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wanamin
Joined: 14 Apr 2008
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| I work at a High School, so I find myself consistently debating students regarding the safety of American beef. |
Non sequitur/does not follow. |
Actually, if you'd read anything about the protests, Pyongshin, you'd have read that over half the protesters are High School students. |
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SOOHWA101
Joined: 04 Mar 2006
Location: Makin moves...trying to find 24pyung
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:40 am Post subject: |
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Damn it!! I straight up got baited in to a talk about American beef by a coworker. I knew better..I really really knew better.....
We went around in circles for an hour. She could not follow the logic..though it was plain as day. I backed up everything I was saying with .gov sites and commonly agreed upon fact (like the 3 people in America that contracted vCJD were not Korean and known cases tallied around the world..etc...)...all that shiite....but hell no...that didn't even put a dent in her media programmed march to put a flame thrower to the facts of the case.
She then went on to the whole DNA rant...so I politely asked if she could provide me with the science journal that claims this.....I got nothing. I responded that if that is true....we have millions of Koreans living in America chewing beef everyday..and not a one has come down with it. That is Koreans were so suseptible to this disease, then we surely would have heard something by now. Her reply? "How do you know if they are Americans or not?" I guess a Korean American doesn't have the same blood as a pure "Korean" nationalist.
After trumping her logic left and right and dodging as much ridiculous nonsense that I could...she finally said it." Scientists and English information lies alot, but Korean tests and information are always factual and true. So I threw this guy at her..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hwang_Woo-Suk
Her reply was...."that's stem cell..not mad cow scientist." I explained my point.....and her reply was ....can anyone guess? anyone? Uh huh.....she said "Well, that was a joint project with the US."
Honestly...there is much more to this...but I don't want to be too boring. I am just making a confession that I knew better....but still gave it a shot.
Lesson learned!!! |
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gangpae
Joined: 03 Sep 2007
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 4:07 am Post subject: |
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Me in adult 1 on 1 class. 'So today I thought we could discuss the issue of homosexuality.'
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Wow! What a scintillating lesson plan. I'm sure it was your very own idea too! I think I'll try that - OK Miss Kim today we're going to talk about heterosexuality. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 4:14 am Post subject: |
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The truth matters to me, so I have been doing my bit to point out the madness surrounding the cow saga.
Tuns out the biggest grievance is that they feel betrayed by ee Mong bak- who after a cosy dinner with Bushie agreed to import US beef over 30 months old.
Whereas the japanese were "strong enough" to outright refuse it. Koreans are angry they are seen as a US lapdog again.
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gangpae
Joined: 03 Sep 2007
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 4:35 am Post subject: |
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| My favorite dish is 'raw beef bibimbap'. So I'm all for keeping crap beef out of Korea. |
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doggyji
Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| SOOHWA101 wrote: |
| We went around in circles for an hour. She could not follow the logic..though it was plain as day. I backed up everything I was saying with .gov sites and commonly agreed upon fact (like the 3 people in America that contracted vCJD were not Korean and known cases tallied around the world..etc...)...all that shiite....but hell no...that didn't even put a dent in her media programmed march to put a flame thrower to the facts of the case. |
Seriously, if she did not have an answer to one of the most common counter-arguments, she doesn't belong to the serious anti-US beef camp. The matter is a lot more complicated than what non-scientists can have a firm conclusion about from the beginning. The arguments are very diverse politically, scientifically and economically. I will try to gather common arguments from the anti-US beef people. Hold on a while. There's just so much to check and read on the Korean internet and tv. I will try to find the equivalent articles in English whenever possible. |
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michi gnome
Joined: 15 Feb 2006
Location: Dokdo
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 7:28 am Post subject: |
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mad cow is OK for starters
but what we really need to do is start pumping their meat full of Ritalin
and ADD drugs
and serving up some good ol' american burgers in the school cafeteria |
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SOOHWA101
Joined: 04 Mar 2006
Location: Makin moves...trying to find 24pyung
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| doggyji wrote: |
| SOOHWA101 wrote: |
| We went around in circles for an hour. She could not follow the logic..though it was plain as day. I backed up everything I was saying with .gov sites and commonly agreed upon fact (like the 3 people in America that contracted vCJD were not Korean and known cases tallied around the world..etc...)...all that shiite....but hell no...that didn't even put a dent in her media programmed march to put a flame thrower to the facts of the case. |
Seriously, if she did not have an answer to one of the most common counter-arguments, she doesn't belong to the serious anti-US beef camp. The matter is a lot more complicated than what non-scientists can have a firm conclusion about from the beginning. The arguments are very diverse politically, scientifically and economically. I will try to gather common arguments from the anti-US beef people. Hold on a while. There's just so much to check and read on the Korean internet and tv. I will try to find the equivalent articles in English whenever possible. |
I think it is more complicated than just finding a way to retort the accusations. I simply offered reliable and hard fact, but the sources were denied because they were not in Korean. When I asked for her sources, she ignored the question at least 10 times, meaning she was unable to provide them.
This little movement they have here goes deeper than simply proving them wrong. Most of the population here does what they are told and beleives what they are told, period. I refuse to be on the front lines of "opening" minds in Korea. This is not my fight. And quite frankly, I have already developed grey hair from living here...I don't need wrinkles too. |
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doggyji
Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 7:52 am Post subject: |
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| SOOHWA101 wrote: |
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| We went around in circles for an hour. She could not follow the logic..though it was plain as day. I backed up everything I was saying with .gov sites and commonly agreed upon fact (like the 3 people in America that contracted vCJD were not Korean and known cases tallied around the world..etc...)...all that shiite....but hell no...that didn't even put a dent in her media programmed march to put a flame thrower to the facts of the case. |
Seriously, if she did not have an answer to one of the most common counter-arguments, she doesn't belong to the serious anti-US beef camp. The matter is a lot more complicated than what non-scientists can have a firm conclusion about from the beginning. The arguments are very diverse politically, scientifically and economically. I will try to gather common arguments from the anti-US beef people. Hold on a while. There's just so much to check and read on the Korean internet and tv. I will try to find the equivalent articles in English whenever possible. |
I think it is more complicated than just finding a way to retort the accusations. I simply offered reliable and hard fact, but the sources were denied because they were not in Korean. When I asked for her sources, she ignored the question at least 10 times, meaning she was unable to provide them.
This little movement they have here goes deeper than simply proving them wrong. Most of the population here does what they are told and beleives what they are told, period. I refuse to be on the front lines of "opening" minds in Korea. This is not my fight. And quite frankly, I have already developed grey hair from living here...I don't need wrinkles too. |
There's nothing wrong with what you did, of course. She is sheep since she believed in something not even checking the basis of it. However, what I'm trying to say is that to draw a true reflection of the reality, you need to know what the shepherds are saying. They tend to know a lot better and be smarter. And it may be more worthwhile arguing against them. Or if you can't, you can change your opinion later. I haven't decided yet. |
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doggyji
Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines
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Let me just post one by one whenever I have time. I don't want to fill this whole page with my single post. 
It is commonly known that cows that eat manufactured feed which may contain parts of BSE infected animals can get mad cow disease. The Korean government announced they agreed to import American beef from cattle even 30 months of age and older decisively because of the recently strengthened rule for cattle feed by FDA. However, it seems people think that is really not the case. According to 한겨례, in May 2007, the World Organization for Animal Health (OIE) recommended the US strengthen animal feed regulations while giving them the status of a controlled-risk country for BSE. Here is the content of the new rule.
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ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT for AMENDMENTS TO 21 CFR 589
SUBSTANCES PROHIBITED FROM USE IN ANIMAL FOOD OR FEED
1. Description of the Action
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is amending its regulations by adding 21 CFR 589.2001 to prohibit the use of certain cattle origin materials in the food or feed of all animals. Cattle materials prohibited in animal feed (CMPAF) under 589.2001 include: (1) the entire carcass of bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE)-positive cattle; (2) the brains and spinal cords from cattle 30 months of age and older; (3) the entire carcass of cattle not inspected and passed for human consumption unless these cattle are shown to be less than 30 months of age or the brains and spinal cords were effectively removed or effectively excluded from animal feed; (4) tallow that is derived from BSE-positive cattle; (5) tallow that is derived from the other materials prohibited by this rule that contains more than 0.15 percent insoluble impurities; and (6) mechanically separated beef that is derived from the materials prohibited by this rue.
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Let's focus on (3).
"The entire carcass of cattle not inspected and passed for human consumption unless these cattle are shown to be less than 30 months of age or the brains and spinal cords were effectively removed or effectively excluded from animal feed."
There would not be too many sane cattle producers who would use edible cattle they can sell for meat as cattle feed. Then, what cattle that was not inspected and passed for human consumption is allowed for cattle feed from the rule?
Cattle not inspected and passed for human consumption and less than 30 months of age is allowed for cattle feed.
Cattle not inspected and passed for human consumption and any age with the brains and spinal cords removed is also allowed for cattle feed.
Then, even downer cows not suitable for human consumption can be used for cattle feed.
However, on May 2, the Korean government erroneously reported cattle not inspected and passed for human consumption is not allowed for cattle feed in the States even if they are less than 30 months of age. Also, there was a bit of quarrel with interpretation of the "not inspected and passed for human consumption" part. This sparked distrust of the government even deeper. Interestingly, I have seen the anti-US beef side using this image correlation:
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Timeline: vCJD in the UK
1990: John Gummer, then the Conservative agriculture minister, eats a hamburger with his daughter Cordelia to show that British beef is safe after the BSE outbreak.
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And his friend's daughter died from vCJD last year. Link
Another source:
| Federal Register (Friday, April 25, 2008) wrote: |
SUMMARY: The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is amending the agency�s regulations to prohibit the use of certain cattle origin materials in the food or feed of all animals. These materials include the following: The entire carcass of bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE)-positive cattle; the brains and spinal cords from cattle 30 months of age and older; the entire carcass of cattle not inspected and passed for human consumption that are 30 months of age or older from which brains and spinal cords were not removed; tallow that is derived from BSE-positive cattle; tallow that is delivered from other materials prohibited by this rule that contains more than 0.15 percent insoluble impurities; and mechanically separated beef that is derived from the materials prohibited by this rule. These measures will further strengthen existing safeguards against BSE.
DATES: This final rule is effective April 27, 2009.
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III. Description of the Final Rule
......Further, the regulations were revised to exclude from the definition of CMPAF certain cattle that have not been inspected and passed for human consumption. Under the proposed rule, cattle that were not inspected and passed for human consumption were excluded from the definition of CMPAF if their brains and spinal cords were removed. The final rule was revised to indicate that such cattle are not considered CMPAF if the animals were shown to be less thn 30 months of age, regardless of whether the brain and spinal cord have been removed......
*CMPAF: cattle materials prohibited in animal feed.
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To be continued.
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ulsanchris
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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| the scientist that came up with the research that suggested that asians are more susceptible to VcJD is korean. He is also pissed that his research is being misused by the korean media. seriously i think a lot of people on here should start reading the online korean papers to be informed about this. Many of the posters on here have gotten many of the facts wrong. How can so many posters on here dismiss many korean's arguments when they don't know the facts very well themselves. |
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Smee
Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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I've been trying to avoid this topic, and pretty much all touchy issues, with my coworkers but I got involved in a couple discussions. I won't recount everything here, but basically the Korean sources I used to discredit all the rumors and scare-mongering (including the article on the scientist mentioned above) were immediately dismissed because they came from the Joongang Ilbo or the Chosun Ilbo, two "conservative" papers my teachers said were biased and unreliable. When I brought up articles in this paper, on MCD and on another topic, they told me I was basing my opinion on misinformation.
 Sometimes you just can't win. |
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doggyji
Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| How can so many posters on here dismiss many korean's arguments when they don't know the facts very well themselves. |
Sometimes, it's not easy to identify who the real lemming is. Not always from one side, apparently. I secretly admire their overconfidence. Life can be easy.
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......반면 유럽연합은 12개월 이상 소의 두개골(뇌�안구 포함)�척수�척추�내장�편도�장간막 등을 무조건 폐기하도록 하고 있다. 일본은 모든 연령의 소에서 나오는 머리�척수�척추�회장원위부(소장 끝부분) 등의 광우병 특정위험물질을 모두 제거�소각해야 한다.
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So I checked. The following article is very relevant. Please make sure to read the full article if you want to discuss further.
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FDA's decision to only ban a limited subset of specified risk materials (SRMs)�the brain and spinal cord�from cattle over 30 months from all animal feed, leaves the safety of beef at risk. Although this is a small step forward, this ban will not close the loopholes in the present feed ban and fully protect the US from the spread of bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE). The proposed feed ban appears to put the economic interests of the rendering and feed industry above public health concerns.
......These steps are not sufficient. If a cow is infected with BSE, infectious material can be found in many other parts beside brains and spinal cord. Cases of BSE have also been found in Europe and Japan in animals that are under 30 months of age. It is particularly worrisome that FDA will continue to allow plate wastes, chicken coop floor wastes (aka poultry litter) and cattle blood to be fed to cattle. For the reasons we explain below, FDA should ban all feeding of mammalian protein to food animals, as both the European Union and Japan have done.
......The U.S. surveillance program, which tests roughly 1% of cattle at slaughter and says it tests only older animals, will not identify any younger BSE cases that might exist in the U.S. The international expert committee that advised the US Secretary of Agriculture after the first case of mad cow disease was found in the U.S. December, 2003, strongly urged FDA to consider banning all SRMs from cattle above 12 months as well as the entire intestines from all animals. In addition, the World Health Organization, the Food and Agriculture Organization and the World Animal Health Organization (OIE) have jointly recommended that �if a country has identified BSE . . . then MBM for use in non-ruminant should be prepared from non-SRM material� (e.g. SRMs should be banned from all animal feed for countries that have BSE) . Consumers Union urges FDA, at a minimum, to ban all cattle SRMs in animal feed��
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It seems while EU and Japan pursue the policy of zero risk, the US prefers to play probability games. I also randomly found this American organaization who thought differently from the government:
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1. All non-ambulatory cattle should be excluded from the food supply.
......All downed animals must be excluded from the food supply because government slaughterhouse veterinarians are unable to determine by visual examination whether an animal is safe to be slaughtered. Conditions that present the most serious risk to public health - namely, bacterial contamination and central nervous system disorders like BSE - are difficult to diagnosis solely on the basis of a cursory physical examination. The signs of BSE often cannot be differentiated from the signs of the many other diseases and conditions affecting downer cattle. The Harvard Center for Risk Analysis estimated that up to 50 percent of BSE cases could be missed on ante-mortem inspection at slaughter. Furthermore, testing every downed animal for BSE would not necessarily provide adequate protection because it is possible that a different variant of the disease is currently present - or at some point may be present - in the U.S. Individual laboratory tests have failed to detect the disease under certain circumstances. For example, the laboratory test currently employed by the USDA failed to detect the disease when used recently by authorities in Japan.
The fact that downed animals are at a higher risk for BSE, and that visual examination and laboratory testing cannot detect the disease with certainty, are the primary reasons typically cited for banning materials from downed cattle in the human food supply.......
5. Prohibited cattle materials should include specified risk materials from cattle of all ages.
......The age at which cattle develop clinical BSE varies and the lower ranges of this age distribution includes some cattle younger than 30 months of age. In fact, at least two confirmed cases of BSE in Japan have occurred in animals under 30 months of age. A total ban on SRM, regardless of age of the animal, would best protect the public since a blanket ban would significantly improve enforcement and eliminate the need to determine the age of each animal. Until a national animal identification and tracking system is fully implemented, USDA personnel will be responsible for determining age. If the appropriate records are unavailable or unreliable, USDA officers will be required to make a physical assessment to determine age. Such an assessment is somewhat subjective. Even with an animal identification system, errors are possible. Furthermore, it is more efficient to process all carcasses in a similar manner than identifying and segregating parts coming from animals of a certain age. Therefore, we recommend that SRMs from animals of all ages be excluded from the human food supply.
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And I just skimmed through a paper written by the professor Dr. Kim Yong-sun. I don't think this is the very paper of the issue but it also makes mention of the genetic susceptibility. I will post about it later.
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| I've been trying to avoid this topic, and pretty much all touchy issues, with my coworkers but I got involved in a couple discussions. I won't recount everything here, but basically the Korean sources I used to discredit all the rumors and scare-mongering (including the article on the scientist mentioned above) were immediately dismissed because they came from the Joongang Ilbo or the Chosun Ilbo, two "conservative" papers my teachers said were biased and unreliable. When I brought up articles in this paper, on MCD and on another topic, they told me I was basing my opinion on misinformation. |
The major "conservative" newspapers, Chosun, JoongAng and DongA have traditionally been regarded by many as abusers of political tricks, which is another whole topic. I can kind of understand your co-workers. If you are to be serious, this beef issue is not a simple chit-chat material. It's about all the details and it won't be too easy for anyone to discuss properly with no references at hand.
To be continued... |
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rusty1983
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| If someone starts jibing you you should just 'MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO' and adopt a demonic look in your eyes, then you should stomp around the room kicking over the tables and chairs and ramming people with your imaginary horns...Then you should flop out your knob, wave it around a bit then jump out of a window...Thatll shut em up |
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doggyji
Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines
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Here we go again.
| 김용선, 가정의학회지 (2004) wrote: |
Title: 광우병과 변종 크로이츠펠트 야콥병 (Mad Cow Disease and New Variant Creutzfeldt Jacob Disease)
Abstract: 우리나라는 광우병과 변종 CJD 환자가 아직까지 발생되지는 않았지만, 앞으로 광우병이 국내에서 발생된다면 변종 CJD 환자의 발생 가능성이 세계에서 제일 높은 나라가 될 가능성이 있다. 그 이유는 우리나라 사람들의 식습관으로 볼 때, 오래 전부터 쇠고기뿐만 아니라, 소의 내장, 골 및 소의 뼈까지도 식재료로 사용하는 민족이며, 또한 광우병에 걸린 쇠고기 섭취시 변종 CJD에 걸릴 확률이 제일 높은 유전형질인 프리온 유전자 코돈 129에 메티오닌/메티오닌 동형접합체를 정상인의 94.33%에서 갖고 있기 때문이다. 그러므로 앞으로 국내 광우병의 발생을 철저히 막아야 하며, 국내에서 발생되는 모든 사람 및 동물의 프리온 질환에 대한 정확한 진단 및 체계적인 관리체계가 수립되어야 한다.
And a quote from the conclusion: 그리고 최근 연구결과에 의하면 국내 정상인 529명을 대상으로 프리온 유전자의 코돈 129번의 유전자 다형성을 분석한 결과, 정상의 94.33%에서 메티오닌 동질접합체가 나타나 우리나라가 전 세계에서 제일 높은 메티오닌 동질접합체를 가지고 있는 민족으로 보고될 전망이다. 이와 같은 사실은 최근 학계에 보고된 변종 CJD의 경우 코돈 129번 유전자 다형성 중 메티오닌 동질접합체에만 100% 변종 CJD가 나타나기 때문에 국내 정상인이 광우병에 걸린 쇠고기를 섭취할 경우 변종 CJD에 걸릴 확률이 전 세계적으로 제일 높아질 가능성을 암시함으로써 향후 국내에서 광우병 발생에 대한 보다 철저한 감시체계의 구축뿌난 아니라 국내 발생 CJD 환자의 정확한 진단 및 모든 프리온 질환에 대해 보다 체계적인 관리 체계가 이루어져야 한다. |
Fact 1: All known cases of vCJD have arisen in individuals with methionine homozygotes (M/M) at codon 129 of the prion protein gene.
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All cases of vCJD to date have occurred in individuals of a single human genotype that is methionine homozygous at codon 129 of the prion protein. About 40% of the total human population belongs to this methionine-methionine homozygous state. The susceptibility of other genotypes is not yet known.
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Fact 2: It was statistically found 94.33% of Koreans (sample pop: 529) carry a methionine homozygote.
Hypothesis: Koreans are more susceptible to vCJD than other groups with lower MM percentage when exposed to BSE-positive cattle consumption.
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| She then went on to the whole DNA rant...so I politely asked if she could provide me with the science journal that claims this.....I got nothing. I responded that if that is true....we have millions of Koreans living in America chewing beef everyday..and not a one has come down with it. That is Koreans were so suseptible to this disease, then we surely would have heard something by now. Her reply? "How do you know if they are Americans or not?" I guess a Korean American doesn't have the same blood as a pure "Korean" nationalist. |
While your silly co-worker does not know the exact point and was being an easy strawman to shoot at, I think there is a bit of merit to the concern. The sole fact that there is no known case of a Korean vCJD patient as of today does not automatically dismiss the hypothesis. Obviously, the overwhelming majority of Americans including Korean-Americans do not consume BSE-positive beef in the first place. Low quality beef from older cows are exported to developing countries with no restrictions or sold to people in the lower-income bracket. (There are 5 quality grades for American beef: Prime, Choice, Select, Standard and Commercial) A rather firm conclusion about the correlation can be made only if bunch of Koreans and a control group were fed problematic beef to begin with and put to a comparison. Also, there is the incubation time issue. It can take decades from the point of consumption before you get to know you have vCJD. Now Korea has agreed to import American beef with virtually no significant restrictions. Besides Canada where several cases of mad cow disease were found, it seems Korea is the only country among the major US beef-importing nations to have this much little safety bar. You know what's funny? The Korean government decided to import almost any kind of American beef because of the new (not-really-strengthened) feed regulations. The first containers seem to be already in Pusan. But the thing is... how does the beef from old cattle magically become safe when the new regulations will be effective after April 27, 2009? This is laughable. Koreans are rightfully worried about the consequence. Although there will be lots of cheap good quality American beef for sure, they are concerned about the rare but dreadful possibility of consuming dangerous beef while they did not have to. Koreans are not 2 year old babies thinking all American beef is bad and all Koreans will die from BSE. It is largely about the government's goal of public health policies (I said while EU and Japan pursue the policy of zero risk, the US prefers to play probability games) and the ability to negotiate and put safety measures. BSE is not a scientifically well-established disease for a fact. They do not even know the exact cause of it. They just have many hypotheses and know how to be precautionary.
Also, I watched the second US beef episode of PD 수첩(Diary). I will talk about it later if anyone still cares. There is just so much. Anyway, keep on enlightening the lemmings Koreans. |
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