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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007 Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Hip hop and its fans personify bad taste. |
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billybrobby

Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
You should re-title this thread "I'm old and i hate the things young people like".
Would be more apt. There is still good rap music out there, all you have to do is find it. I can't see how anyone can listen to anything Ghostface has made recently and say hip hop is rubbish. |
I'm 26 and I've met enough 30+ year olds who like hip-hop to not really associate it with youth anymore. Ghostface himself is 37. 37!
I really do enjoy some hip-hop, but overall the genre is very tired. But most of rock is tired too. So what can you do? |
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JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:45 am Post subject: |
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| billybrobby wrote: |
| JMO wrote: |
You should re-title this thread "I'm old and i hate the things young people like".
Would be more apt. There is still good rap music out there, all you have to do is find it. I can't see how anyone can listen to anything Ghostface has made recently and say hip hop is rubbish. |
I'm 26 and I've met enough 30+ year olds who like hip-hop to not really associate it with youth anymore. Ghostface himself is 37. 37!
I really do enjoy some hip-hop, but overall the genre is very tired. But most of rock is tired too. So what can you do? |
I thought the title implied an age aspect to it. Maybe not.
I know quite a few thirty year olds who like hip hop as well but they seem to think pac and biggie and their peers were the pinnacle. personally i think there will always be new mcs with nice flow and a story to tell. |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:57 am Post subject: |
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I'm 29, and while I haven't followed hip-hop music since its inception, I've been there for the genre's halcyon years. I grew up listening to the spectrum hip-hop music had to offer -- everything from afrocentric , jazz-inspired rap (Native Tongues); afrocentric, revolutionary-inspired rap (PE, X-Clan); gangsta rap (NWA, Ice-T); and MCs and groups who amalgamated the music's various sub-genres (Gang Starr).
And it bugs the sh*t out of me that fans of hip-hop music these days feel that they need to compartmentalize their tastes, that they can't appreciate the insightful music of someone such as Immortal Technique and also dig the more accessible -- yet undeniably talented -- work of Kanye West.
Good music is good music, whether it's on the radio or your best friend's best friend's acquaintance's best kept secret. Sure, I don't like most mainstream rap being released these days, but an equal or greater proportion of so-called underground hip-hop sucks just as bad -- if not more, because it pretends to be cutting edge and innovative but can't mask the fact that it's insanely boring and lacking panache (which hip-hop music should be a synonym for).
I can't count on one hand how many new hip-hop MCs or groups interest me. The talent pool has grown stale. But there are still some artists making great music, both mainstream and underground. And occasionally somewhere in between.
Dev: If you've grown tired of hip-hop music, perhaps you never liked it in the first place. I may grimace when I hear a Young Jeezy song, but don't hate the sport because of some overpaid, untalented players. Every art form has its share of phonies. Are you going to stop believing a classic horror film will be made because one hasn't for the past few years?
Here's the thing about great art forms: they always find a way to resurrect themselves. |
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safeblad
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:01 am Post subject: |
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two words
Definitive Jux
...I'm not sick of it yet |
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Treefarmer

Joined: 29 May 2007
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:34 am Post subject: |
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there is still a lot of good hip hop coming out you just have to look harder
but even some of the more mainstream stuff is good, pharoah monch and ghostface have both been on form this year and they are very mainstream, not to mention the slightly less famous people like mfdoom and sage francis who just seem to have an endless supply of ideas.
i think the problem is that 10 years ago hip hop got a lot less mainstream exposure so even commercial people like jay-z and nas didn't seem that bad when they were played on mainstream radio, but now that there is more demand for hiphop than rock, so much stuff gets overplayed
and saying you are sick of hiphop is a bit like saying you are sick of books in my opinion, there is so much history to check out that you can just listen to 'golden age' stuff and there is enough to keep you interested for years that you probably missed out on first time around |
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demaratus
Joined: 13 Apr 2005 Location: Searching for a heart of gold, and I'm gettin' old
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
I'm 29, and while I haven't followed hip-hop music since its inception, I've been there for the genre's halcyon years. I grew up listening to the spectrum hip-hop music had to offer -- everything from afrocentric , jazz-inspired rap (Native Tongues); afrocentric, revolutionary-inspired rap (PE, X-Clan); gangsta rap (NWA, Ice-T); and MCs and groups who amalgamated the music's various sub-genres (Gang Starr).
And it bugs the sh*t out of me that fans of hip-hop music these days feel that they need to compartmentalize their tastes, that they can't appreciate the insightful music of someone such as Immortal Technique and also dig the more accessible -- yet undeniably talented -- work of Kanye West.
Good music is good music, whether it's on the radio or your best friend's best friend's acquaintance's best kept secret. Sure, I don't like most mainstream rap being released these days, but an equal or greater proportion of so-called underground hip-hop sucks just as bad -- if not more, because it pretends to be cutting edge and innovative but can't mask the fact that it's insanely boring and lacking panache (which hip-hop music should be a synonym for).
I can't count on one hand how many new hip-hop MCs or groups interest me. The talent pool has grown stale. But there are still some artists making great music, both mainstream and underground. And occasionally somewhere in between.
Dev: If you've grown tired of hip-hop music, perhaps you never liked it in the first place. I may grimace when I hear a Young Jeezy song, but don't hate the sport because of some overpaid, untalented players. Every art form has its share of phonies. Are you going to stop believing a classic horror film will be made because one hasn't for the past few years?
Here's the thing about great art forms: they always find a way to resurrect themselves. |
Well Put Tiberious.
I don't like Rap, I like hip-hop though. Common, Mos def & Talib, Outkast (guilty pleasure) Jurrasic 5, Ghostface (Gangster, I know), De la Soul and the Roots are all very good hip-hop acts. They continue to make good music. 50 cent, mims and all the other MTV acts are not hip-hop, they are rap and they lack substance in my opinion, but they are made for the radio or for the clubs. |
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Natalia
Joined: 10 Mar 2006
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:47 am Post subject: |
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| Hip hop is one of the most banal things to ever hit popular culture. |
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JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:47 am Post subject: |
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| demaratus wrote: |
| Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
I'm 29, and while I haven't followed hip-hop music since its inception, I've been there for the genre's halcyon years. I grew up listening to the spectrum hip-hop music had to offer -- everything from afrocentric , jazz-inspired rap (Native Tongues); afrocentric, revolutionary-inspired rap (PE, X-Clan); gangsta rap (NWA, Ice-T); and MCs and groups who amalgamated the music's various sub-genres (Gang Starr).
And it bugs the sh*t out of me that fans of hip-hop music these days feel that they need to compartmentalize their tastes, that they can't appreciate the insightful music of someone such as Immortal Technique and also dig the more accessible -- yet undeniably talented -- work of Kanye West.
Good music is good music, whether it's on the radio or your best friend's best friend's acquaintance's best kept secret. Sure, I don't like most mainstream rap being released these days, but an equal or greater proportion of so-called underground hip-hop sucks just as bad -- if not more, because it pretends to be cutting edge and innovative but can't mask the fact that it's insanely boring and lacking panache (which hip-hop music should be a synonym for).
I can't count on one hand how many new hip-hop MCs or groups interest me. The talent pool has grown stale. But there are still some artists making great music, both mainstream and underground. And occasionally somewhere in between.
Dev: If you've grown tired of hip-hop music, perhaps you never liked it in the first place. I may grimace when I hear a Young Jeezy song, but don't hate the sport because of some overpaid, untalented players. Every art form has its share of phonies. Are you going to stop believing a classic horror film will be made because one hasn't for the past few years?
Here's the thing about great art forms: they always find a way to resurrect themselves. |
Well Put Tiberious.
I don't like Rap, I like hip-hop though. Common, Mos def & Talib, Outkast (guilty pleasure) Jurrasic 5, Ghostface (Gangster, I know), De la Soul and the Roots are all very good hip-hop acts. They continue to make good music. 50 cent, mims and all the other MTV acts are not hip-hop, they are rap and they lack substance in my opinion. |
What are you talking about? How are Talib Kweli, ghostface and Common just to pick a few not rappers? And why would Outkast be a guilty pleasure..i don't understand that at all. Vanilla ice being a guitly pleasure i would understand but not one of the most critically acclaimed acts ever.
Link to bombs over baghdad seems like a good choice right now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XBgXBvI8a0
And ghostface is gangsta..so what? Some of the best rappers are gangsta. IMO lyrics are not as important as the rappers skills and wordplay. It's no given that gangsta rappers are less skilled than guys of the backpacker or underground variety. |
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demaratus
Joined: 13 Apr 2005 Location: Searching for a heart of gold, and I'm gettin' old
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
| demaratus wrote: |
| Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
I'm 29, and while I haven't followed hip-hop music since its inception, I've been there for the genre's halcyon years. I grew up listening to the spectrum hip-hop music had to offer -- everything from afrocentric , jazz-inspired rap (Native Tongues); afrocentric, revolutionary-inspired rap (PE, X-Clan); gangsta rap (NWA, Ice-T); and MCs and groups who amalgamated the music's various sub-genres (Gang Starr).
And it bugs the sh*t out of me that fans of hip-hop music these days feel that they need to compartmentalize their tastes, that they can't appreciate the insightful music of someone such as Immortal Technique and also dig the more accessible -- yet undeniably talented -- work of Kanye West.
Good music is good music, whether it's on the radio or your best friend's best friend's acquaintance's best kept secret. Sure, I don't like most mainstream rap being released these days, but an equal or greater proportion of so-called underground hip-hop sucks just as bad -- if not more, because it pretends to be cutting edge and innovative but can't mask the fact that it's insanely boring and lacking panache (which hip-hop music should be a synonym for).
I can't count on one hand how many new hip-hop MCs or groups interest me. The talent pool has grown stale. But there are still some artists making great music, both mainstream and underground. And occasionally somewhere in between.
Dev: If you've grown tired of hip-hop music, perhaps you never liked it in the first place. I may grimace when I hear a Young Jeezy song, but don't hate the sport because of some overpaid, untalented players. Every art form has its share of phonies. Are you going to stop believing a classic horror film will be made because one hasn't for the past few years?
Here's the thing about great art forms: they always find a way to resurrect themselves. |
Well Put Tiberious.
I don't like Rap, I like hip-hop though. Common, Mos def & Talib, Outkast (guilty pleasure) Jurrasic 5, Ghostface (Gangster, I know), De la Soul and the Roots are all very good hip-hop acts. They continue to make good music. 50 cent, mims and all the other MTV acts are not hip-hop, they are rap and they lack substance in my opinion. |
What are you talking about? How are Talib Kweli, ghostface and Common just to pick a few not rappers? And why would Outkast be a guilty pleasure..i don't understand that at all. Vanilla ice being a guitly pleasure i would understand but not one of the most critically acclaimed acts ever.
Link to bombs over baghdad seems like a good choice right now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XBgXBvI8a0
And ghostface is gangsta..so what? Some of the best rappers are gangsta. IMO lyrics are not as important as the rappers skills and wordplay. It's no given that gangsta rappers are less skilled than guys of the backpacker or underground variety. |
Common and Talib are not gangsta, they are hip hop in my opinion. When I use the word rap I usually associate it with gangsta. Sorry if I confused you, you probably can't read my mind. I consider Outkast a guilty pleasure because their music (especially the newer stuff) is very different from what I usually listen to. They are a guilty pleasure to me, critical acclaim means nothing, I don't listen to bands because they have recieved critical acclaim, I listen to the because I like them.
And I made the point about ghostface being gangsta because I mentioned that I really don't like gangsta and I like him (along with the rest of the Wu-tang), thats what. I didn't say gangsta rappers are less skilled or bad, I said they tend to lack substance and I generally don't listen to them unless they are on the radio or playing in a club.
p.s. What is the backpacker variety of rap? |
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IncognitoHFX

Joined: 06 May 2007 Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
| You should re-title this thread "I'm old and i hate the things young people like". |
I used to be with it, but then they changed what "it" was. Now, what
I'm with isn't it, and what's "it" seems weird and scary to me. - Abe Simpson |
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OiGirl

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: Hoke-y-gun
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| It's great for those of us with ADD and no drugs... |
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JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| demaratus wrote: |
Common and Talib are not gangsta, they are hip hop in my opinion. When I use the word rap I usually associate it with gangsta. Sorry if I confused you, you probably can't read my mind. I consider Outkast a guilty pleasure because their music (especially the newer stuff) is very different from what I usually listen to. They are a guilty pleasure to me, critical acclaim means nothing, I don't listen to bands because they have recieved critical acclaim, I listen to the because I like them.
And I made the point about ghostface being gangsta because I mentioned that I really don't like gangsta and I like him (along with the rest of the Wu-tang), thats what. I didn't say gangsta rappers are less skilled or bad, I said they tend to lack substance and I generally don't listen to them unless they are on the radio or playing in a club.
p.s. What is the backpacker variety of rap? |
yea it was confusing as they are rappers. Hip Hop includes rap. Guilty pleasure normally refers to something that you like but which most people would think of as bad, cheesy or uncool. For example my guilty pleasure would be euro dance when i am cleaning my flat. everybody thinks eurodance is cheesy as hell including me but i still like it.
I suppose you can use it in other ways as well.
Give some other gangsta rappers a try because there are some great ones outside the clan.
Backpacker just means indie underground rap. Not sure where the name comes from or where i heard it. |
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JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| OiGirl wrote: |
| It's great for those of us with ADD and no drugs... |
If you have ADD get yourself a prescription of Adderol(sp)..good times. |
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demaratus
Joined: 13 Apr 2005 Location: Searching for a heart of gold, and I'm gettin' old
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
| demaratus wrote: |
Common and Talib are not gangsta, they are hip hop in my opinion. When I use the word rap I usually associate it with gangsta. Sorry if I confused you, you probably can't read my mind. I consider Outkast a guilty pleasure because their music (especially the newer stuff) is very different from what I usually listen to. They are a guilty pleasure to me, critical acclaim means nothing, I don't listen to bands because they have recieved critical acclaim, I listen to the because I like them.
And I made the point about ghostface being gangsta because I mentioned that I really don't like gangsta and I like him (along with the rest of the Wu-tang), thats what. I didn't say gangsta rappers are less skilled or bad, I said they tend to lack substance and I generally don't listen to them unless they are on the radio or playing in a club.
p.s. What is the backpacker variety of rap? |
yea it was confusing as they are rappers. Hip Hop includes rap. Guilty pleasure normally refers to something that you like but which most people would think of as bad, cheesy or uncool. For example my guilty pleasure would be euro dance when i am cleaning my flat. everybody thinks eurodance is cheesy as hell including me but i still like it.
I suppose you can use it in other ways as well.
Give some other gangsta rappers a try because there are some great ones outside the clan.
Backpacker just means indie underground rap. Not sure where the name comes from or where i heard it. |
Meh, semantics. To each their own  |
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