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newteacher
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 Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:16 am Post subject: Re: Creating the Human Psyche |
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I post messages received by Yeshua every two weeks on my website and in my membership E-NEWSLETTER. Following is the most recent:
Creating the Human Psyche
One of the greatest spiritual truths of all times is that there is no differentiation. There is not an objective separate "you" and "I", "he" and "she." The big oak tree in your neighborhood park is not a distinct entity from the rock sitting beside it. Everything in the multiverse is ultimately One with everything else. There are no dichotomies, no judgments, no ultimate differences. Differences only appear to be real because of the ego mind.
We have become so enamored in Western culture with the ideal of individualism. The entire US constitution, as many other founding documents from other countries, is written explicity to protect and serve the individual. In a world of spiritual imbalance, this can be a good thing. Those documents serve to protect liberty and to keep people safe from imbalanced people. But their is also a major flaw, a necessary flaw, in those documents. Because humanity as a whole has not yet reached a state of spiritual awakening, governments, organizations, and individuals must still act on the basis that each individual is distinct and separate from all others. The only reason liberty and freedom must still be defended is because humanity has not reached complete peace. The only reason that we must be concerned with our rights and freedoms is because humanity as a whole has not entered into enlightenment .
Reaching spiritual awakening as a species seems to be a daunting task. You may be wondering, "How can I, as a single person, assist humanity in becoming spiritually awakened?" The answer is beautiful in its simplicity. Since there really are no objective separate personalities, and all of creation is One, the level of universe-wide spiritual awakening rises incrementally as the level of an "individual's" spiritual awakening rises. In effect, as you become more conscious of your oneness with All via Fellowship of Yeshua meditations, the level of humanity's spiritual consciousness rises. You directly effect the singular multiversal psyche. Your positive thoughts and spiritual understanding directly inject themselves into the mass psyche of humanity.
As you practice the Fellowship of Yeshua meditations found in chapter 16 of The Fellowship of Yeshua: Communing With Your Ascended Soul Guides , your love for humanity will grow. And as your love grows, you will desire to meditate more and more. And as you meditate more and more, your spiritual consciousness will flow into the spiritual consciousness of humanity. It is a beautiful cycle that will ultimately lead to All being reunited with the One.
Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne
The Fellowship of Yeshua |
No offense, but that's like remedial philosophy. *beep* like that was written as far back as the Upanishads and Spinoza's 'Ethics' had many concepts concerning the breaking down of individuality in order to create a universality in which we are all a part of.
Yeah, God is everything, everything is God. Nature is God, we are nature, we are all one, everything is merely a part of everything else, we are all only parts of the whole and we must get past our individual needs and desires in order to awaken our oneness with everything else. Blah, blah, f-ing blah.
If you're going to make up a bullsh!t philosophy about aliens at least try to be original for Christssake. That's one thing I have to say for L.Ron and all his crap, at least he had an imagination and didn't just rehash ideas that had already been used a thousand times by other people who were much, much smarter.
Stop ripping off real philosophers, it's pathetic, and it's wrong, and anyone with a brain who's picked up an entry level philosophy book knows you're nothing more than a thief. Get a life and give credit to the people you're stealing from. |
Dear NewTeacher,
Since beginning to post on this and other forums about my experiences and messages received, I have been a bit surprised by people expecting something new. Wisdom is wisdom, and that does not change. If a person came to me with Scientology, I would reject it exactly because it is imaginative and new. If my guides were to tell me things that did not jive with received past wisdom, I would be hesitant to listen.
I know, in the face of claims such as mine, people are tempted to object by any means possible. I expected no less. But I think that most people expect wisdom to remain foundationally the same without much of a change, only to be shared in new ways.
Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne
The Fellowship of Yeshua |
I don't expect anything new, but I do think you're dishonest, and doing a disservice to people by ripping people off and packaging it as a new 'alien' philosophy. You're exploiting old wisdom to make money and that's immoral in just about every definition of the word, and when people realize that you're just a rip off con artist then they are going to be disillusioned with the type of wisdom you claim to be preaching and the next time a real "Wise" person has something to teach them the experience that they have with you is going to ruin it for them and prevent them from gaining true enlightenment. You're exploiting people's need for answers, and you're not giving credit to the people you steal from.
Why don't you just admit that you're ripping off people, people who aren't aliens by the way. You're probably not even educated in religion or philosophy, you're probably educated in marketing.
Put all these old ideas in a nice little package with bows and ribbons and shinny lights and next thing you know people will think it's actually something new. You're a fake. |
Dear NewTeacher,
I assume you think the "rip-off" part of my work is that ET guides shared messages with me. Am I correct in this assumption? Otherwise, I do not understand what part of work could be considered a rip-off. Every spiritual author worth his salt teaches timeless spiritual truths in different ways.
It is very clear in my work that Yeshua was incarnated as Buddha and Jesus. I am giving credit directly to the sources.
You're a brother, and always will be.
Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne
The Fellowship of Yeshua |
No, the rip-off part of your work is that you use others words and avoid giving them credit through the lie that they were messages given to you from aliens.
As I said, you're just taking others ideas and repackaging them with the shiny new 'alien' box. You're a fraud, just like L.Ron, only you're a little less creative. |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:21 am Post subject: Re: Creating the Human Psyche |
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I post messages received by Yeshua every two weeks on my website and in my membership E-NEWSLETTER. Following is the most recent:
Creating the Human Psyche
One of the greatest spiritual truths of all times is that there is no differentiation. There is not an objective separate "you" and "I", "he" and "she." The big oak tree in your neighborhood park is not a distinct entity from the rock sitting beside it. Everything in the multiverse is ultimately One with everything else. There are no dichotomies, no judgments, no ultimate differences. Differences only appear to be real because of the ego mind.
We have become so enamored in Western culture with the ideal of individualism. The entire US constitution, as many other founding documents from other countries, is written explicity to protect and serve the individual. In a world of spiritual imbalance, this can be a good thing. Those documents serve to protect liberty and to keep people safe from imbalanced people. But their is also a major flaw, a necessary flaw, in those documents. Because humanity as a whole has not yet reached a state of spiritual awakening, governments, organizations, and individuals must still act on the basis that each individual is distinct and separate from all others. The only reason liberty and freedom must still be defended is because humanity has not reached complete peace. The only reason that we must be concerned with our rights and freedoms is because humanity as a whole has not entered into enlightenment .
Reaching spiritual awakening as a species seems to be a daunting task. You may be wondering, "How can I, as a single person, assist humanity in becoming spiritually awakened?" The answer is beautiful in its simplicity. Since there really are no objective separate personalities, and all of creation is One, the level of universe-wide spiritual awakening rises incrementally as the level of an "individual's" spiritual awakening rises. In effect, as you become more conscious of your oneness with All via Fellowship of Yeshua meditations, the level of humanity's spiritual consciousness rises. You directly effect the singular multiversal psyche. Your positive thoughts and spiritual understanding directly inject themselves into the mass psyche of humanity.
As you practice the Fellowship of Yeshua meditations found in chapter 16 of The Fellowship of Yeshua: Communing With Your Ascended Soul Guides , your love for humanity will grow. And as your love grows, you will desire to meditate more and more. And as you meditate more and more, your spiritual consciousness will flow into the spiritual consciousness of humanity. It is a beautiful cycle that will ultimately lead to All being reunited with the One.
Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne
The Fellowship of Yeshua |
No offense, but that's like remedial philosophy. *beep* like that was written as far back as the Upanishads and Spinoza's 'Ethics' had many concepts concerning the breaking down of individuality in order to create a universality in which we are all a part of.
Yeah, God is everything, everything is God. Nature is God, we are nature, we are all one, everything is merely a part of everything else, we are all only parts of the whole and we must get past our individual needs and desires in order to awaken our oneness with everything else. Blah, blah, f-ing blah.
If you're going to make up a bullsh!t philosophy about aliens at least try to be original for Christssake. That's one thing I have to say for L.Ron and all his crap, at least he had an imagination and didn't just rehash ideas that had already been used a thousand times by other people who were much, much smarter.
Stop ripping off real philosophers, it's pathetic, and it's wrong, and anyone with a brain who's picked up an entry level philosophy book knows you're nothing more than a thief. Get a life and give credit to the people you're stealing from. |
Dear NewTeacher,
Since beginning to post on this and other forums about my experiences and messages received, I have been a bit surprised by people expecting something new. Wisdom is wisdom, and that does not change. If a person came to me with Scientology, I would reject it exactly because it is imaginative and new. If my guides were to tell me things that did not jive with received past wisdom, I would be hesitant to listen.
I know, in the face of claims such as mine, people are tempted to object by any means possible. I expected no less. But I think that most people expect wisdom to remain foundationally the same without much of a change, only to be shared in new ways.
Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne
The Fellowship of Yeshua |
I don't expect anything new, but I do think you're dishonest, and doing a disservice to people by ripping people off and packaging it as a new 'alien' philosophy. You're exploiting old wisdom to make money and that's immoral in just about every definition of the word, and when people realize that you're just a rip off con artist then they are going to be disillusioned with the type of wisdom you claim to be preaching and the next time a real "Wise" person has something to teach them the experience that they have with you is going to ruin it for them and prevent them from gaining true enlightenment. You're exploiting people's need for answers, and you're not giving credit to the people you steal from.
Why don't you just admit that you're ripping off people, people who aren't aliens by the way. You're probably not even educated in religion or philosophy, you're probably educated in marketing.
Put all these old ideas in a nice little package with bows and ribbons and shinny lights and next thing you know people will think it's actually something new. You're a fake. |
Dear NewTeacher,
I assume you think the "rip-off" part of my work is that ET guides shared messages with me. Am I correct in this assumption? Otherwise, I do not understand what part of work could be considered a rip-off. Every spiritual author worth his salt teaches timeless spiritual truths in different ways.
It is very clear in my work that Yeshua was incarnated as Buddha and Jesus. I am giving credit directly to the sources.
You're a brother, and always will be.
Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne
The Fellowship of Yeshua |
No, the rip-off part of your work is that you use others words and avoid giving them credit through the lie that they were messages given to you from aliens.
As I said, you're just taking others ideas and repackaging them with the shiny new 'alien' box. You're a fraud, just like L.Ron, only you're a little less creative. |
I will try to make it a bit more clear this time. Yeshua (one of my ET guides) incarnated as Buddha and Yeshua. This is clear in many of my posts, and in the book. That said, credit is being readily given to exact incarnations of Yeshua. I could not give any more credit than is given.
However, the portion you copied and pasted from my website is not word-for-word anyone else's. There may be eternal truths in that post, but nothing directly from anyone else.
I do appreciate your opinion that I am not being creative because that is not my purpose.
Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne
The Fellowship of Yeshua
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seoulunitarian
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:23 am Post subject: re: |
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By the way, I would be more than happy to meet with any interested persons for supper and drinks in Suwon in mid-August. Let's try to make it a group affair if possible.
Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne
The Fellowship of Yeshua |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| One of the greatest spiritual truths of all times is that there is no differentiation. There is not an objective separate "you" and "I", "he" and "she." The big oak tree in your neighborhood park is not a distinct entity from the rock sitting beside it. Everything in the multiverse is ultimately One with everything else. There are no dichotomies, no judgments, no ultimate differences. Differences only appear to be real because of the ego mind. |
You've basically described one of the basic concepts of Buddhism, shunyata, and is closely related to another notion, pratitya-samutpada.
Sorry, but your ideas seem to be an amalgamated mish mash of Christianity (Yeshua and Gabriel), Hinduism (reincarnation, karma, chakras), Buddhism (see above), New Age (Reiki energy), Scientology (aliens ...), and Raelianism (... who genetically engineered us and visited us). I know that you counter charges of unoriginality with this:
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| Since beginning to post on this and other forums about my experiences and messages received, I have been a bit surprised by people expecting something new. Wisdom is wisdom, and that does not change. If a person came to me with Scientology, I would reject it exactly because it is imaginative and new. If my guides were to tell me things that did not jive with received past wisdom, I would be hesitant to listen. |
So why would, say, a Christian or a Hindu subscribe to your ideas when they already have the Bible or the Bhagavad Gita?
Also, what if what Yeshua tells you contradicts what He is also supposed to have said in the Bible, or what Lao Tzu (one of his other incarnations) is said to have written in the Tao Te Ching? |
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Woland
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| Pure comedy gold, this thread. Best ever on Dave's. |
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seoulunitarian
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:10 pm Post subject: re: |
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| One of the greatest spiritual truths of all times is that there is no differentiation. There is not an objective separate "you" and "I", "he" and "she." The big oak tree in your neighborhood park is not a distinct entity from the rock sitting beside it. Everything in the multiverse is ultimately One with everything else. There are no dichotomies, no judgments, no ultimate differences. Differences only appear to be real because of the ego mind. |
You've basically described one of the basic concepts of Buddhism, shunyata, and is closely related to another notion, pratitya-samutpada.
Sorry, but your ideas seem to be an amalgamated mish mash of Christianity (Yeshua and Gabriel), Hinduism (reincarnation, karma, chakras), Buddhism (see above), New Age (Reiki energy), Scientology (aliens ...), and Raelianism (... who genetically engineered us and visited us). I know that you counter charges of unoriginality with this:
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
| Since beginning to post on this and other forums about my experiences and messages received, I have been a bit surprised by people expecting something new. Wisdom is wisdom, and that does not change. If a person came to me with Scientology, I would reject it exactly because it is imaginative and new. If my guides were to tell me things that did not jive with received past wisdom, I would be hesitant to listen. |
So why would, say, a Christian or a Hindu subscribe to your ideas when they already have the Bible or the Bhagavad Gita?
Also, what if what Yeshua tells you contradicts what He is also supposed to have said in the Bible, or what Lao Tzu (one of his other incarnations) is said to have written in the Tao Te Ching? |
Your points are good. Many (definitely a majority) of the messages given to me are filled with anceint wisdom. However, there are "new" things in the messages. I would say these new things are part of the original messages that have either been edited or destroyed.
Certainly the basic truths are the same. There are some "minor" clarifications from their previous incarnated teachings, and to Christians, I am certain these minor changes are significant. Buddhists tend to be a bit more open-minded, but I still envision most of them having a problem with Buddha as a gray-type ET.
Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne
The Fellowship of Yeshua |
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Troll_Bait
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Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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But what if what you've been told contradicts some of the other religious traditions that you're drawing upon?
For example, you claim that Yeshua is Buddha reincarnated. This is irreconcilable with Buddhism. Buddha achieved Nirvana, which by definition is an escape from the birth/death/rebirth cycle. Buddha never has been, and never will be, reincarnated.
Also, while some Christians have believed in reincarnation (see here), most do not. |
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seoulunitarian
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But what if what you've been told contradicts some of the other religious traditions that you're drawing upon?
For example, you claim that Yeshua is Buddha reincarnated. This is irreconcilable with Buddhism. Buddha achieved Nirvana, which by definition is an escape from the birth/death/rebirth cycle. Buddha never has been, and never will be, reincarnated.
Also, while some Christians have believed in reincarnation (see here), most do not. |
That is my point. Some of the messages I have received do "contradict" age-old wisdom. So it confuses me a bit when I am "accused" of just copying what the major religions believe. Sure, many of the messages are in line with age-old wisdom, but there are "contradictory" truths that do not. When I receive such restored truths, I believe them and try my best to share them.
Buddha was not Buddha in the historical sense. Yeshua, incarnated as Buddha, showed that enlightenment is possible in a lifetime (and even in the Now), but this was only a lesson and not a reality. Buddha was, in fact, a walk-in for Yeshua. As was Lao Tzu and Jesus, and as the next incarnation of Yeshua will be. We cannot think of Buddha, Lao Tzu, Jesus, and the next incarnation of Yeshua as beings other than Yeshua himself.
Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne
The Fellowship of Yeshua |
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Troll_Bait
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| So what you're saying is that Buddha, Lao Tzu, and Jesus were avatars of Yeshua, the way that Hindus believe that Rama and Krishna were avatars of Vishnu, right? Just so that we're clear; Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, etc., cannot adopt your belief system without abandoning some of the tenets of their current faith. |
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kimchi_pizza
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| Pure comedy gold, this thread. Best ever on Dave's. |
Funny? Dude, I'm more concerned that this guy may be teaching impressionable young minds. Whata quack. Alls anyone has to do is look at posts and threads in the past. SCARY stuff i.e. boardline personality disorder, UFO believers, filing for bankruptcy, suicide, hypno-therapy degree programs, dildoes, Jesus was an alien, etc. I also have a feeling I know several of his socks as he regurgitates what others have said and written to suit his own manipulative purposes.
This is all I'm gonna say on the matter and leave it to other posters to read for themselves and make up their own minds. |
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arjuna
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seoulunitarian
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| So what you're saying is that Buddha, Lao Tzu, and Jesus were avatars of Yeshua, the way that Hindus believe that Rama and Krishna were avatars of Vishnu, right? Just so that we're clear; Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, etc., cannot adopt your belief system without abandoning some of the tenets of their current faith. |
That is correct. I would think that whether a Christian or Buddhist accepts the teachings of Yeshua and Gabriel depends on how literally they take their scripture.
Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne
The Fellowship of Yeshua |
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NAVFC
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: re: |
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| So what you're saying is that Buddha, Lao Tzu, and Jesus were avatars of Yeshua, the way that Hindus believe that Rama and Krishna were avatars of Vishnu, right? Just so that we're clear; Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, etc., cannot adopt your belief system without abandoning some of the tenets of their current faith. |
That is correct. I would think that whether a Christian or Buddhist accepts the teachings of Yeshua and Gabriel depends on how literally they take their scripture.
Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne
The Fellowship of Yeshua |
You are retarded. Please do not breed. To do so, and spread YOUR seed, should be considered a crime against humanity. |
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seoulunitarian
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:00 pm Post subject: re: |
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I really do hope some of you will take me up on the supper/drinking meeting. I would like to meet you all face to face.
Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne
The Fellowship of Yeshua |
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Nemesis
Joined: 29 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: Communing With Extraterrestrials |
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I'll bite. I like to keep an open mind.
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I did not know what that mission was until I was 22, when they finally told me it would be my task to establish the earth branch of The Fellowship of Yeshua.
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The goal of Yeshua is to establish regional meetings of the Fellowship of Yeshua with local guides throughout the major cities on earth. Just this year (2007), Yeshua encouraged me to begin publishing books based on the spiritual philosophy he has imparted to me.
That's my experience in a nutshell up to this point.
Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne
The Fellowship of Yeshua |
Sooo... these "enlightened" aliens are " interested" in humans and want to help us "wake up" into a higher level of "reality"? Fair enough. It's a good goal.
Unfortunately, I suggest that your buddies are boobs. They have no understanding of their target audience. Are they unaware that we live in a media-saturated world where information comes on-demand?
There are billions of voices and opinions out there now, all accessible in seconds. This is a rather new development on Earth, and it's something that makes our current society different from all others.
With so many options to choose from, attention spans have spiralled. People have choice now, and have become increasingly difficult to captivate.
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Given this contextual background, your alien "plan" sounds rather limp, and poorly thought out.
If these aliens were really what you claim them to be, I reckon they'd have a much more elaborate plan than to send forth an English teacher with global ambitions.
Seriously, is that their grand plan? |
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