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bluelake
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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Christians are idiots. They annoy me so bad I simply can't stop venting about it. If I meet a person and then they tell me that they're a practicing Christian, my respect-o-meter crashes through the floor.
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I feel the same way about Evangelical Atheists... |
When was the last time an atheist murdered someone or many people for his/her cause?
...and don't say Hitler or Mao Tse Tung. |
Why not? You can't ask the question and then try to keep examples out. Just from the 20th C., to add to the two you mentioned, Joseph Stalin, Kim Il-sung, Kim Jong-il, and Pol Pot immediately come to mind. There is a list as long as history. |
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GreenlightmeansGO
Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I feel the same way about Evangelical Atheists... |
Do you believe in Zeus?
Do you believe in Poseidon?
Do you believe in Baal?
Do you believe in Anansi?
Do you believe in (insert any name of any god here)?
If you answered no to any of the above questions, you are an 'atheist' - you do not believe in certain 'theisms'.
To Christians, this is a suitable quote, 'I just believe in one god less than you'.
So, if anyone is outspoken about their religious beliefs, they are, at the same time, being 'Evangelical Atheists'.
You assert that Christianity is correct and, by implication, that any other religion is false. You are an 'Evangelical Atheist' to those religions.
I assert that no religion is correct. I am an 'Evangelical Atheist' to all religions.
You called yourself an idiot. |
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GreenlightmeansGO
Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Why not? You can't ask the question and then try to keep examples out. Just from the 20th C., to add to the two you mentioned, Joseph Stalin, Kim Il-sung, Kim Jong-il, and Pol Pot immediately come to mind. There is a list as long as history |
Here's a quote right back at ya':
'Christians like yourself invariably declare that monsters like Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, and Kim Il Sung spring from the womb of atheism. While it is true that such men are sometimes enemies of organized religion, they are never especially rational.* In fact, their public pronouncements are often delusional: on subjects as diverse as race, economics, national identity, the march of history, and the moral dangers of intellectualism.
The problem with such tyrants is not that they reject the dogma of religion, but that they embrace other life-destroying myths.'
Taken from Sam Harris - Letter to a Christian Nation (14)
Here's a Hitler quote:
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison___as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
Hitler said this in a speech on April 12, 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939. Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20. Oxford University Press, 1942).
I find these quotes disturbingly suitable...I wonder if you read this book and are actually trolling... |
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aaabank
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
- Mahatma Gandhi
Gandhi got it partially right. From what I've heard and read, Jesus was a pretty good guy. He stood up for what he believed in but he didn't force people to follow him. These days, some bible thumpers are so callous with their methods of attempting to "heal the sinners." Don't even get me started with the Mormon's conversion methods... |
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aaabank
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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Here's a Hitler quote:
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison___as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
Hitler said this in a speech on April 12, 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939. Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20. Oxford University Press, 1942).
I find these quotes disturbingly suitable...I wonder if you read this book and are actually trolling... |
Oh come now, Hitler was a master manipulator. Do you actually think that he believed in Christianity, truly believed? No "true" Christian would do the things he did. It is written in Christianity "thou shalt not kill", right? Hitler was using a means to an end. He wanted power. He analyzed the people he wanted to control, saw his opportunity with Christianity and seized it. To say that Hitler was a true Christian is like saying that Osama bin Laden is a true Muslim. The horrible acts of these men define them apart from whatever religion they claim to be. |
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GreenlightmeansGO
Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| You guys who continually post the anti-Christian stuff come off like - |
Shall we have a competition to complete the simile?
Here's my try
You guys who continually post the anti-Christian stuff come off like [b]typical, logical, intelligent individuals who have thought about their beliefs and see this Christian nonsense as the drivel it is.[ /b] |
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bluelake
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Why not? You can't ask the question and then try to keep examples out. Just from the 20th C., to add to the two you mentioned, Joseph Stalin, Kim Il-sung, Kim Jong-il, and Pol Pot immediately come to mind. There is a list as long as history |
Here's a quote right back at ya':
'Christians like yourself invariably declare that monsters like Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, and Kim Il Sung spring from the womb of atheism. While it is true that such men are sometimes enemies of organized religion, they are never especially rational.* In fact, their public pronouncements are often delusional: on subjects as diverse as race, economics, national identity, the march of history, and the moral dangers of intellectualism.
The problem with such tyrants is not that they reject the dogma of religion, but that they embrace other life-destroying myths.'
Taken from Sam Harris - Letter to a Christian Nation (14)
Here's a Hitler quote:
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison___as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
Hitler said this in a speech on April 12, 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939. Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20. Oxford University Press, 1942).
I find these quotes disturbingly suitable...I wonder if you read this book and are actually trolling... |
Nope, never read it. |
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blurgalurgalurga
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Ok, I'm in for the 'complete the simile!' game.
"You guys who continually post the anti-Christian stuff come off like..."
a)...a puked-on party dress.
b)...the skin on a boiled frog.
c)...a choir full of preachers.
I'll go with 'c.' |
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aaabank
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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I was raised in a house that didn't go to church until I was ~12 and then went to a Baptist church for 2 years, after which I decided on my own that having Sunday morning freed up to do other things was more important to me than attending services. In university, I discussed religious topics with friends of all backgrounds and for the most part was an agnostic (influenced heavily by R.A. Wilson's "Cosmic Trigger).
Since university, I attended some Buddhist dharma classes to learn more about their way of thinking and realized I am not Buddhist, and also lived in Taiwan and now in Korea.
What I now have come to believe in is spirituality. I believe that most religions attempt to put into writing something that exists outside of the realm of words. Spirituality cannot be studied in a book or "taught" to someone. That is the main reason why intellectual circles are so quick to discredit it. Those intellectuals lose their high ground when it comes to matters of spirituality and they don't like the feeling of not being able to quantify what it is. |
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GreenlightmeansGO
Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Still, disturbing...perhaps you are psychic. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| bluelake wrote: |
| IncognitoHFX wrote: |
| bluelake wrote: |
| IncognitoHFX wrote: |
Christians are idiots. They annoy me so bad I simply can't stop venting about it. If I meet a person and then they tell me that they're a practicing Christian, my respect-o-meter crashes through the floor.
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I feel the same way about Evangelical Atheists... |
When was the last time an atheist murdered someone or many people for his/her cause?
...and don't say Hitler or Mao Tse Tung. |
Why not? You can't ask the question and then try to keep examples out. Just from the 20th C., to add to the two you mentioned, Joseph Stalin, Kim Il-sung, Kim Jong-il, and Pol Pot immediately come to mind. There is a list as long as history. |
Because none of those people didn't kill for their Atheistic views. They killed for other ones. That was quite simple actually. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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Because none of those people didn't kill for their Atheistic views. They killed for other ones. That was quite simple actually. |
Far from simple. I'm still trying to figure out that first sentence. |
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bluelake
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| bluelake wrote: |
| IncognitoHFX wrote: |
| bluelake wrote: |
| IncognitoHFX wrote: |
Christians are idiots. They annoy me so bad I simply can't stop venting about it. If I meet a person and then they tell me that they're a practicing Christian, my respect-o-meter crashes through the floor.
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I feel the same way about Evangelical Atheists... |
When was the last time an atheist murdered someone or many people for his/her cause?
...and don't say Hitler or Mao Tse Tung. |
Why not? You can't ask the question and then try to keep examples out. Just from the 20th C., to add to the two you mentioned, Joseph Stalin, Kim Il-sung, Kim Jong-il, and Pol Pot immediately come to mind. There is a list as long as history. |
Because none of those people didn't kill for their Atheistic views. They killed for other ones. That was quite simple actually. |
Not simple at all. Atheism was at the base of most of their ideologies. KJI still kills based upon that. |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| remember, gandi is burning in hell right now because he was never baptised. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| remember, gandi is burning in hell right now because he was never baptised. |
The Catholic Church mourned Ghandi when he was assasinated and said he lived in conformance with Christian values. As far as being baptized, you do not need to be literally baptized according to the Catholic Church, as I understand. You have to be baptized by the Lord. There was a man who was on the Cross near Jesus and Jesus said he was going to heaven. That man was not literally baptized. This literal approach is more associated with Evangelical Protestants, not the mainstream Protestant churches and Catholics. Jesus was not that way.
As far as religion, I, personally, respect that people have their own traditions, their own beliefs, and I don't want to judge people as going to heaven or hell or wherever, because they don't think like me. It's too narrow-minded. |
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