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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
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Are you guys seriously saying that because he has a particular profession he has the right to do as he wants?
That's unbelieveable. |
As a rich son of a bitch, his wife doesn't have to work and they can afford nannies. He also has a job that takes him away from home alot. That's life. Not abandonment. If he jets off once in a while for shitts and giggles, and there are people to take care of his kids, then I don't see where "abandonment" has any part in the discussion. No Family services officer would ever take the kids away from him on those grounds. |
I am not talking about the abandonment. I am talking about the drug taking, the infidelity, the abusive behaviour (her words against his... ).. |
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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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| Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe he's a bit of a scumbag.
Fame & fortune intersecting with a certain type of individual can have that effect. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| She married a movie star. WTF do women expect these days when they marry someone who has money, popularity, and/or power? Fidelity? Ha. |
And what do such husbands expect? NOT to be taken to the cleaners every time? Simple action-reaction, what's to ponder? |
Hey, there is a pre-nup involved, and she's trying to get it thrown out, so yeah... maybe he was kind of expecting it.
What does she expect from a guy who eats turds floating in a pool?
They all deserve each other. 
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In her petition filed in Charleston, S.C., Jennifer Butler-Murray suggests that she moved their family to South Carolina to try to cure Murray's cravings for pot, booze and sex � to no avail, the New York Post reports. |
If she were truly worried about those things, she would have moved him to Utah! |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Also technically, if the mom is a stay at home mom, plus you have nanny's, the children are not abandoned if the dad jets off for shitts and giggles somewhere. |
As someone who has long abandoned any principles, I'm not surprised you don't understand the principle of abandonment. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| Also technically, if the mom is a stay at home mom, plus you have nanny's, the children are not abandoned if the dad jets off for shitts and giggles somewhere. |
As someone who has long abandoned any principles, I'm not surprised you don't understand the principle of abandonment. |
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bogey666
Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 1:11 am Post subject: Re: Bill Murray's wife trying to drag him through the mud... |
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| tzechuk wrote: |
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| Actor Bill Murray is a violent pot and alcohol addict who trolls for sex partners overseas, his wife claims in divorce papers. |
Okay, he was on SNL during the 1970s, so if he's tapered down to only pot and scotch in his old age, the problem is? You didn't know this before you married him? And he's a celeb. He's not banging exotic chicks? Violent? |
I might be overly old-fashioned, but do people not get married based on mutual love, trust and honesty these days? Cos I surely did and 6 years on, my husband and I still hold strongly onto these believes.
Yes, the world has changed and people get married and divorced as easily as saying ABC, but you cannot marry a woman, and then criticise her for wanting fidelity, honesty, and all the things that are supposed to come with a union. You also cannot tell her *you should have known and expected it*. You get married because you want to show you are in love and you are willing to be faithful. NOT because you expect the person you marry to tolerate your behaviour the way it always has been. This kind of thinking totally defeats the purpose of a marriage. |
actually maybe you're not old fashioned ENOUGH
fidelity, honest and "all the things are that suppose to come with a union" is relatively modern claptrap and bullshit that has little or nothing to do with how marriage has always been (and remains in many parts of the world)
marriage has historically been about joining families, building commercial and political alliances, establishing property rights and of course having sons (at least one anyways) to continue the family line.
Fidelity within marriage is religious bullshit that has rarely been followed, the key has always been not to pollute one's home with your trysts.
that's why Eliot Spitzer, instead of being reviled, should be celebrated - he did "infidelity" the way it is SUPPOSED to be done (though he's a dumbass for spending so much dough, no vagina is worth that much)
if two people want to buy into the "modern" union, fidelity and all that good stuff, I say good for them... God bless you.
BUT
a woman who's marrying a celebrity, an athlete, or a rich, powerful CEO - if she SERIOUSLY expects "fidellity" and full union and all that sweet stuff, she needs to be sent off to the loony asylum right away.
"UNION"?? just what are YOU bringing to the "union" honey? your vagina? example like Juanita Jordan?
She brought a vagina and Mike's desire that she sire his children.
most of these women aren't that dumb, they know the game, they know the rules and they know going in that no matter what... they'll end up down the road with millions and millions of dollars they would have only otherwise dreamed about.
so it's an easy choice.
in Juanita's case, she walks away still somewhat young in her late forties, with probably around 100 million or so..(maybe even a little more), two fine and almost grown up sons and a relatively friendly relationship with her ex.
Now with all that dough she can do whatever the hell she wants.. get herself a pool boy.. be a "desperate housewife", etc whatever she wants.
she knew what the game was when she got into it.
rich men who marry either don't care about losing much of their wealth or are incredibly dumb.
apparently Murray wasn't THAT dumb - he had the sense to require a prenup.
Since her intent is to nullify the prenup, she'll be making all kinds of allegations, true or untrue.
I'm not a lawyer, but unless specified in prenup, things like alleged (or even proven) "infidelity" and certainly allegations of "emotional abandonment" and such BS should never be grounds to nullify a prenup unless such clauses are included in it in the first place. |
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billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:41 am Post subject: |
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| Ah, misogyny is so much more richly textured when it's mixed with the worship of fame and power |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 3:22 am Post subject: |
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| billybrobby wrote: |
| Ah, misogyny is so much more richly textured when it's mixed with the worship of fame and power |
I prefer mine neat, with a small glass of room temp water on the side.
Wasn't it right around a year ago we had that spate of "Misogyny" and "Prostitute" threads? |
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bogey666
Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 3:32 am Post subject: |
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| Ah, misogyny is so much more richly textured when it's mixed with the worship of fame and power |
well you can call it what you want.
I'm all for "equal unions", joint efforts at building the family nest, blah blah blah blah
really.. I am. Seems to have worked fine for my parents.. and is working fine for my brother.
but celebrities, the rich and the powerful are really kind of fucked.
there can be no real equal "union" with the likes of Michael Jordan (admittedly an extreme example, but so what?)
they face a choice. They may want to have a family/children, so they have to get married.
do you seriously expect them to willingly give up all the "bonuses" of the power and wealth and celebrity that they have accumulated? (resulting in throngs of "other women??)
of course not. To think not is to seriously misunderstand human nature.
maybe they want "both" (as most people, being driven by selfish desires would).
ergo, they figure they'll take a potential financial hit and just go with it.
"Unions" of very unequal parts can be extremely difficult in the long run (though there are some examples of very successful ones as well)
or are you trying to tell me what's her name.. Heather Mills brought something into the "union" with McCartney other than her vagina?
btw.. this works both ways (and it should)
one of those losers that was Elizabeth Taylor's 6th or th or 8th (I've lost count) husbands...
ah yes... the ahem.. famous.. Larry Fortensky
that wound up taking her to court for a fair amount of dough (and won)
what did HE bring into the "union" (other than his cock?)
what did Tom Arnold bring into Roseanne Barr's "union" other than a cock and the fact the pickings among those who would not only be willing to fornicate with Roseanne Barr, but listen to that insanity inducing voice were very slim? |
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TECO
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: Bill Murray's wife trying to drag him through the mud... |
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| bogey666 wrote: |
fidelity, honest and "all the things are that suppose to come with a union" is relatively modern claptrap and bullshit that has little or nothing to do with how marriage has always been (and remains in many parts of the world)
marriage has historically been about joining families, building commercial and political alliances, establishing property rights and of course having sons (at least one anyways) to continue the family line.
Fidelity within marriage is religious bullshit that has rarely been followed, the key has always been not to pollute one's home with your trysts.
that's why Eliot Spitzer, instead of being reviled, should be celebrated - he did "infidelity" the way it is SUPPOSED to be done (though he's a dumbass for spending so much dough, no vagina is worth that much)
if two people want to buy into the "modern" union, fidelity and all that good stuff, I say good for them... God bless you.
BUT
a woman who's marrying a celebrity, an athlete, or a rich, powerful CEO - if she SERIOUSLY expects "fidellity" and full union and all that sweet stuff, she needs to be sent off to the loony asylum right away.
"UNION"?? just what are YOU bringing to the "union" honey? your vagina? example like Juanita Jordan?
She brought a vagina and Mike's desire that she sire his children.
most of these women aren't that dumb, they know the game, they know the rules and they know going in that no matter what... they'll end up down the road with millions and millions of dollars they would have only otherwise dreamed about.
so it's an easy choice.
in Juanita's case, she walks away still somewhat young in her late forties, with probably around 100 million or so..(maybe even a little more), two fine and almost grown up sons and a relatively friendly relationship with her ex.
Now with all that dough she can do whatever the hell she wants.. get herself a pool boy.. be a "desperate housewife", etc whatever she wants.
she knew what the game was when she got into it.
rich men who marry either don't care about losing much of their wealth or are incredibly dumb.
apparently Murray wasn't THAT dumb - he had the sense to require a prenup.
Since her intent is to nullify the prenup, she'll be making all kinds of allegations, true or untrue.
I'm not a lawyer, but unless specified in prenup, things like alleged (or even proven) "infidelity" and certainly allegations of "emotional abandonment" and such BS should never be grounds to nullify a prenup unless such clauses are included in it in the first place. |
that's what i was looking for to illustrate her naievity but couldn't quite get my tongue on it.
nice summary. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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Aren't all celebrities self centered, egotistic and think the world revolves around them? Guess in Bill's eyes he wasn�t doing anything wrong  |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: Bill Murray's wife trying to drag him through the mud... |
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| bogey666 wrote: |
fidelity, honest and "all the things are that suppose to come with a union" is relatively modern claptrap and bullshit that has little or nothing to do with how marriage has always been (and remains in many parts of the world)
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Fidelity and honesty in marriage are modern claptrap? "Thou shalt not lie." "Thou shalt not commit adultery." How do you understand the term "modern?" |
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Bigfeet
Joined: 29 May 2008
Location: Grrrrr.....
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't believe that marriages were "purer" in the past. They were just better at concealing the truth and covering it up. Appearances were more important than reality. |
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bassexpander
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Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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Keep in mind that we are shown no proof of immorality or abandonment.
We do know for certain that this same woman is working her ass off to get the pre-nup thrown out.
Now what does that tell you? |
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Bigfeet
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| She's singing the same tune that rich (American) football players sing when it comes to contract renegotiation time: "I need to feed my babies too!" |
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