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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:59 am Post subject: |
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Gopher wrote :
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| ...I completely disagree with nearly everything Coulter and Limbaugh and the other right-wing media personalities say. .. |
Well - case closed Gopher has no chance of ever getting the support of the right wing establishment. |
Golly gosh, Joo, did you use the search function to find that quote? Be careful. That's stalking, you know. Criminal behavior in these parts. Don't let Gopher catch you using it to find something he said at some other time and in some other place. Shame, shame.
Gopher:
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The foaming-at-the-mouth Moron Twins and the drooling-in-a-cup Mental Patient wrote:
...you flagwaving crybaby...rabid hypocrite...ah, he is pretty whiny, eh? Squeaky wheel ( *squeak, squeak*)...Gopher just has a much larger head than the rest of us...Or else, he's simply been driven completely mad by an insatiable lust for power...The Subterranean Rodent...a mindless flagwaving tool droning "America-love-or-leave-it" and "My country-is-never-wrong-even-when it IS-wrong" and other catchphrases learnt by heart and never thought clearly through to the ultimate absurdity embedded within...contradictory...inhuman, insensitive and insensible...simply WRONG...I won't sob in my pillow that someone is "stalking" me....sheesh, I mean, gimme a break...waving around your victim card...whine about being prosecuted...you really ARE a flagwaver.
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Didn't all this come AFTER you accused another member of the forums of criminal behavior? (Cyber-stalking is a pretty serious crime in Korea, and the govt here treats it as such.)
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| This is pretty rich, Bobster. "Politely being requested," huh? |
Just looked again at both threads, and I stand by this. The guy you called a cyber-criminal merely presented two quotes spaced two years apart, and any insults were unnecessary due to the disparity between the two comments. On the other thread, some people remarked that the poll and many of the assumptions made were subjective - not one person there insulted you personally - and your reply was that those people were anti-American, after which the only thing coming close to an insult was an expression of pity and some speculation that you have "control issues." Rather mild, really.
And it continues even to your most recent reply - no attempt to explain discrepancies about "always support the US govt" vs "not a flagwaver" ... and all the while asserting that those who disagree with you don't love America, and that you love America more than we do, and therefore you are too cool for school and the rest of us are, like, total dweebs.
Offhand, it does look like classic flagwaver behavior to me, two years ago and now.
Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but the most disturbing part about all this is the fact that apparently we hurt your feelings real bad. I'm not sure how we're going to make it up to you. I'll go off for a while and think about it, and maybe something will come to me. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:28 am Post subject: |
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This thread is stupid now in this way. Gopher is not a right winger or a mindless flag waver . No one who is right wing would consider him to be so. Period.
Two years of posting will show it. As much as he is a flag waver he would look good to the majority of US citizens.
I am really glad I don' t have to argue with him on real issues but that your is your bad luck. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:41 am Post subject: Re: Idealism vs Vicious Lust for Power |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee:
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| Gopher is not a right winger or a mindless flag waver . No one who is right wing would consider him to be so. |
So you guys don't want him either. Why does this not surprise me even a litte ...
I recall asking him why he wants to vote for a party he hasn't agreed with for the past 8 years, when all indications are that a GOP win this year will make those past GWB administrations look like McCain Lite. The only response I can recall him giving is about liberal this and liberal that and hey, semper fi, dude, you just keep on always supporting the US govt and loving America more than anyone else, okay?
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| My prediction: The Democrats are going to let the Republicans play the fear card�fear of Moslems, fear of blacks, fear of women. They are going to let the Republicans vote for torture and claim to be the true patriots and get away with it. Again. The Democrats are going to sit in the corner and pout while the Republicans say they believe in small government while they invade our private lives and our private decisions, all in the name of their version of Christian theology. The Republicans are going to wave the flag, thump the Bible and make empty promises they have no intention of fulfilling and the Democrats are going to gaze at their navels and ask what went wrong this time. |
Apologies, Yata, for neglecting your OP for so long, but I disagree with your prediction.
I think Obama will get the nomination, and I think Mc Cain will not play the fear card because it's not in his temperament (I respect him as a man, but we can do without more of the policies he's promoting) but also because I think he's too smart for that, it would just feed Barack's hope and change tropes.
And, to the extent he's able to hold back the dogs, McCain won't allow the race-baiting to happen, either. He's too decent to let that go on, and he suffered at the hands of the racist idealogues in his party back when he lost the primaries to Our Dear Incumbent back in '04 - and he's already publicly admonished a talk-show host who warmed up the crowd at a McCain speaking engagement by making a lot of anti-Arab innuendos in Obama's direction by repeated use of the candidate's middle name.
Once the Democrats get their house in order, the debate needs to go to the Iraq war, because that's the important difference between the two sides this year: both Dem candidates say they want to end it, and McCain wants it to go on for a 100 years. The big problem the GOP faces is that a lot of republicans (even those calling themselves conservatives) think Iraq is bad for America, surge or no surge.
As I say, I like McCain as a man, and everything I've seen about him makes me think he'll fight fair. He's been Swift-boated himself, so I don't think he'll allow that to happen for him. That's why I think the Democrats will take it all home in November. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:02 am Post subject: Re: Idealism vs Vicious Lust for Power |
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[quote="The Bobster"]Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee:
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| Gopher is not a right winger or a mindless flag waver . No one who is right wing would consider him to be so. |
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| So you guys don't want him either. Why does this not surprise me even a litte ... |
I dunno I voted for Clinton 2x and Gore one time.
The concept of right wing on this board is being done by more than a few who drank the Koolaide and live in Chomsky land.
The words make me think of the words of Cindy Sheehan and what she called Nancy Pelosi Cindy Sheehan thinks Clinton and Pilocy are right wingers or something like that . I will get the quote at some other time.
Anyway I am glad I don't have to go debate Gopher that is for sure. As far as I am concerned he is a good guy who knows heck of a lot on most subjects.
For the record I am sure that most Southern Republicans wouldn't agree with me either.
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| I recall asking him why he wants to vote for a party he hasn't agreed with for the past 8 years, when all indications are that a GOP win this year will make those past GWB administrations look like McCain Lite. The only response I can recall him giving is about liberal this and liberal that and hey, semper fi, dude, you just keep on always supporting the US govt and loving America more than anyone else, okay? |
Well there might be one issue that he considers important.
Korea 58 years.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:42 am Post subject: |
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| Oh yeah: I will always support the United States govt in conversations where people denounce its motives as purely evil throughout history; |
Um, actually, no one did that, neither on this thread, nor one from 2 years ago. One or two people said that all nations act in their self-interest. This would seem to dovetail nicely with the reality-based politics you have discussed, but it seems you found it not to your liking anyway, and started tossing labels about rather than make the coherent argumant that was politely being requested.
Someone disagrees with Gopher, that person hates America. So, it looks like you really ARE a flagwaver. Still. Okay, then.
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| and I am no mindless patriotic flagwaver |
Wait a minute, didn'y you just say you will ALWAYS support ... ah, never mind.
Yes never mind, because the last part of the quote after "support" defines in just what cases he will always support the U.S. In other words his support was conditional and not unconditional. But we can't have anything approaching fairness towards Mr. Gopher now
Busy day for you. All those personal remarks thrown about like confetti amid the appeals for sympathy over being abused so badly, when it might have been easier to simply and clearly explain the distinction between "not a flagwaver" and "I will always defend the United States govt."
Except that Gopher didn't say "I will always defend the United States govt." YOU put that period there. You have stooped to new lows there Bob. What Gopher said was, and I quote (AND YOU even quoted it as well) was "Oh yeah: I will always support the United States govt IN CONVERSATIONS WHERE PEOPLE DENOUNCE ITS MOTIVES AS PURELY EVIL THROUGHOUT HISTORY:" (capitals are mine)
He said nothing about always supporting the United States in OTHER conversations. So now the question is: Can you not read what you quoted or did you deliberately put that period in the middle of Gopher's REAL sentence thus changing the meaning of his post?
Except "general sympathy" is pretty far removed from "I will always defend the US govt," wouldn't you say? I would say.
Yes we know that's what YOU would like to portray other posters as saying. The trouble here that Mr. Gopher (as I showed above) did not say that . Pretty low old bean and not quite cricket.
And yet, he's NOT a flagwaver. No, sir, he is not. Not that. Not this year, and not two years ago, either. Nope. |
(responses in bold are mine) |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you Urban Myth, for reading what I wrote in the context in which I wrote it.
Bobster: golly gosh. I mean, sheesh. Cuz. Ya know, really, dude. The way you talk, perhaps you ought to change your name here to "TheBeaver." But that would not work, would it? The Beave was a pretty honest guy, as I recall. I also think he sometimes showed that he understood nuance and that sometimes when people say things, like, say, when they merely present two quotes out of context, this carries obvious implications -- even an impolite, in-your-face, yet still subtle and cowardly allegation or two. And if there is a pattern of this behavior, especially when good-faith questions such as "how do you reconcile this?" might have been asked instead but were not...well, golly gosh, Bobbie, need I really explain this to you, ya moran?
...and by the way, I am not the only one to note your partner in crime's bitter, stalking pattern on this message board. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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All quotes were provided within their contexts. There have been no instances in either of these threads of poeple who denounce America's motives as purely evil. Your crying about being "stalked" bores me, and I wonder why you persist in it as it unlikely to get you the sympathy you crave. You have not tried to reconcile the contradictions of your statements, not even a little. You HAVE accused those who disagree with you of being antiAmeriocan, and this is usually the last refuge of a scoundrel, but as we have seen in your case it is also the first, second and every single one in between. And your insults persist.
You look weak. You deserve no respect, and you'll get none, no respect and no quarter. Semper fi all you want, but this is not the way a good Marine would behave. Stand up for yourself. Treat yourself with dignity and stop making me ashamed of my country by your lame behavior. I'm done with you until you grow a pair and stand up for yourself.
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Yup, NowhereMan tends to have a long memory about posts people make. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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Yup, NowhereMan tends to have a long memory about posts people make. |
You guys are wierd. It's called a search function, one of the many bells and whistles this site and others like it have at our disposal. Can someone explain to my why using it is criminal behavior?
It's very simple. Either believe in what you say and say it clearly or be ready to backpeddle or at least clarify any internal logical contradictions between your utterances last week or three years ago and the ones you made this morning. What is so hard about that? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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Yup, NowhereMan tends to have a long memory about posts people make. |
You guys are wierd. It's called a search function, one of the many bells and whistles this site and others like it have at our disposal. Can someone explain to my why using it is criminal behavior?
It's very simple. Either believe in what you say and say it clearly or be ready to backpeddle or at least clarify any internal logical contradictions between your utterances last week or three years ago and the ones you made this morning. What is so hard about that? |
I don't get the sense he's calling me on my contradictory statements, however. One gets the sense that NowhereMan's burned about a previous position you've held, and takes it as some sort of theme and attacks you.
That last paragraph, the way you put it is just right. But it implies a more collegial attitude. One that doesn't exist on chat boards (possibly because its boring and sterile to be polite to people across a computer screen). |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:16 am Post subject: |
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All the stalking accusations and counteraccusations aside, I've said more then once why I support Obama.
It has nothing to do with hating the Clintons, I actually voted for Bill Clinton twice and helped with the DNC coordinated campaign in 1996. It has more to do with changing how things are done and the fact that Clinton has done some things that I personally disagree with. The 2002 vote for the war is one of those reasons. Her cozy relationship with Rupert Murdoch is another.
I've commented countless times that the reason Hillary is losing this election has nothing to do with Obama or his supporters. It comes down the a campaign that is being run poorly. To quote Keith Olbermann, :Sen. Clinton:This is not a campaign strategy. This is a suicide pact." |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:25 am Post subject: |
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All the stalking accusations and counteraccusations aside, I've said more then once why I support Obama.
It has nothing to do with hating the Clintons, I actually voted for Bill Clinton twice and helped with the DNC coordinated campaign in 1996. It has more to do with changing how things are done and the fact that Clinton has done some things that I personally disagree with. The 2002 vote for the war is one of those reasons. Her cozy relationship with Rupert Murdoch is another.
I've commented countless times that the reason Hillary is losing this election has nothing to do with Obama or his supporters. It comes down the a campaign that is being run poorly. To quote Keith Olbermann, :Sen. Clinton:This is not a campaign strategy. This is a suicide pact." |
Funny I voted for Clinton 2x and Gore once.
But not this time. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:27 am Post subject: ... |
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| I don't get the sense he's calling me on my contradictory statements, however. One gets the sense that NowhereMan's burned about a previous position you've held, and takes it as some sort of theme and attacks you. |
Did somebody run out of threads to go poop on?
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| ...and by the way, I am not the only one to note your partner in crime's bitter, stalking pattern on this message board. |
Cyber-stalking, per the forum rules, is not allowed. If you and whoever else wants to join your crybaby chorus thinks they have a legitimate accusation to make, contact a mod. Contact Dave Sperling, for that matter. Otherwise, you're just whining.
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| Funny I voted for Clinton 2x and Gore once. |
Yes, you and the flagwaving crybaby brandish this information like it's some holy talisman that makes your nationalist, militarist, pro-torture, anti-civil rights positions somehow moderate, nuanced, and (most laughably) superbly well-reasoned. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: ... |
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| I don't get the sense he's calling me on my contradictory statements, however. One gets the sense that NowhereMan's burned about a previous position you've held, and takes it as some sort of theme and attacks you. |
Did somebody run out of threads to go poop on?
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Let's see your wonderful research skills in action, because you'll need it for this challenge. Find for us the last thread in which you've made a substantive contribution to the topic. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: ... |
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
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| I don't get the sense he's calling me on my contradictory statements, however. One gets the sense that NowhereMan's burned about a previous position you've held, and takes it as some sort of theme and attacks you. |
Did somebody run out of threads to go poop on?
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Let's see your wonderful research skills in action, because you'll need it for this challenge. Find for us the last thread in which you've made a substantive contribution to the topic. |
Has been awhile hasn't it?
As for the OP, while I wouldn't 100% agree with your analysis, I do share your opinion that the democrats have a good chance at losing the Presidential race in November. That being said, they're not incompetent enough to lose Congress. Looks like the Republicans are going to get destroyed even more than they did in 2006.
Now if the Dems don't manage to rout the Republicans in congressional races AND lose the presidential race, the democratic party should just cease to exist. |
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