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peppergirl
Joined: 07 Dec 2003
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| Son Deureo! wrote: |
| This has nothing to do with discrimination against foreigners. All Koreans also have to give their fingerprints when they get their national ID cards. |
This is what I wanted to say! If Koreans have to give fingerprints for their ID cards, then why not foreigners who are living here to get their equivalent of the ID card? I see no discrimination.
When I was in Japan I also was fingerprinted and my Japanese ARC had my fingerprint on it, which was discriminatory as Japanese do not have to give fingerprints! They also don't have an ID card. A few years back they changed the law and foreigners are not fingerprinted anymore in Japan. |
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J.B. Clamence
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 5:44 am Post subject: |
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| Even if Koreans didn't have to give their fingerprints, I still don't see anything discriminatory. We are not citizens of this country, and as such we are not entitled to the same rights and privileges that citizenship entitles one to. |
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panthermodern
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Taxronto
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| Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:15 am Post subject: |
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| I don't have fingerprints ... |
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Paji eh Wong
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:43 am Post subject: |
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I just realized I went into the new immigration office in Suwon to get my ARC last week, and didn't get fingerprinted. hmmm.
<smacks head in realization> Oh yeah, they already have my prints from the first time. Do you get printed the second time around? |
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Ghostinthemachine
Joined: 22 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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The police fingerprinted me when my aparment was burgled last year...even tho' they never dusted it for fingerprints.  |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 4:55 pm Post subject: yes |
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In that case, I'd tell em where to stick it.
I didnt mind so much, except for how the immigration officer was twisting and bending my hand. He almost broke my pinkie. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| kangnamdragon wrote: |
| They will probably start fingerprinting Americans at the airport. |
What in particular makes you say this Dragon ??? |
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Homer
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 4:45 am Post subject: |
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| Who cares. |
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jaderedux
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Lurking outside Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: Fingerprints |
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| Gollum wrote: |
Seems to me that people who are worried about it might be the ones who have reason to worry?
I don't intend to break the law, so it doesn't bother me either way. |
Heck yeah...and in fact let "em" tap your phone and read your mail too. Since you don't have to worry about being a criminal and all.
NO DAMN THANKS....I AGREE WITH MR. PYONGSHIN! (wait I think this might be the first time)
I am amazed at people who are so casual about their personal rights. So willing to let the government intrude on their lives. I can't for emember who said this but the jist was ....a man who gives up freedoms for security gets neither.
Folks don't be so damn eager to give away your rights or have the government keep track of you. I am still pissed off that babies have to have social security numbers. You don't need a damn social security number until you get a job. .......and oh btw you don't have to get fingerprinted to get social security number called local office in my home town. But that was in nebraska so they might not know....LOL
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Why go all the way to immigration for your fingerprints? Just get some paper and ink, and you can make some yourself, at home. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 5:26 am Post subject: Re: Get your fingerprints back from Immigration! |
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| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
I want my prints back! Now! I say it is WRONG to fingerprint foreigners indiscriminately, and guess what, the government agrees!
No More Black Fingers (2003.05.22)
by Bang Hyun-cheol ([email protected])
Most foreigners no longer need to have their fingerprints on record at the Immigration Office, the Justice Ministry said Thursday.
The fingerprint "seal" system for foreigners has been abrogated, the ministry said, although the formal procedures for changing the related law remain to be carried out. The system collected fingerprints of all foreigners over 20 years old who have stayed in the country for more than a year as well as foreigners whose fingerprints are needed for investigations, national security reasons or the interests of the Justice Ministry.
LINK |
Did that bill pass ??? Any follow up available ??? Unfortunately the news link apears to be long dead. |
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FUBAR
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: The Y.C.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| I dont intend on commiting any serious crimes over here. So, it doesnt bother me if they got my prints. Also help to identify me, if I was smoked by a bus or something like that. |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| No idea, I'm renewing this year so no need to do the whole process again. I wasn't fingerprinted in Seoul this April, but they still would have mine on record in Daejeon. Any newbies been printed recently? |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I have been fingerprinted for visas and residence permits in Brazil and here in Korea. The exercise was not repeated here for my extensions.
And, FWIW, on my last trip to USA under the "visa waiver program" with a machine-readable UK passport I was fingerprinted at Los Angeles although not on my two earlier trips in 2004 at Tijuana and Dallas. A nuisance, no more, merely an increase in the level of identification. As bio-passports come into play the nuisance factor will disappear.
Of course, as this happens, so will reciprocity. Remember the incident of the US pilots enterning Brazil? |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: Fingerprints |
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| Gollum wrote: |
| Fingerprints are a pretty failsafe way of identifying someone for doing something wrong. |
In theory. But it comes down to a human saying "this loop is the same as that loop". It's subjective in many cases and prone to a host of problems. There have been a number of cases where people have been wrongly "fingered" because of subjective assessments. For example, there was some lawyer in Oregon recently, I think he was defending some Muslims accused of terrorist activities, that was suddenly linked to the Madrid train bombings on finger print evidence. He pointed out he had never even set foot in Spain. How could they have his prints? Turned out the finger print annalist made a "mistake".
http://www.oregonlive.com/special/terror/index.ssf?/special/oregonian/terror/may040526_error.html
What's odd is for about a century we've always assumed finger printing was flawless without anyone ever doing a systematic review of false positives. Turns out there are more than we suspect. |
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