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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| I am sorry but I don't understand the question. |
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Czarjorge
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Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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Ass.u.me
You're a silly fellow it seems, at least in this case. |
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stillnotking
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Location: Oregon, USA
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Yeah, and the last time a conservative Republican was President, 9/11 happened.
Your posts are usually a lot better than this. It's just garbage. |
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W.T.Carl
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| The planning for 9/11 occured while Slick Willie was in office. It would have occured regardless who won the 2000 election. But that is off the point. Carter was a was by and large a piss-poor president. Had his policies been continued the Soviet Union would have continued to expand. Europe would have been cowed into the being little better than Finland. Central America would have been turned into another Cuba and a bunch of silly Canadians would be starving at home. Without US support, and Carter want to withdraw all forces from the ROK, it is clear that Kim Il Sung would have moved into the South and the US military in it's weakened condition would not have been able to stop it. The only way to stop the North would have been with nukes, and we all know that "Jimmie" would not have used them. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Not all posters are equally reasonable on all subjects. Ya-ta boy is a nice poster, but he's incapable of discussing anything to do with Ron Paul. |
I agree with your larger point, however.
Actually, I think I was rather sane about discussing RP when his supporters first started talking about him here (after I Wikied him up and found out who he was). |
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Gopher
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Going to respond to that.
IGTG epitomizes the Ron Paul supporters here: she forced her views onto us, spammed the board incessantly, and denounced all Ron Paul losses as conspiracies. ThePeel foamed at the mouth and started chanting chants about Chalmers Johnson while accusing Americans of turning their backs on hope and wanting more death and destruction, etc. -- or something very much like it. Nearly all the Ron Paul supporters here are Canadians, antiAmerican Canadians, or conspiracy theorists from this or that country.
To assert that posters like Ya-ta Boy cannot talk about Ron Paul reasonably, and the embedded assertion would seem to be that Ron Paul's supporters here are reasonable or that Ron Paul himself and his positions are reasonable, would be the height of assininess or assinininity -- whatever the word may be. |
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jkelly80
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Location: you boys like mexico?
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Assassinate Khomeni , or throw him in secret prison never to be heard from again.
then support the Shah |
The Shah was not an option by that point. He was on his way out. What do you mean by support? Tell him he's doing a good job? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Pulling American recognition and/or support for the Shah -- just like Somoza in Nicaragua -- mostly a subtle thing, is understood to have played its part in bringing his govt down and permitting the revolutionaries to seize power.
As one historian has noted, revolutions rarely succeed; rather, govts often fail and collapse. These are without a doubt two different things. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Bob Shrum (a Republican) said on Meet the Press that McCain can't run the same old stuffy Republican campaign because he'll be seen as Bob Dole all over again. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, and the last time a conservative Republican was President, 9/11 happened.
Your posts are usually a lot better than this. It's just garbage. |
9-11 was in the planning before Bush was president. The fault is 50% Bush and 50% Clinton.
Bush never got had a real easy chance to get Bin Laden .
Khomeni on the other hand was living in France. He was giving interviews Easy kill or capture.
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| The Shah was not an option by that point. He was on his way out. What do you mean by support? Tell him he's doing a good job |
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Carter pressured him on human rights. Khomeni followers who don't care about that stuff when they are in power took advantage of that.
Make sure that the Shah has all the stuff necessary. I have to check this but towards the end the US would not send him rubber bullets or water cannons. tell him that if he uses his army the US will support him .
More than that Khomeni was very vunerable before he came to power.
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| Bob Shrum (a Republican) said on Meet the Press that McCain can't run the same old stuffy Republican campaign because he'll be seen as Bob Dole all over again. |
What does that have to do with the subject?
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catman
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| W.T.Carl wrote: |
The planning for 9/11 occured while Slick Willie was in office. It would have occured regardless who won the 2000 election.
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True. But if Al Gore had been president he would have gotten the blame. No doubt.
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Carter was a was by and large a piss-poor president. Had his policies been continued the Soviet Union would have continued to expand.
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How? Carter wasn't withdrawing forces from Europe. The Soviet Union still was financially weakening.
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Europe would have been cowed into the being little better than Finland. |
Finland? 
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| Central America would have been turned into another Cuba |
Much of Latin America turned out to be worse than Cuba.
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| and a bunch of silly Canadians would be starving at home. |
How is that now? 
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Without US support, and Carter want to withdraw all forces from the ROK, it is clear that Kim Il Sung would have moved into the South and the US military in it's weakened condition would not have been able to stop it. The only way to stop the North would have been with nukes, and we all know that "Jimmie" would not have used them. |
Conjecture. |
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catman
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| Assassinate Khomeni , or throw him in secret prison never to be heard from again. |
So another religious nut takes his place? Or maybe the best case scenario would have been the commies taking over Iran? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Assassinate Khomeni , or throw him in secret prison never to be heard from again. |
So another religious nut takes his place? Or maybe the best case scenario would have been the commies taking over Iran? |
Khomeni was just about the worst possible alternative.
No one could have been worse than him.
Anyway for the record
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The Carter administration blocked exports of tear gas and rubber bullets to Iran, and was also implicated by some commentators in a scandal involving Jimmy Carter demanding financial favours from the Shah. Some also attributed these actions against the Shah to Carter's attempts to warm up to the Soviet Union. Prior to the Iranian Revolution of 1979, Iran had one of the world's largest number of students residing in the United States.
In 1979, Iranians revolted and the Shah was ousted for a second time. Ayatollah Khomeini became Iran's new leader and soon began issuing vicious rhetoric against the United States, describing the country as the "Great Satan" and a "nation of infidels."
The American administration under President Jimmy Carter refused to give the Shah any further support and expressed no interest in attempting to return him to power. A significant embarrassment for Carter occurred when the Shah, as of that time suffering from cancer, requested entry into the United States for treatment. After pressure from Kissinger and Rockefeller, among other pro-Shah political figures, Carter reluctantly agreed, but the move was used by the Iranian revolutionaries' to justify their claims that the former monarch was an American puppet and led to the storming of the American embassy by radical students allied with the Khomeini faction.
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http://www.angrysmile.com/america_fp.htm |
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jkelly80
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Location: you boys like mexico?
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and was also implicated by some commentators in a scandal involving Jimmy Carter
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Why even post that "implicated by some commentators" bunk? That's crappy and sensationalist journalism. Sources, perhaps? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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look at the source it doesn't seem like a pro war site.
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Here's the deal: You can say whatever you want about Iraq and our situation in the Middle East. I have only two concerns when it comes to this issue: The safety of every single soldier who is serving in our military; and the ability for America to be both properous and self-sustaining. America used to be the number one exporter, manufactuerer and creditor in the world. We commanded respect through our words and actions. Now we command respect through occupation and corruption. And for what? (Hint: hi'dra-k�r'bans)It is time to examine more closely what the rest of the world means to us. |
and what they say about rubber bullets and tear gas not being sold is not just on that site. |
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