents worth in, but that doesn't mean they know squat. I don't know any Asian-American that didn't put up with racial harassment on a regular basis. All these "ESL teachers" in Korea have a "slight" taste of racism for the first time in their lives and they claim that Korea is the most racist place on earth and only they can feel the burden of such grievances. Pfft... Frickin cry me a river. Embarassed

It burns now that the shoe is on the other foot, don't it? But don't think foreigners in Korea have it worse than Asians in the West, because they don't!

I kinda get the general sentiment of your post: Asians in the West can have a hard time, harder than many university educated, White Liberals realize. And that a lot of Whites here often do over-react to perceived racism here. As well, there's definitely a sense of the "shoe is on the other foot" going on. Some guys pick up on this, some don't.

But three things just make you sound like a dolt. First, "krnpowr". With a handle like that it's obvious you're full of it.

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I don't know any Asian-American that didn't put up with racial harassment on a regular basis

Seriously? How many Asian-Americans do you actually know? That statement sounds like pure crap, or a compelte exageration. While I would say every Asian-Canadian I've ever know has at sometime put up with some harsh racist crap, few of them would ever say it's a regular thing. (I actually just called one of my best buds, and then walked around the office and talked to three other guys. They confirmed). I dunno. Could this be a US/Canada thing where it's worse down there then here? I doubt it. Or are you perhaps a high school student? That would explain a lot.

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All these "ESL teachers" in Korea have a "slight" taste of racism for the first time

First, many of us have experienced racism back home. There are some Blacks, Asians etc. back home who werenot fans of Whites and didn't treat us well. Second, where do you get "slight" from? Sure, that's the case sometimes. Probaly most times, but to call them all "slight" is a lame attempt to downplay legitimate cases of harsh racism that has been experienced here. Walking into a restuarant and being told "No Foreigners." That's not slight. That's back-of-the-bus kinda sh*t. Aside from burning a cross on my lawn, shackling me up, and taking my face to a curb, that's about as racist as you can get. Korean men telling my wife she's a disgrace because she married a foreginer. That's not so slight. Demanding that an entire group of people get HIV tests in order to get a work permit because it's believed HIV is unique to foreigners. That's not so slight.

Overall, don't get me wrong. I don't think Korean is any more or less racist thatn the US, Canada, Europe etc. We all have our fair share of idiots. But if I were to hazard a guess, and forgive me if I'm wrong, you're trending towards being one of those racist idiots.

Jongno2bucheon

Joined: 11 Mar 2014

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:52 am Post subject:

Newbie wrote:

krnpowr wrote:

It burns now that the shoe is on the other foot, don't it? But don't think foreigners in Korea have it worse than Asians in the West, because they don't!

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I don't know any Asian-American that didn't put up with racial harassment on a regular basis

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All these "ESL teachers" in Korea have a "slight" taste of racism for the first time

I actually believe his handle gives his opinion even more weight. Who would believe him if his nickname was larrymoecurly? Not me. And he is right, every Asian American i know has also complained about racism. Even in California.

Btw, HIV tests are required for foreign ESl teachers regardless of ethnicity. It is kind of crazy, but look what happened to the native americans. 90% died by venereal diseases. STDs are nothing to sneeze at.

Newbie

Joined: 07 Feb 2003

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:54 am Post subject:

Jongno2bucheon wrote:

I actually believe his handle gives his opinion even more weight. Who would believe him if his nickname was larrymoecurly? Not me.

You don't think his handle points towards his bias and a complete lack in objective thnking?

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And he is right, every Asian American i know has also complained about racism. Even in California.

And every Asian I know has said this too. Not all of them say it's regular as your buddy claims. Does every Asian American you know say it happens regularly? Maybe so. But do you not realize there are millions and millions of Asian Americans you do NOT know and they may have had different experiences? I wwouldn't be surprised if every single one of them has had, at some point, racism thrown at them. I do challange whether or not it's "regular"

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Btw, HIV tests are required for foreign ESl teachers regardless of ethnicity. It is kind of crazy, but look what happened to the native americans. 90% died by venereal diseases. STDs are nothing to sneeze at.

Sure, could be that about 90% were killed. No one knows the numbers for sure. But VDs weren't the biggest killers.

Jongno2bucheon

Joined: 11 Mar 2014

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:03 am Post subject:

Newbie wrote:

Jongno2bucheon wrote:

I actually believe his handle gives his opinion even more weight. Who would believe him if his nickname was larrymoecurly? Not me.

You don't think his handle points towards his bias and a complete lack in objective thnking?

Quote:

And he is right, every Asian American i know has also complained about racism. Even in California.

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Sure, could be that about 90% were killed. No one knows the numbers for sure. But VDs weren't the biggest killers.

I think the dood is being honest but is immature about expressing it in a constructive way. I think thats quite common on most forums though lol

STDs were one of the major diseases that wiped them out.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/17/not-your-asian-sidekick-asian-women-feminism

Not your asian sidekick is quite a trender nowadays.

candy bar

Joined: 03 Dec 2012

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:10 am Post subject:

krnpowr wrote:

Steelrails wrote:

krnpowr wrote:

Sesame wrote:

T-J wrote:

Our son was born in the U.S. and he attended public school there. We returned to Korea six years ago and our son is in public school here.

My wife experienced more overt racist comments in the U.S. than I've ever experienced here. The virility of the comments and insults she received there far exceed anything said to either of us here in Korea.

I received more "passive aggressive" comments in the U.S. Than I've ever received here. People assuming my son is adopted, etc.

My son was viewed as much more of an ethnic outsider in kindergarten being the only Asian in a class of 25 other students purely of European decent.

All of that being said, are there occasional problems here in Korea? Of course. People are people.

Having actually lived in both countries and having had my son in both school systems, I find Korea more agreeable.

Of course this is just my personal experience. YMMV.

You just probably dont understand what people say here. And where did you go in the US..must have been in the ghetto or deep back country south. They dont act like that in your average suburb.

I call BS on your story. Nobody is going to say racist stuff to your asian wife and mixed kids out loud. In my 29 years living in the burbs I never once heard anyone say racist things to an asian or to my adopted cousin who is from China. Koreans display their racism WAY more than Americans do.

Oh B.S.! That's the biggest crock of sh!t I've ever heard! Unless you're an Asian that grew up in America, you will NEVER know what Asians growing up in America or any other Western country have to endure. Your conclusions based merely on anecdotal evidence are far from reality.

Oh hush. Do you claim to know what kind of racism white folks go through in Korea? Yet I'm sure you'd lecture them on it.

I have a different view- I may not perfectly understand what they go through in Korea, and they may not perfectly understand what Asians go through back home, but that doesn't mean we don't know squat and can't contribute and comment. Don't dismiss someone's opinion out of hand just because of their race or ethnicity.

It burns now that the shoe is on the other foot, don't it? But don't think foreigners in Korea have it worse than Asians in the West, because they don't!

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