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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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I hope the US leaves Korea because in any war the boys dying will be Korean anyway. |
The Koreans are so screwed if the Yankees up and leave 
Face it, the Americans (through all their faults) are the best friends the Korean people had ever had. Period!
In no other time in Korean history have the Korean people (at least South Koreans) have had as much prosperiety, freedom, and to a certain extent safety. |
riiight. About 20 percent of the Korean population died in that war, millions more than Japanese died in WW2. Korea is also still a divided country. If that's America successfully protecting Korea I really don�t want to see its failures..Oh yeah Iraq.
Yes, let's celebrate what we've all achieved, the millions of brave Koreans who have served in her armed forces at the DMZ and in Vietnam, and the brave US, British commonwealth, and other soldiers who didn�t' t want to be in Korea but who still gave it their all. But there's still a lot left to be done. |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| komerican wrote: |
| endo wrote: |
| komerican wrote: |
I hope the US leaves Korea because in any war the boys dying will be Korean anyway. |
The Koreans are so screwed if the Yankees up and leave
Face it, the Americans (through all their faults) are the best friends the Korean people had ever had. Period!
In no other time in Korean history have the Korean people (at least South Koreans) have had as much prosperiety, freedom, and to a certain extent safety. |
riiight. About 20 percent of the Korean population died in that war, millions more than Japanese died in WW2. Korea is also still a divided country. If that's America successfully protecting Korea I really don�t want to see its failures..Oh yeah Iraq.
Yes, let's celebrate what we've all achieved, the millions of brave Koreans who have served in her armed forces at the DMZ and in Vietnam, and the brave US, British commonwealth, and other soldiers who didn�t' t want to be in Korea but who still gave it their all. But there's still a lot left to be done. |
Whats left to be done has to be done by the Koreans themselves (KJI notwithstanding).The US is not some omnipotent godlike entity. The US cant force the Koreas to unify.
The South Korean public doesnt even want unification anyway. They dont want to pay for it. How's that for brotherly love.
You are so delusional Komerican. It is the US defense of this place for the last 50 years that allowed Korea to develop economically. period. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| SK already has the know-how to produce nukes and we could make them in short order, as could Japan. |
We? So you've changed citizenship now? Last I heard (from you, IIRC), you're an American. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I was surprised to read this. |
That's because it's a case of responsible journalism, something you rarely get from the KT or KH.
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| He has more integrity than you'll ever see from most English teachers. |
Care to provide some kind of statistical study on that broad-brush assertion? Most of the native English teachers I encounter have quite a lot of integrity.
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| �I think the United States really blew it,� Concilus said. �The United States said they were sorry, but they didn�t show the kind of remorse and regret that I think would be expected in either Japanese or Korean culture |
Why should someone admit to guilt for something that's not their fault? The driver of the vehicle didn't run the children down intentionally. It was an accident. And the US did show regret and remorse. That article even mentioned the sorrow payment. What the vocal minority of Koreans wanted, though, was the driver's blood. It didn't matter that it wasn't his fault.
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| �The Americans kind of blithely ithought a court-martial would solve the problem, but of course, it didn�t. The Koreans saw that as a kangaroo court, where nobody was punished,� he said. |
And their preconceived perception of the trial equated to reality...how, exactly? The court-martial was a trial of fact. The evidence presented by both the prosecution and the defense is what the court used to determine the facts of the matter. And before you go on yet another anti-American tirade, a court-martial is a real trial with real judges, real lawyers, real juries, and is not a kangaroo court. The defendant, unlike what the vocal minority of Koreans wanted in that case, actually do have constitutional rights. |
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Typhoon
Joined: 29 May 2007
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| komerican wrote: |
| endo wrote: |
| komerican wrote: |
I hope the US leaves Korea because in any war the boys dying will be Korean anyway. |
The Koreans are so screwed if the Yankees up and leave
Face it, the Americans (through all their faults) are the best friends the Korean people had ever had. Period!
In no other time in Korean history have the Korean people (at least South Koreans) have had as much prosperiety, freedom, and to a certain extent safety. |
riiight. About 20 percent of the Korean population died in that war, millions more than Japanese died in WW2. Korea is also still a divided country. If that's America successfully protecting Korea I really don�t want to see its failures..Oh yeah Iraq.
Yes, let's celebrate what we've all achieved, the millions of brave Koreans who have served in her armed forces at the DMZ and in Vietnam, and the brave US, British commonwealth, and other soldiers who didn�t' t want to be in Korea but who still gave it their all. But there's still a lot left to be done. |
First, I am not American and do not like American as a poitical entity. However, South Koreans should be kissing the Americans pasty white asses for saving them. If not for the USA, Korean would have been united by Kim Il Sung and the people of South Korea would have had 60 years of repression, poverty, mismanagement, killing, gulags and abuse to complain about. The fact that people like you seem to forget this makes me sick. By no means was the Korean war a success, but the South is far better off than it would have been if the North had been allowed to control all of Korea. South Koreans owe the USA and others who defended their country and kept them free a huge debt of gratitude. The fact that South and North Korea have not been able to bury the hatchet and reunify lies at the laps of Korean politicians, not with the United States.
How many South Koreans would trade places with the average North Korean? I wonder why people would not want to trade places to live in the North. Would you want to give up your life and exchange it with one of your brother's to the North, Koamerican?
If the South had not been keeping the North running over the past decade with enormous aid shipments they would have fallen and reunification would have occurred. However, that is the last thing the South wants. They do not want to reunify because they are not prepared to have another 30 million untrained, uneducated, brainwashed and starving people to be responsible for.
It is time for you to get your facts straight Koamerican. If you don't like the life you have in the USA I am sure you will be able to go to North Korea as defector. No one will stop you and you will be able to see what a great life you are missing out on. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:52 am Post subject: |
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| That's right, Typhoon. Komerican is completely blind to the facts of the matter, driven by his hatred for his own country. Didn't you notice where he tossed up the word "we" upthread referring to South Koreans. No matter what he tells himself, his brothers, as you called them, will certainly let him know that he is not Korean when it comes down to brass tacks. |
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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Beej wrote: |
| komerican wrote: |
| endo wrote: |
| komerican wrote: |
I hope the US leaves Korea because in any war the boys dying will be Korean anyway. |
The Koreans are so screwed if the Yankees up and leave
Face it, the Americans (through all their faults) are the best friends the Korean people had ever had. Period!
In no other time in Korean history have the Korean people (at least South Koreans) have had as much prosperiety, freedom, and to a certain extent safety. |
riiight. About 20 percent of the Korean population died in that war, millions more than Japanese died in WW2. Korea is also still a divided country. If that's America successfully protecting Korea I really don�t want to see its failures..Oh yeah Iraq.
Yes, let's celebrate what we've all achieved, the millions of brave Koreans who have served in her armed forces at the DMZ and in Vietnam, and the brave US, British commonwealth, and other soldiers who didn�t' t want to be in Korea but who still gave it their all. But there's still a lot left to be done. |
Whats left to be done has to be done by the Koreans themselves (KJI notwithstanding).The US is not some omnipotent godlike entity. The US cant force the Koreas to unify.
The South Korean public doesnt even want unification anyway. They dont want to pay for it. How's that for brotherly love.
You are so delusional Komerican. It is the US defense of this place for the last 50 years that allowed Korea to develop economically. period. |
I'd prefer a confederation but with a united military. I don't think that the national interests of SK are identical with the US or with Japan. We want gradual unification, whereas, for example, japan would prefere the status quo. I agree with you that korea's alliance with the US has develped South Korea. All I'm saying is that if we're looking at history why not look at the whole of history. Americans are here in Korea for their own interests. No American president would send American boys to shed blood for korean ajummas and ajoshis.
I support the alliance but we should have mutual respect.
| CentralCali wrote: |
| komerican wrote: |
| I was surprised to read this. |
That's because it's a case of responsible journalism, something you rarely get from the KT or KH.
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| He has more integrity than you'll ever see from most English teachers. |
Care to provide some kind of statistical study on that broad-brush assertion? Most of the native English teachers I encounter have quite a lot of integrity. |
you know they never released blood tests for those drivers. Every westerner knows that after these sorts of vehicle incidents the blood test results are made public. No poster on any expat site ever mentions this. Nor do they mention other issues. It's just been my experience that most westerners just toe the party line.
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| �I think the United States really blew it,� Concilus said. �The United States said they were sorry, but they didn�t show the kind of remorse and regret that I think would be expected in either Japanese or Korean culture |
Why should someone admit to guilt for something that's not their fault? The driver of the vehicle didn't run the children down intentionally. It was an accident. And the US did show regret and remorse. That article even mentioned the sorrow payment. What the vocal minority of Koreans wanted, though, was the driver's blood. It didn't matter that it wasn't his fault. |
even in accidents people are held culpable for negligence. Here, no one was found liable when in fact it was clear that there was negligence. As for the regret part, keep in mind that US denied all responsibility for the accident before the investigation. This incident also was the last straw after decades in which the US army would pay a paltry 200 dollars in compensation for civilian traffic fatalities. The fact that the US handles incident like this differently now is proof of how inept their handling of similar incidents were in the past.
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| �The Americans kind of blithely ithought a court-martial would solve the problem, but of course, it didn�t. The Koreans saw that as a kangaroo court, where nobody was punished,� he said. |
And their preconceived perception of the trial equated to reality...how, exactly? The court-martial was a trial of fact. The evidence presented by both the prosecution and the defense is what the court used to determine the facts of the matter. And before you go on yet another anti-American tirade, a court-martial is a real trial with real judges, real lawyers, real juries, and is not a kangaroo court. The defendant, unlike what the vocal minority of Koreans wanted in that case, actually do have constitutional rights. |
Yes, the defendants have rights but I think the public was already enraged by the way the Army initially handled the case.
| Typhoon wrote: |
| komerican wrote: |
| endo wrote: |
| komerican wrote: |
I hope the US leaves Korea because in any war the boys dying will be Korean anyway. |
The Koreans are so screwed if the Yankees up and leave
Face it, the Americans (through all their faults) are the best friends the Korean people had ever had. Period!
In no other time in Korean history have the Korean people (at least South Koreans) have had as much prosperiety, freedom, and to a certain extent safety. |
riiight. About 20 percent of the Korean population died in that war, millions more than Japanese died in WW2. Korea is also still a divided country. If that's America successfully protecting Korea I really don�t want to see its failures..Oh yeah Iraq.
Yes, let's celebrate what we've all achieved, the millions of brave Koreans who have served in her armed forces at the DMZ and in Vietnam, and the brave US, British commonwealth, and other soldiers who didn�t' t want to be in Korea but who still gave it their all. But there's still a lot left to be done. |
First, I am not American and do not like American as a poitical entity. However, South Koreans should be kissing the Americans pasty white asses for saving them. If not for the USA, Korean would have been united by Kim Il Sung and the people of South Korea would have had 60 years of repression, poverty, mismanagement, killing, gulags and abuse to complain about. The fact that people like you seem to forget this makes me sick. By no means was the Korean war a success, but the South is far better off than it would have been if the North had been allowed to control all of Korea. South Koreans owe the USA and others who defended their country and kept them free a huge debt of gratitude. The fact that South and North Korea have not been able to bury the hatchet and reunify lies at the laps of Korean politicians, not with the United States.
How many South Koreans would trade places with the average North Korean? I wonder why people would not want to trade places to live in the North. Would you want to give up your life and exchange it with one of your brother's to the North, Koamerican?
If the South had not been keeping the North running over the past decade with enormous aid shipments they would have fallen and reunification would have occurred. However, that is the last thing the South wants. They do not want to reunify because they are not prepared to have another 30 million untrained, uneducated, brainwashed and starving people to be responsible for.
It is time for you to get your facts straight Koamerican. If you don't like the life you have in the USA I am sure you will be able to go to North Korea as defector. No one will stop you and you will be able to see what a great life you are missing out on. |
I support the alliance with the US and am grateful to the US and UN soldiers who fought in the Korean War but if the US wants to leave then Korea should go nuclear. This is common knowledge. Anyway, everybody knows that the US will not leave Korea. It's only english teachers and Bandow who argue this.
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| That's right, Typhoon. Komerican is completely blind to the facts of the matter, driven by his hatred for his own country. Didn't you notice where he tossed up the word "we" upthread referring to South Koreans. No matter what he tells himself, his brothers, as you called them, will certainly let him know that he is not Korean when it comes down to brass tacks. |
No, I'm not a genuine south korean but I am a genuine korean american. There is a difference and I don't mind koreans showing that difference. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd prefer a confederation but with a united military. I don't think that the national interests of SK are identical with the US or with Japan. We want gradual unification, whereas, for example, japan would prefere the status quo. |
Japan would prefer not having a lunatic running the North, a lunatic who fires missiles over Japanese territory. How the heck did you miss that part of the Japanese government's attitude towards the two Koreas?
Heck, China would probably prefer not having a raving lunatic running the North, but they're playing the hand they were dealt. And the hand, more often than not, plays them.
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| I agree with you that korea's alliance with the US has develped South Korea. All I'm saying is that if we're looking at history why not look at the whole of history. Americans are here in Korea for their own interests. |
The United States is here at the request of the South Korean government. Every time the US government has indicated a drawdown is in the works, the South Korean government goes into full-on panic mode and begs for the US to stay here.
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| No American president would send American boys to shed blood for korean ajummas and ajoshis. |
You lying sack of crap. That's exactly what President Truman did.
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| I support the alliance but we should have mutual respect. |
Your posts on this forum prove you have no understanding at all of that concept.
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| you know they never released blood tests for those drivers. Every westerner knows that after these sorts of vehicle incidents the blood test results are made public. No poster on any expat site ever mentions this. Nor do they mention other issues. It's just been my experience that most westerners just toe the party line. |
You disgusting jerk! Instead of insinuating the drivers were impaired by alcohol or drugs, why don't you post the relevant parts of US federal law, the Manual for Courts-martials, and the appropriate military regulations that apply in this case?
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| even in accidents people are held culpable for negligence. Here, no one was found liable when in fact it was clear that there was negligence. |
Liar. In your mind, there was negligence on the part of the driver. The court, after examining the evidence, determined that there was not.
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| As for the regret part, keep in mind that US denied all responsibility for the accident before the investigation. |
Liar. The US government conducted an investigation and had a trial.
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| This incident also was the last straw after decades in which the US army would pay a paltry 200 dollars in compensation for civilian traffic fatalities. The fact that the US handles incident like this differently now is proof of how inept their handling of similar incidents were in the past. |
You're clearly insane. That can be the only explanation why you ignore facts.
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| Yes, the defendants have rights but I think the public was already enraged by the way the Army initially handled the case. |
The public was enraged because of a knee-jerk reaction. You, obviously, should be quite familiar with that. After all, it's your modus operandi here.
I love the way you insinuate the rights of the accused should be disregarded to appease the knee-jerk reaction of people who couldn't be bothered with waiting for facts to come to light. Oh, yeah. I forgot. You're one of those knee-jerkers.
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| riiight. About 20 percent of the Korean population died in that war, millions more than Japanese died in WW2. Korea is also still a divided country. If that's America successfully protecting Korea I really don�t want to see its failures..Oh yeah Iraq. |
That is America successfully protecting the country, South Korea, that asked us to be here. Had America not protected this country, it would be re-unified already: under the Northern regime.
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| No, I'm not a genuine south korean but I am a genuine korean american. There is a difference and I don't mind koreans showing that difference. |
That means you're an American. In case you haven't noticed it yet, South Korea doesn't permit dual citizenship of its adult nationals.
You don't mind? That's rich! I guess you missed the news on how some Koreans showed a Canadian-Korean the difference. Some of those Koreans, by the way, were the Korean authorities.
I knew there was a reason why I had you on my personal ignore list. Well, you cretinous troll, you're back on it. I can only hope the other posters realize what a troll you are and quit feeding you. |
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