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Kuros
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 Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: ... |
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
Your thread title= atheist sunday school
To me that, and the discussion you follow with, implies that children are being taught atheism.
However, I don't see any evidence of atheism being taught here. |
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| "I'm a person that doesn't believe in myths," Hana says. "I'd rather stick to the evidence." |
Yeah, I think that's a pretty good indicator that atheism is being taught. Also that and the mention of the history of 'free-thinkers.'
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To my knowledge, Ten Little Indians isn't an atheist hymn. The little snippet you provide suggests that:
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instead of traditional Sunday-school songs like Jesus Loves Me
there is something wrong with that.
Do you have a problem with children going to school on the weekend if it isn't in support of Christianity?
That's the point I see. |
I think its heavily ironic. But I do not have a problem with atheism, no. I posted the article because I thought it would make for interesting discussion.
Perhaps I did not indicate above, but I'm agnostic. I just think that a history of atheism is a little wierd to be teaching a kid. Again, the mother lives in the shadow of a book that she doesn't even believe. A number of people who are atheists seem to understand my point (even if they don't believe it whole-heartedly). I'm not against it, no.
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| Is this more something akin to your suggestion elsewhere that we need religion in order to have morality? |
Ugh. No, that's not what I have said. I have said that science doesn't provide a morality. This is an explanation for why some people embrace religion. I'm pretty anti-culture war, but that's about it.
If you comb through the threads close enough, you'll see people suggest that atheists can be moral beings. I, of course, whole-heartedly agree.
Presenting a thread about the quirks of a single atheist parent is not an attack on atheism.
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| Are you honestly saying you want your children to read the Bible for literary reasons while you start a thread called "Atheist Sunday School"? |
Ha ha, yes! Sorry, I'm into the classics. John Stuart Mill started learning Greek when he was two. Exposing my kids to the Bible before they are ten is not going to hurt them. I might even send my children to Sunday School. I was raised Catholic and it didn't hurt me at all.
If you're searching for a reason why I posted this thread, look no further than this: The times, they are a-changin'. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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This is a tad off-topic, but I had to share. From Thomas Payne's "Age of Reason", which was of course, a repudiation of all Religions.
Here he is talking about Jesus' relative anonymity at the time of his betrayal by Judas:
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The manner in which he was apprehended shows that he was not much known, at that time; and it shows also that the meetings he then held with his followers were in secret; and that he had given over or suspended preaching publicly. Judas could no otherways betray him than by giving information where he was, and pointing him out to the officers that went to arrest him; and the reason for employing and paying Judas to do this could arise only from the causes already mentioned, that of his not being much known, and living concealed.
The idea of his concealment, not only agrees very ill with his reputed divinity, but associates with it something of pusillanimity |
That's right, you can look it up: Payne calls Jesus a p****!  |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:13 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
Your thread title= atheist sunday school
To me that, and the discussion you follow with, implies that children are being taught atheism.
However, I don't see any evidence of atheism being taught here.
For the record, I don't want atheism to be taught to anybody. Rather, I'd prefer people to come to their own conclusions.
To my knowledge, Ten Little Indians isn't an atheist hymn. The little snippet you provide suggests that:
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| instead of traditional Sunday-school songs like Jesus Loves Me |
there is something wrong with that.
Do you have a problem with children going to school on the weekend if it isn't in support of Christianity?
That's the point I see.
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| I want my children to learn the Bible because American literature is impossible to appreciate without an understanding of it. |
Oh really? Is that what's taught in AmCiv and AmLit classes? I've encountered Genesis, Job, and Revelations in formal studies. Ecclesiastes and some other bits along the way.
I don't see how they are essential to appreciating American literature.
Rather,I'd say growing up in a Christian society suffices for me to be able to appreciate the likes of Huckleberry Finn.
In fact, I think it suffices to appreciate even The Scarlet Letter.
Is this more something akin to your suggestion elsewhere that we need religion in order to have morality?
Are you honestly saying you want your children to read the Bible for literary reasons while you start a thread called "Atheist Sunday School"? |
Dawkins makes almost the same point as Kuros in thepeel's 'Four Horsemen' link. |
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