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Were you happier once you moved to South Korea or no?
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

on cloud nine for the first 8 months Very Happy

everything was wonderful, even the bumps in the road, so to speak

then my director got me a computer to go along with the two jindo puppies I got to raise (fun but a hassle), and i started spending more time at my rooftop apartment, joined Dave's (some real whackos back then), and then the honeymoon period suddenly ended (still mostly satisfied, but the protective lustre of new discovery had worn off)
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Traveller wrote:
agentX wrote:

Sometimes I step outside my door, I have no idea what to expect.

For instance just last week I travel 1 block and I see a woman in the bed of a pickup truck dressed in a hanbook holding a leash dragging a man with no shirt on (But a tie) down the street. Behind him are 6 dudes in suits and one of them is wearing a construction worker's hat and is hitting the guy with what I think is a bamboo sword.
I asked my co-teacher about this; she says it's "Korean Culture". Question

Ah, reminds me of San Francisco...


That is excellent! Too funny.


It took me a long time to figure out why you sometimes wander into a bank and suddenly there's a butcher there chopping up meat and people are selling corn. Ah, it's not just a bank, it's an agricultural bank. Or the stretch of time I couldn't figure out why Koreans were just marching up to trees and kicking them. I thought this was the anti-tree hugger nation. Took me a while to figure out they were trying to shake loose ginko nuts.
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actionjackson



Joined: 30 Dec 2007
Location: Any place I'm at

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:

A country will not make you happy or unhappy...you as a person do all of that.


I agree to some extent. A country no, but a terrible job can really make you miserable.


Don Gately wrote:

To every thing there is a season ...


Luckily for the ones in Korea there are four. I even hear that they're distinct.
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New Luck Toy



Joined: 19 Dec 2007
Location: Around the way.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Overall, I am glad I came here. I am getting screwed a bit at work, so that's a problem. I agree that finding the right job will go a long way towards making you happy.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am sure the first month is confusing and frustrating but afterwards being there - did it make you happier than your home country or were you the same? I want to know because I keep reading on the boards that some people think the people in South Korea are really unfriendly and rude. Is this the case or is it because the people going there are not aware of their cultural etiquette? What specifically is the best point of living in South Korea? I am not going to miss my family but what are some ways to ease into the transition?


I'm happy here for the most part and have stayed for nearly all of the last 14 years. I'm not married; I stay because I enjoy it.

I was getting burned out at the job back home, so when I got here and finally got a good job, I felt like I was in heaven. So I agree with the others that having a decent job here will make a huge difference in your emotional state. It does at home, too. Work is a large chunk of your day and if you find yourself dreading it, it sours the rest of the day.

I've always been a teacher and work hard at finding creative ways to teach, so I'm very happy with the job challenge. I teach adults and find that highly satisfying. At home, I taught high school. Face it, high school kids have little in the way of life experience. Good people, but not all that much to talk about. Here, I've met people with a huge variety of life experiences.

While there are a few rude Koreans, the percentage has to be much smaller than at home. What you have to understand though is that much of rudeness that does exist is culture-specific and you can't expect Koreans to do everything the same way we do in the West. Aside from that, Koreans are extremely friendly, warm and fun.

A lot of the negativity you read on this site is the result, in my opinion, of undiagnosed culture shock. Where else do you have people who get elbowed on the subway and save up the complaint for hours so they can post about how miserable their life is because of it? It's also commonly thought that a fair proportion of foreigners here are dysfunctional people, so that needs to be taken into account. Just in the past year, co-workers have been fired for: sexual harrassment (fondling women students, immitating pole dancing in class); chronic lateness; sleeping with students and chronic absence; wholesale incompetence on the job + scamming the students for free meals.

In my opinion, the way to transition into a contented life here is to be prepared to look at it as an adventure, with the ups and downs that an adventure entails. Be active in the things you enjoy doing and be ready to find new things to do in your free time. You will likely have more free time here, with a lot less TV to fill it with. Be ready to take up other activities to fill that time.

I believe that everyone who comes here ends up growing as a person.
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jacob7207



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like it here. I liked it back home with the exception that there weren't many jobs that payed over 12.00 an hour, that lasted longer than a few months because business was bad. Here, my boss takes care of me. He gave me a car, pays for my utilities and food as well. The hours aren't the greatest but they don't suck. The location is really nice. I can walk into Seoul in about 5 minutes yet I can go on a hike in the opposite direction for hours on end. The locals here are pretty down to earth, not up themselves like you would find among people in places like Gangnam or Apgujeong.

Just resigned my contract for a few more months, was given a hefty raise and the weather is beginning to mellow a bit as well. I am getting back outside some more back into running on the river which is great.

I do miss the snow capped mountains back home, the wild life, the relaxedness, and the fishing. I don't miss the super short summers with 22 hours of sunlight and super long winters with 3 hours of sunlight.

All in all, I would say that I was happy all along. I still am.
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BS.Dos.



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm enjoying it. Jobs good as is the social life. Koreans are okay. They can be a little too nosey and ask some rather inappropriate questions at times, but on the whole, they're pretty sound people.

Someone mentioned 'utlilitarian' in an earlier post, which I agree with. Apart from quaffing soju, I'm not sure that Koreans really know how to relax and enjoy themselves. From cradle to grave it's all work, work, work.

I've been here 6-months now and I've still yet to experience the 'inevitable' culture shock that I was told I would experience. Whenever I think of home, which is rarely, I cringe at the thought of being back there.
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TheChickenLover



Joined: 17 Dec 2007
Location: The Chicken Coop

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are many factors that I would say are essential to help you enjoy your stay while here. Sadly, I have met so many people who have come here on a shoestring budget that does not allow them any real security and are more often than not stressed out as they count & calculate their bank balances. A few things I would suggest to enjoying your stay here.

1) Come WITH money. It's too common people here actually live paycheck to paycheck. I don't care if you're just out of school, but at least have some common sense to have money in the bank in case you need it, & in most cases you WILL need it. I arrived here with roughly $10k & was able to make my purchases for necessities & got transportation straight away. Money in the bank is a good feeling. It's your security blanket that keeps you afloat when things can go t*ts up.

2) DON'T ride public transportation. I would say the first is a health issue. The amount of open sneezing & coughing in the germ tubes cannot be healhty. Also, many problematic encounters with the locals have occurred in these areas because many of them cannot hold down a steady job, have no money, take the cheapest form of transport & when they see you, you are their prime target. You are paid well enough to buy a car, & should buy one. New is best, used is fine. You will see a large difference in how people perceive you if you actually drive yourself around than if you have to take the bus. A car resembles status here, use it to your advantage & avoid the undesirables on public transport (haven't taken public transport in over 8 years) Cool

3) GET YOUR OWN HOUSING. Buy if you can, or pay rent, but YOU should have full control over your living conditions, not your employer. If you can, get a housing stipidend. If you lose your job, you still have a place to live with your extra bank balance while you look for replacement work. Being unemployed & potentially homeless at the whim of an unreasonable director is always too stressful to have at the back of your mind.

4) Don't teach kids. Yes, kids can be cute, but teaching fruits & animals can be entertaining for about 10 minutes. After that you're not much more than a well paid glorified babysitter. Teach people who are older, have some life experience & careers. They will be able to help you & some may become good friends during your stay here.

5) Excercise. Too many fat foreigners here. It's both digusting & overly unhealthy, not to mention an eyesore to look at.

6) Don't be identified by your job. Teaching here is a good means to make money, but use your focus on your other activities outside the workplace. Exercise, art, sports, hobbies, family. Teaching English is increadibly easy to do with enough experience that you can do it in your sleep without any real effort. What you do outside your job is how one may choose to be identified as.

7) NEVER trust your employers completely. They will burn you in some form or another. Stealing money, character assasination, promotion sabotage, office politics, you name it. I wrote a textbook that was published as a manuscript with my name "forgotten". After having the publisher recall the books, several weeks of angry phone calls to me (from someone I never expected who would steal my work), I've learned that if people can benefit or advance themselves at your expense, they will. It's a normal part of Korean culture here.

Cool Find love. Enjoy your time & be happy with your significant other.

9) Avoid gossip. Nothing good comes of it.

10) Avoid annoying people that give you stress. I've actually been avoiding 2 people at my workplace, they know something is wrong, but I just do not trust nor appreciate knowing everything I say or do is relayed through the grapevine.

my solution to that - I politley 'requested' to get a private office because it was just too noisy in the common teachers office for hours a day. They couldn't really argue that I had to stay in the noise.

11) Don't believe everything you read on Dave's cafe. This place can be addictive for gossip, but it really is poison for your time here.

Chicken
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Dome Vans
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

B.S. Dos wrote:

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Someone mentioned 'utlilitarian' in an earlier post, which I agree with. Apart from quaffing soju, I'm not sure that Koreans really know how to relax and enjoy themselves.


I think many countries now, mostly for young people binge drinking at the weekend and the occasional fracas while "heavily refreshed" is their idea of relaxing. Having been on a trip to Geoje Island with 22 other Korean teachers from my province last week, which was hilarious. I could see there is definately the bond between teachers. Seeing some beautiful scenery, getting out taking pictures, chatting, the inevitable soju followed by noraebang. It was definately an eye opener and I could see that with all the laughter there was the relaxing as well.

One thing I have found is the lack of bars and cafes overlooking a beautiful view. One thing I love about England is that somewhere beautiful will have a bar or cafe for people to sit and enjoy the view, that to me is very relaxing.

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Whenever I think of home, which is rarely, I cringe at the thought of being back there.


Come on B.S. you gotta love the idea of working in some bank or call centre somewhere????????????????????? And only really having the chance of going out with mingers. Case closed Crying or Very sad

The chicken lover wrote:

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11) Don't believe everything you read on Dave's cafe. This place can be addictive for gossip, but it really is poison for your time here.


Word to this. After coming back off christmas vacation I was nice and happy and contented, got back to Korea just popped in for a check and could just feel the cr*p on here. Misery loves company. So best advice is to use sparingly and even then only for info purposes.
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rationality



Joined: 05 Jul 2007
Location: Some where in S. Korea

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocked

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chris_J2



Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 8:56 pm    Post subject: Korea Reply with quote

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2) DON'T ride public transportation. I would say the first is a health issue. The amount of open sneezing & coughing in the germ tubes cannot be healhty. Also, many problematic encounters with the locals have occurred in these areas because many of them cannot hold down a steady job, have no money, take the cheapest form of transport & when they see you, you are their prime target.


Somewhat exaggerated, imho. Seoul subway network is safe, clean, cheap, goes almost everywhere, & is often quicker than the streets choked with bumper to bumper traffic. You are more likely to catch cold from the kids at school. There are usually no more than 6-7 vagrants OUTSIDE Seoul Stn, looking for money / cigs, but they're easily fobbed off. Just like the religious people seeking converts on weekends. Busan, I don't know as well, but I have used the subway there a few times, & never been hassled.

The rest of the advice by 'TheChickenLover' is spot on, though.


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europe2seoul



Joined: 12 Sep 2005
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
Disagree with the "it's not where you are, it's who you are" theory.

Numerous times people unhappy in one country were happy elsewhere. Not just job situation, location.

Location is important.


I agree location is important. I also lived in Japan in the deep countryside and there is nothing to do after work. I had a very nice salary with enough money to have great apartment and premium gourmet foods (matsusaka/kobe beef included) but apart from that nothing is there. No nightlife/social life, most people around me are way older than me. No people on the streets, etc.

In Korea in the country side, looks nice for a weekend getaway but Seoul is where the life is.

Maybe to some people who are introvert and like solitude for reading, writing, playing music or what not, it is good. Some people like to hike alone - I prefer to hike with a group of people...

And back home - wherever you live you know where you can get some stuff that you need (for hobbies that you have which are different than reading or writing) and find groups/social clubs to pursue them.

In Seoul at least you can mingle with people around your age with similar interests.
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Justin Hale



Joined: 24 Nov 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheChickenLover wrote:
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5) Excercise. Too many fat foreigners here. It's both digusting & overly unhealthy, not to mention an eyesore to look at.


Agreed. Might be an idea for foreigners to buy some clothes and shoes too. Dear me, the riff-raff I saw yesterday on the subway! Shocked The way in which hagwon jockeys dress compared to Koreans embarrasses and degrades those of us not from the ghetto.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good post chicken.

I will add my grain of salt to it if you do not mind Wink

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1) Come WITH money. It's too common people here actually live paycheck to paycheck. I don't care if you're just out of school, but at least have some common sense to have money in the bank in case you need it, & in most cases you WILL need it. I arrived here with roughly $10k & was able to make my purchases for necessities & got transportation straight away. Money in the bank is a good feeling. It's your security blanket that keeps you afloat when things can go t*ts up.


100% agree here!



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2) DON'T ride public transportation. I would say the first is a health issue. The amount of open sneezing & coughing in the germ tubes cannot be healhty. Also, many problematic encounters with the locals have occurred in these areas because many of them cannot hold down a steady job, have no money, take the cheapest form of transport & when they see you, you are their prime target. You are paid well enough to buy a car, & should buy one. New is best, used is fine. You will see a large difference in how people perceive you if you actually drive yourself around than if you have to take the bus. A car resembles status here, use it to your advantage & avoid the undesirables on public transport (haven't taken public transport in over 8 years)


I would disgree here as I think chicken is going overboard with the whole disease thing. I would say: ride public transit as it is excellent and efficient here. Most people I know have not had problematic encounters on public transport. Well, no more so than when they rode the subway or bus back home. The key is mind your own business and walk away if some wack job gets in your face. Wink

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3) GET YOUR OWN HOUSING. Buy if you can, or pay rent, but YOU should have full control over your living conditions, not your employer. If you can, get a housing stipidend. If you lose your job, you still have a place to live with your extra bank balance while you look for replacement work. Being unemployed & potentially homeless at the whim of an unreasonable director is always too stressful to have at the back of your mind.


When that is possible..I complete agree!

For many new teachers it is not possible due to limited funds or lack of knowledge about Korea. But after a while..by all means get your own place.

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4) Don't teach kids. Yes, kids can be cute, but teaching fruits & animals can be entertaining for about 10 minutes. After that you're not much more than a well paid glorified babysitter. Teach people who are older, have some life experience & careers. They will be able to help you & some may become good friends during your stay here.


Too simplistic in my view. Some people actually prefer teaching children. They get enormous satisfaction from doing so. Teaching kids is more stressfull if you are not the type of teacher that likes to teach kids. By the same token, teaching adults can be very stressfull if you are not confortable with the adult education dynamic.

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5) Excercise. Too many fat foreigners here. It's both digusting & overly unhealthy, not to mention an eyesore to look at.


Could not agree more!

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6) Don't be identified by your job. Teaching here is a good means to make money, but use your focus on your other activities outside the workplace. Exercise, art, sports, hobbies, family. Teaching English is increadibly easy to do with enough experience that you can do it in your sleep without any real effort. What you do outside your job is how one may choose to be identified as.


100% agree.

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7) NEVER trust your employers completely. They will burn you in some form or another. Stealing money, character assasination, promotion sabotage, office politics, you name it. I wrote a textbook that was published as a manuscript with my name "forgotten". After having the publisher recall the books, several weeks of angry phone calls to me (from someone I never expected who would steal my work), I've learned that if people can benefit or advance themselves at your expense, they will. It's a normal part of Korean culture here.


There is a fine line between paranoia and trust it seems! By all means know your rights and defend them. Be aware of what you can and cannot be asked to do. So cover your bases as advises here.


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9) Avoid gossip. Nothing good comes of it.


A universal truth...could not agree more.


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10) Avoid annoying people that give you stress. I've actually been avoiding 2 people at my workplace, they know something is wrong, but I just do not trust nor appreciate knowing everything I say or do is relayed through the grapevine.


Solid advice.

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11) Don't believe everything you read on Dave's cafe. This place can be addictive for gossip, but it really is poison for your time here.


Indeed...


My suggestions

12- Come prepared to teach and not for a paid holiday. Read up on teaching before you arrive. You will not regret it.


13- Expect differences and learn to deal with them rationally and to put them in perspective. Remember: different does not mean inferior or bad.

14- Put your students first. They are your responsibility as a teacher. Do not become a bingo clown. It helps no one.

15- If you intend on making a career out of ESL or on improving your lot here make sure you get references from your jobs, keep proof of your accomplishments (new lesson plans, activities you created), attend conferences when you can, network and by all means upgrade your qualifications!
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheChickenLover wrote:
1) Come WITH money. It's too common people here actually live paycheck to paycheck.


I'd say yes come with money. Having enough in the bank to buy a ticket home in case it all goes down hill is a must. But I don't know anyone who lives pay check to pay check here.

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2) DON'T ride public transportation.


I would still ride the subway and bus even if I had a car. I hate driving.

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3) GET YOUR OWN HOUSING. Buy if you can, or pay rent, but YOU should have full control over your living conditions, not your employer.


Way more trouble than it's worth if you're only here for a year or two.

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4) Don't teach kids.


The other option is adults and that usually means a split shift.


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5) Excercise. Too many fat foreigners here. It's both digusting & overly unhealthy, not to mention an eyesore to look at.


You have to work out far less if you're walking to the subway every day instead of driving your fat ass around. But I agree. Korea can be a fat camp that pays you. You will probably lose a lot of weight at the start. The stress, the extra activity. But after a year you'll probably settle into a routine. A gym can be rather expensive here although most Gus have a community center with a gym. Get your whitey wrangler at school to find it and set you up. I believe anyone with an ARC card showing you live in the GU can get access to it for either free or low cost.

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6) Don't be identified by your job. Teaching here is a good means to make money, but use your focus on your other activities outside the workplace.


I'm not sure how to avoid that. White people are teachers and we are scum. One of the main reasons I'm heading home and going back to a higher status job.

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7) NEVER trust your employers completely.


Indeed. And an employer with experience will not trust you. However, watch that this doesn't lead to a downward spiral. Each side interpreting a defensive act as jockeying for a chance to screw the employee/employer.

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Cool Find love. Enjoy your time & be happy with your significant other.


Easier said than done, anywhere on the planet. But I would have to say get a grip. If you're 38 and a fat slob and this is the best job you're ever going to get, don't shoot for some gangnam princess. If you had a GF back home, you'll find one here. If you've always been "screwed over by biatches" back at home and it's never your fault, well, you'll not find an easier time here. Always remember. It's easy to get A date in Korea. Just remember the "a" part. Don't be fooled by how easy it is to get a series of coffee dates. But be prepared for most of them to go no where.

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11) Don't believe everything you read on Dave's cafe. This place can be addictive for gossip, but it really is poison for your time here.


Very true. It does give one a distorted picture.
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