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THERE ARE NO WMD, THERE WERE NO WMD
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought it was clear.
You've got to be the only one wanting to hear IGTG's solution to any given problem.
Unless you were actually expecting some sort of non-inane answer from him, there's no reason to think this was disparaging remark towards you.
Do you meanto say that you weren't asking a rhetorical question?

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Is that what you think is going on in this thread?
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Nowhere Man



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 10:44 am    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

I apologize for going off-topic, but I wish to address on-going issues on this board.


A) General advice to all: if your feud with another poster results in you and the other poster engaged in a never-ending fight that is just ad nauseum repetition of the same points, then do try to take it to PM.

B) I've Pm'd with Joo and Guitar, It was helpful in both cases.

C) On the other hand, I do not PM regularly with the Bobster, EFL, or anyone else. We do not coordinate "attacks". We operate independently.

D) In differing between Joo and Guitar, one makes cut-and-paste attacks, the other seldom makes the same post twice.

E) In Joo's own words, he doesn't cut-and-paste people he respects.

F) In Guitar's own words, he posts "alternative" thoughts that others won't bother to consider.

I think they're both extreme, but one posts new things daily while the other posts the same thing, verbatim, again and again and again and again.

No conclusion. Draw your own.
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Bulsajo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 4:55 pm    Post subject: Re: ... Reply with quote

Nowhere Man wrote:

F) In Guitar's own words, he posts "alternative" thoughts that others won't bother to consider.

Because most of the time they aren't worth considering.
Sure he gets lucky 1 or 2 out of every 10 - 20 posts, but his noise to signal ratio is such that we'd all be better off if he switched frequencies altogther.

But I would be willing to stay out of his quack threads if he would stay out of the sane ones.
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EFLtrainer



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:10 pm    Post subject: Re: ... Reply with quote

Nowhere Man wrote:
C) On the other hand, I do not PM regularly with the Bobster, EFL, or anyone else. We do not coordinate "attacks". We operate independently.


I didn't know there was an issue at all, let alone an on-going one, with regards to "attacks" of any kind, let alone coordinated.

Strange.
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EFLtrainer



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:13 pm    Post subject: Re: ... Reply with quote

Bulsajo wrote:
Nowhere Man wrote:

F) In Guitar's own words, he posts "alternative" thoughts that others won't bother to consider.

Because most of the time they aren't worth considering.
Sure he gets lucky 1 or 2 out of every 10 - 20 posts, but his noise to signal ratio is such that we'd all be better off if he switched frequencies altogther.

But I would be willing to stay out of his quack threads if he would stay out of the sane ones.


How very tolerant of you. Though I will admit I no longer read Joo at all, but it's not the content, per se, but the sheer repetetiveness. He's probably set a world record for the posting of a given epithet, i.e., Khomeini lovers.

Just had a petite mal just typing it. Razz
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 9:15 pm    Post subject: Re: ... Reply with quote

EFLtrainer wrote:

How very tolerant of you.

Well, that's just me, a big ol' softie- kind to children and puppies and sticking flowers in gunbarrels wherever I go.

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EFLtrainer



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:00 am    Post subject: Re: ... Reply with quote

Bulsajo wrote:
EFLtrainer wrote:

How very tolerant of you.

Well, that's just me, a big ol' softie- kind to children and puppies and sticking flowers in gunbarrels wherever I go.



Your sig is unfair: I'm already too smart for my own good. Any smarter and my life would be a suicide mission.

Oh, wait: life IS a sucide mission. Hmmm.... OK, I'll work on it. I have to warn you, getting smarter is easier than getting nicer.

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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the fact is that Igotthisguitar is a bigot and a disiformation artist.

By the way NWM if you had an argument that ( in your opinion) no one could counter would you use it again or would the fact that you used it before preclude you from reusing it?
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EFLtrainer



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
the fact is that Igotthisguitar is a bigot and a disiformation artist.

By the way NWM if you had an argument that ( in your opinion) no one could counter would you use it again or would the fact that you used it before preclude you from reusing it?


The problem is one of perception: you perceive your "argument" as being unassailable, while I, for one, believe it has been refuted repeatedly. You simply refuse to accept it.

You live in fear. As someone posted today: live free or die is what the U.S. was founded on. By that definition, neither you nor Dumbya are in any way, shape or form patriots.

We have nothing to fear but fear itself.

How quickly we forget.

Yo put things in perspective, a fair measure of the danger of Al Queda, et. al., based on historical reality might be guaged by calculating the likelihood of being killed by Al Queda, et. al.

That number is .0000007. Now, my math skills suck, so you math whizzes will have to sort this out, but....

The number Americans killed in 9-11/300,000,000 Americans living at the moment of 9/11 = .0000007.

Yes, this is the gravest threat we face. Shocked Rolling Eyes

Perspective. There were far, far better options and to not have taken them was sick. Take "Jew" and replace it with "evil doers" and you've got Dumbya. A bit of hyperbole, but too close to the truth to be comfortable.

(Torture, detention, reduction of rights, concentration of power in the executive, warmongering, fearmongering...)
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Summer Wine



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I thought it was clear.
You've got to be the only one wanting to hear IGTG's solution to any given problem.
Unless you were actually expecting some sort of non-inane answer from him, there's no reason to think this was disparaging remark towards you.
Do you meanto say that you weren't asking a rhetorical question?


Fair point.

No my question wasn't rhetorical. I was interested in whether he could offer some specific solution instead of a criticism or a non-inane answer.

Though it did enlighten me to the fact that possibly we are losing the ability to understand each others differing opinions.
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:31 am    Post subject: Re: ... Reply with quote

EFLtrainer wrote:

Your sig is unfair: I'm already too smart for my own good.

It's a bit of a catch 22- those to whom my sig is directed at will never realize it's for them...

Seriously though, thanks for reminding me it needs changing- I put it up at a particular time for a particular few threads/posters.
It jumped the shark about 10 minutes after I put it there.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The problem is one of perception: you perceive your "argument" as being unassailable, while I, for one, believe it has been refuted repeatedly. You simply refuse to accept it.



Which one., like the time you were talking about military spending R&D the economy?

I am not asking you to provide quotes as I think that would be an unneccessary burden.

But in general which which arguments that I have made use of have been refuted?


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You live in fear. As someone posted today: live free or die is what the U.S. was founded on. By that definition, neither you nor Dumbya are in any way, shape or form patriots.


If I live in fear you live in denial. Since your war for the most part is with the US and you place almost all the blame on the US you are most not only not a Patriot you are close to an enemy if not by intention - then in effect.
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We have nothing to fear but fear itself.


Denial


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How quickly we forget.




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Yo put things in perspective, a fair measure of the danger of Al Queda, et. al., based on historical reality might be guaged by calculating the likelihood of being killed by Al Queda, et. al.


well the attacks could get worse besides their attacks have a very high chance of disrupting the US in a major way.

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That number is .0000007. Now, my math skills suck, so you math whizzes will have to sort this out, but....

The number Americans killed in 9-11/300,000,000 Americans living at the moment of 9/11 = .0000007.


The next attack could be worse, , and any attack will have a severe effect the US economy and its society.


Moreoever the war against the US by Al Qaeda , the Bathists , and the followers of Khomeni is illegitimate and sinister. something that you don't seem to acknowledge.


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Yes, this is the gravest threat we face. Shocked Rolling Eyes


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Perspective. There were far, far better options and to not have taken them was sick. Take "Jew" and replace it with "evil doers" and you've got Dumbya. A bit of hyperbole, but too close to the truth to be comfortable.


What options?

Your comparison is twisted. Al Qaeda did attack the US and they are a fascist hate group. The Bathists are fascist and mass killers and Khomeni and his followers have been attacking the US or American targets for 20 years. All have the goal of conquering the mideast for themselves. Furthermore all have a record of severe persecution of their minorites, and would do so to others were to win.

There record and actions shows what they are about and what they intend to do.

More denial.

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(Torture, detention, reduction of rights, concentration of power in the executive, warmongering, fearmongering
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The reduction of rights is very small and no different than other times when the US was at war.

Dentions . Well too bad the US didn't detain Bin Laden instead of letting go to the Sudan.


it is not warmongering when a nation or a group has attacked you.

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Fearmongering.


Well that is better than denial just cause you hate the president and disturst the government more than you do AQ.
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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

THE REAL WMD'S IN IRAQ - OURS Twisted Evil

Douglas Westerman
April 17, 2006

Weapons of mass destruction are all over Iraq. Iraqi children are playing among them every day. According to Iraqi doctors, many are developing cancer as a result. The WMD in question is depleted uranium (DU). Left over after natural uranium has been processed, DU is 1.7 times denser than lead - effective in penetrating armored vehicles such as tanks. After a DU shell strikes, it penetrates before exploding into a burning vapor that turns to dust.

"Depleted uranium has a half life of 4.7 billion years - that means thousands upon thousands of Iraqi children will suffer for tens of thousands of years to come. This is what I call terrorism," says Dr Ahmad Hardan.

As a special scientific adviser to the World Health Organization, the United Nations and the Iraqi Ministry of Health, Dr Hardan is the man who documented the effects of depleted uranium in Iraq between 1991 and 2002. U.S. forces admit to using at least 300 tons of D.U. ordinance in Gulf War I, with up to six times that amount in Operation Iraqi Freedom.

When a loved one is diagnosed with cancer, it can dramatically alter the entire fabric of family life. The emotional impact can be huge. Imagine having nine members of your family with malignancies at the same time. Welcome to Basra, Iraq.

Dr. Jawad Al-Ali, educated in England, is head oncologist at the Saddam teaching hospital in Basra. There are nine people with cancer in his wife's family. They are not alone. At a conference in Japan in 2004 he stated:

"Two strange phenomena have come about in Basra which I have never seen before. The first is double and triple cancers in one patient. For example, leukemia and cancer of the stomach. We had one patient with 2 cancers - one in his stomach and kidney. Months later, primary cancer was developing in his other kidney--he had three different cancer types. The second is the clustering of cancer in families. We have 58 families here with more than one person affected by cancer. Dr Yasin, a general Surgeon here has two uncles, a sister and cousin affected with cancer. Dr Mazen, another specialist, has six family members suffering from cancer. My wife has nine members of her family with cancer".

"Children in particular are susceptible to depleted uranium( DU) poisoning. They have a much higher absorption rate as their blood is being used to build and nourish their bones and they have a lot of soft tissues. Bone cancer and leukemia used to be diseases affecting them the most, however, cancer of the lymph system, which can develop anywhere on the body, and has rarely been seen before the age of 12 is now also common."

At one point after the war, a Basra hospital reported treating upwards of 600 children per day with symptoms of radiation sickness. 600 children per day?

CONTINUED ...

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=8218
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EFLtrainer



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
But in general which which arguments that I have made use of have been refuted?


Joo, this is why I don't respond to you aymore. Same pap, different day. It wasn't logical six months ago, it's not now. BTW, virtually all of them. Why? Because they are all based on one absolutely incorrect premise: Saddam/Iraq attacked the US. It's BS and you know it is BS. Thus, anything flowing from it is even smellier BS.

Get it?

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
If I live in fear you live in denial. Since your war for the most part is with the US and you place almost all the blame on the US you are most not only not a Patriot you are close to an enemy if not by intention - then in effect.


You're perverse. What war? Whom did I kill? Whom did I attack? Whom did I advocate killing? Whom did I advocate attacking? I don't blame the US, I blame Bush and his cadre. I feel sick for the idiots who were and are fooled by them. History will not be kind to them and most will not sleep overly well when all is said and done.

You do not understand what being an American is. Study more, retake the test. You may have gotten your citizenship, but you are failing the real test.


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mithridates



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's some real puss formatting you're using - why not spice it up a little for added effect? I mean seriously, let's spice up the formatting a tad.

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THE REAL WMD'S IN IRAQ - OURS Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted EvilTwisted EvilTwisted EvilTwisted EvilTwisted Evil

Douglas Westerman
April 17, 2006

Weapons of mass destruction are all over Iraq. Iraqi children are playing among them every day. According to Iraqi doctors, many are developing cancer as a result. The WMD in question is depleted uranium (DU). Left over after natural uranium has been processed, DU is 1.7 times denser than lead - effective in penetrating armored vehicles such as tanks. After a DU shell strikes, it penetrates before exploding into a burning vapor that turns to dust.

"Depleted uranium has a half life of 4.7 billion years - that means thousands upon thousands of Iraqi children will suffer for tens of thousands of years to come. This is what I call terrorism," says Dr Ahmad Hardan.

As a special scientific adviser to the World Health Organization, the United Nations and the Iraqi Ministry of Health, Dr Hardan is the man who documented the effects of depleted uranium in Iraq between 1991 and 2002. U.S. forces admit to using at least 300 tons of D.U. ordinance in Gulf War I, with up to six times that amount in Operation Iraqi Freedom.

When a loved one is diagnosed with cancer, it can dramatically alter the entire fabric of family life. The emotional impact can be huge. Imagine having nine members of your family with malignancies at the same time. Welcome to Basra, Iraq.

Dr. Jawad Al-Ali, educated in England, is head oncologist at the Saddam teaching hospital in Basra. There are nine people with cancer in his wife's family. They are not alone. At a conference in Japan in 2004 he stated:

"Two strange phenomena have come about in Basra which I have never seen before. The first is double and triple cancers in one patient. For example, leukemia and cancer of the stomach. We had one patient with 2 cancers - one in his stomach and kidney. Months later, primary cancer was developing in his other kidney--he had three different cancer types. The second is the clustering of cancer in families. We have 58 families here with more than one person affected by cancer. Dr Yasin, a general Surgeon here has two uncles, a sister and cousin affected with cancer. Dr Mazen, another specialist, has six family members suffering from cancer. My wife has nine members of her family with cancer".

"Children in particular are susceptible to depleted uranium( DU) poisoning. They have a much higher absorption rate as their blood is being used to build and nourish their bones and they have a lot of soft tissues. Bone cancer and leukemia used to be diseases affecting them the most, however, cancer of the lymph system, which can develop anywhere on the body, and has rarely been seen before the age of 12 is now also common."

At one point after the war, a Basra hospital reported treating upwards of 600 children per day with symptoms of radiation sickness. 600 children per day?

CONTINUED ...



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