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jinju
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| A panda abandons a baby to die and you say "So what?" |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| A panda abandons a baby to die and you say "So what?" |
I think your understanding of the animal kingdom, let alone of life itself is pretty basic, isn't it? or are you just trolling for attention by pretending to be stupid again?
Humans abort their babies in the millions every year. Humans kill and torture eachother every day. humans fly planes into towers, explode nuclear bombs, rape women and children, poison the environment, cause global warming, kill whales dolphins and every other animal en masse, fill the air and the oceans with pollution, kill more fish than is sustainable: cut and burn the worlds rainforests; etc etc ad nauseum.
Humans are the worlds most dangerous and destructive animals. To themselves and every other living thing on earth.
So why then are you focussing on the natural behaviour of a panda? A threatened species. There are more people in an average train station at rush hour, than there are pandas left in the world.
Many species employ this same tactic. they have 2 offspring. Its a survival mechanism. In years when food is abundant, they raise both young. In years when food is scarce, they raise only one, and the other dies. Its an insurance policy. It maximises the number of young raised where possible.
if you understood anything about anything, you would already know that, right? |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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| The robotic nature I was referring to is in the mental programming, which is not "biological" or "instinctual." Free will is masked by the programming to greater or lesser degree in different individuals. |
I want to understand you, i really do but it's time to use "real terms" because I'm getting a bit lost.
What do you mean "mental programming"
When you put "biological or "instinctual" in speech marks? What do you mean by those words?
And when you say "masked", what masks it.
If I may be frank, it seems you don't really understand what instinct and free will are and how they differ. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| this thread reads like a dolphin trying to talk with a monkey |
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arjuna
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| The robotic nature I was referring to is in the mental programming, which is not "biological" or "instinctual." Free will is masked by the programming to greater or lesser degree in different individuals. |
I want to understand you, i really do but it's time to use "real terms" because I'm getting a bit lost. |
I am considering a response.
In the meantime, you may perhaps consider the proposal that the greatest enemy of mankind is not greed or hatred or ignorance, but that it is arrogance. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:17 am Post subject: |
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I am considering a response.
In the meantime, you may perhaps consider the proposal that the greatest enemy of mankind is not greed or hatred or ignorance, but that it is arrogance. |
Arrogance is saying that we are BETTER than animals.
I am only saying that our reasoning capacities make us DIFFERENT from animals. That's all. |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| I think Masson (whose book was mentioned earlier in the thread) makes the point that we interpret our observations differently depending on whether we're looking at a human or a nonhuman. A human mother takes good care of her child and we say, "She loves that child." A nonhuman mother behaves much the same way and we say, "It's just instinct." That's arrogance. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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It seems that our emotions are shared at least with all other mammals.
The part of our brain which is responsible for emotions is similar to the corresponding part of the brain found in all other mammal species. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:28 am Post subject: |
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Mammals, fine. What of REPTILES?
Apparently you walk up to mother crocs & snatch their babies away from them, often without the old girls even batting an eye 
Cold-blooded creatures, eh?
Hmmmm ... say, this has got me thinking.
Do some people possibly have more "REPTILIAN" DNA than more mammalian humans do?
What e.g. gives rise to a socio / psycho-pathic conscience?
Could it be? |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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As I understand it, reptiles have the same instincts we do,
but without the emotions added. |
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