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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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Some would, yeah. But I again ask you, do two wrongs make a right?
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I'm not sure how much point there is in pursuing this line of reasoning anymore. Clearly, Vic has some personal reason to dislike Koreans, and is incapabale of avoidin the leap into generalizations.
I think any Korean who applauded 9/11 deserves a swift kick in the head, even if that means the majority of them.
A lot of Koreans are nationalist a$$holes, who only care about their own suffering.
If those Korean missionaries are the kind of Christians who applaud when non-Christians get killed, well, all I can say is let them rot in their own blood.
All of the above statements are perfectly legit, and should suffice to provide emotional release for anyone with genuine ethical outrage at the moral blindness of Korean nationalists, bible-thumping Christians, whatever. Not for Vic, though. Gotta rule out any possibility whatsoever of there being any redeemable Koreans. Too bad, but whatever. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:30 am Post subject: |
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| Gotta rule out any possibility whatsoever of there being any redeemable Koreans... |
A sure sign that you are now butting your head against an implacable wall. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| If those same hostages were Americans... |
If those same hostages were americans I would hope with my most sincere heart that they would not be ill-treated or murdered, just as i hope that these remaining korean hostages escape harm. If these same hostages were Americans I would be repulsed by any vitriolic 'soon-to-be-beheaded' 'darwin' 'i hope they rot' talk as i am repulsed by this talk from you and the other poster. I was disgusted by Koreans who talked like that after 9-11, Nick Berg's murder etc and I am disgusted now. You are one and the same to me.
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| they would probably waste not time throwing salt in our wounds as they continue to berate, flame and criticize not only the Americans trying to do a good deed but all Americans in general. |
Some would, yeah. But I again ask you, do two wrongs make a right?
"How far you go in life depends on your being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the weak and strong. Because someday in your life you will have been all of these." George Washington Carver |
Someone referring to the Koreans said "You reap what you sew". People used that kind of talk during 9/11. No one should use such talk against innocent civilians. I agree with you there. You know what I find interesting is how people talk about how Hiroshima and Nagasaki were justifiable acts, even though it would definitely the definition of terrorism as it drop atomic bombs in cities full of civilians. Yet, there was outrage, naturally, when civilians were killed in the US in 2001. Why don't people care about the idea that Japanese civilians were killed in a blatant fashion in World War II? We hear this talk about the Japanese and the comfort women and having Congress make Japan apologize. I frankly think humanity has a lot of good and a lot of evil.
I think Koreans kind of live in their own bubble. That part is true. Most of the world expressed sympathy in the beginning during 9/11. People who lived in Korea in 9/11 said they felt that Koreans didn't express enough sympathy for the American people during this tragedy. I wasn't there, but seem to act that only their race exists, so to speak and nothing exists outside of themselves. Of course, it is a generalisation.
I do hope these Koreans will get released. Not all Korean Christians should be painted a certain way. It is not fair. Some are definitely annoying. However, there are also those with good intentions, whatever one might say, who are helping people in Africa. I remember seeing this Korean lady who has been in Africa for years helping the people there and being so close to them. I am sure that is genuine. She cared so much for those she was helping and lived so long away from her home..
That must count for something. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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I do hope these Koreans will get released. Not all Korean Christians should be painted a certain way. It is not fair. Some are definitely annoying. However, there are also those with good intentions, whatever one might say, who are helping people in Africa. I remember seeing this Korean lady who has been in Africa for years helping the people there and being so close to them. I am sure that is genuine. She cared so much for those she was helping and lived so long away from her home..
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Among the most worldly Koreans I have ever met was a young guy who did missionary work among Muslims in Africa, and read up on his Edward Said and his Tariq Ali in order to get a better handle on the cultural and political issues he'd be dealing with. Of course, he's not neccessarily going to be representative of all Korean Christians.
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| People who lived in Korea in 9/11 said they felt that Koreans didn't express enough sympathy for the American people during this tragedy. |
I think it's possible to exaggerate just how grief-stricken the rest of the world was over 9/11. I was still in Canada at the time. I remember going about my business pretty much as usual in the days that followed, and while people were talking about it all over the place, nobody seemed to be personally distraught about it in a visceral way. And yeah, there were people making tasteless jokes about it, and saying stuff like the Americans had it coming. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:23 am Post subject: |
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I think it's possible to exaggerate just how grief-stricken the rest of the world was over 9/11. I was still in Canada at the time. I remember going about my business pretty much as usual in the days that followed, and while people were talking about it all over the place, nobody seemed to be personally distraught about it in a visceral way. And yeah, there were people making tasteless jokes about it, and saying stuff like the Americans had it coming. |
And so what was your response after hearing such tasteless jokes. Seems to me you feel very indifferent towards the suffering and misfortune of innocent lives in America.
I'll have you know there were many many people who died that day who were not Americans.
Note to self - do not forget how much Canadians hate Americans. Remember that Americans have better friends and allies in Arabs who offer their condolences over 9/11- even to this very day. Remember to make tasteless jokes about Canadians and to discriminate against them in the days to come WHEN there is a chance. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:00 am Post subject: |
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And so what was your response after hearing such tasteless jokes. Seems to me you feel very indifferent towards the suffering and misfortune of innocent lives in America.
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Pretty much the same response I had to that collection of 1980s American joke books with titles like "Truly Tasteless Jokes" and "Gross Jokes", which contained a few kneeslappers along the lines of...
Q: Why did Pol Pot kill millions of people in the 1970s?
A: He wanted to keep up with the Joneses.
Bascially, I find that kind of humor funny, if done well. (Like the Pol Pot joke above.) I don't recall any of the 9/11 humor being really hilarious, though. It was more just people acting more flippant than conventional piety would dictate that they should.
http://tinyurl.com/yvwpvu
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| Note to self - do not forget how much Canadians hate Americans |
What are you talking about? I love Americans. Especially the ones who write the tasteless joke books. And here's a fake letter in National Lampoon that I recall, 1983 or so...
Dear Sirs:
I would like to thank the National Lampoon for electing not to make light of the recent Korean Airlines tragedy. What? Oh my god, it was Ronald McDonald, not Larry McDonald, who was aboard the doomed flight? I'll bet he screamed "We can't go to McDonalds now, we're all going to die!" Have his floppy clown shoes washed ashore yet?
(there was a politician on the flight named Larry McDonald)
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| Remember to make tasteless jokes about Canadians |
Hey, if you can think of any tasteless jokes about something tragic that happened in Canada, I'd be happy to give them a listen. I can't think of much off the top of my head, unfortunately. Keep watching the news, I'm sure something will come up. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:24 am Post subject: |
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That well-known Korean-Canadian, Bob Newhart, has apparently been working on some 9/11 jokes...
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Reading recently about the Zacarias Moussaoui trial, his "button-down mind" found an angle on the 9/11 pilots, and he has been toying with it as a possible stand-up bit.
"They didn't want to learn to take off and land," he said. "They just wanted to fly. Some have criticized the F.B.I. because that should have been a red flag. But I saw it as a case of �" he studied his coffee table it as if it were a weekly planner � " 'O.K., well, I don't have to come in Monday; I can come in late Tuesday; Wednesday and Thursday, O.K., that's flying; and then I don't have to come in Friday.' "
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:05 am Post subject: |
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| Note to self - do not forget how much Canadians hate Americans |
What are you talking about? I love Americans. Especially the ones who write the tasteless joke books. |
 Yeah, and I love Canadians. Especially the ones whose sense of humor is so bad they laugh at tasteless joke books
... and of course ridicule the perfectly good jokes with taste.
Such a pity - Canadians will kill a good joke and laugh at the bad ones.  |
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