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Same-sex Marriage: For or Against?
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Are you for or against the concept of same-sex marriage?
For
71%
 71%  [ 91 ]
Against
28%
 28%  [ 36 ]
Total Votes : 127

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sjk1128



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 8:40 am    Post subject: Not sure if this really merits a response Reply with quote

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His application for asylum was denied. Immigration issue

You were denied entry to Canada because you had crossed the border too frequently to visit a refugee claiment. Again this is a Immigration issue.


This issues were what I meant when I said that this was an Immigration issue. You don't think that these could happen to straights? Your ability to be with this person is dictated by these Immigration issues.

And as for the USA doesn't Massachutes recognize gay marriage? Why not live there?


The core issue here is that we cannot live in the same country, and we could if we were allowed to marry. He would never have gone to Canada or asked for asylum there, and I would never have been visiting him in Canada if we were allowed to marry in the US. All immigration laws are federal and because the US (and Colombia) do not recognize marriage at the federal level, any marriage legislation more local is of no import for international couples. If you bothered to read the post about how mixed race marriage was legalized in the US, this might have been more clear.

Core issue = No federally recognized marriage = Can't legally live in same country --> NOT immigration issue that could happen to straights= Bottom line
- Am I speaking your language now, genius?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 9:42 am    Post subject: Can anyone still reason? Does anyone read? Reply with quote

You know, TheUrbanMyth, I just posted the last reply and then sat here thinking that maybe you really do still believe our situation could happen to a straight couple. I can't conceive of how the difference would not be crystal clear after my original repsonse to you, but perhaps I'm being "too harsh" again. So here goes... We're not talking about his asylum claim in Canada or my being denied entry there. Those are symptoms of the underlying issue - which was, and still is, the lack of legal gay marriage in most countries (as in all but 3). As I said before, if marriage had been legal in our countries, we would have married and immigrated over two years ago - an option available to all straights and not available to us. If gay marraige were legalized in the US tomorrow, that would provide an immediate resolution to our problem as I could immediately apply for a fiance visa for my partner - an option available to all straight couples. I once had a straight female friend tell me that she was in the same situation as I because her German boyfriend's student visa was expiring and he would be leaving the country. She was attempting to be supportive, so I just smiled and nodded. In fact, if she had been serious enough about her relationship to want to marry him, she could have done so, and he would never have had to leave the US. It is not the same.

It sounds like you're speaking in warped logic, Jim Crow fashion:
If white folk had had to stand outside in the sun to drink from the spigot ��stead of inside from the nice water fountain, they would have felt hot too. Therefore, black folk and white folk had equal rights, even back in the days of Jim Crow, ��cause both felt hot in the hot sun: It��s an issue of heat, not segregation!

But the whole point is that the whites never had to stand out in the sun and so never felt its heat. I��m feeling the heat because I don��t have access to the good water fountain inside, and there are no straights forced to stand out here with me.
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