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Newbie
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| uberscheisse wrote: |
| nicholas_chiasson wrote: |
| I'm going to go way out on a limb and offend some people, but I think Canada was founded by canadians.... |
not necessarily a wrong answer, if you're referring to the founding of the country in 1867.
the reason i get cynical about canada is that our country was created by a bunch of regional bickerers - the only thing they could agree on (and they didn't agree on it all the time) is that they didn't want to become part of the USA. many of them entered into the union begrudgingly...
not really the kind of thing a dude can get all caught up in nationalist fervor about. can you really call it a founding, or just a decision that "we don't want to be that and even though we hate those assholes over there, we'll join up with them anyways. " |
And yet Americans can't understand why our nationalism is always based on being un-American... WE ONLY BECAME A COUNTRY CUZ WE DIDN"T WANT TO BE AMERICAN!
(no offence. I quite like America) |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:04 am Post subject: |
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| Newbie wrote: |
| uberscheisse wrote: |
| nicholas_chiasson wrote: |
| I'm going to go way out on a limb and offend some people, but I think Canada was founded by canadians.... |
not necessarily a wrong answer, if you're referring to the founding of the country in 1867.
the reason i get cynical about canada is that our country was created by a bunch of regional bickerers - the only thing they could agree on (and they didn't agree on it all the time) is that they didn't want to become part of the USA. many of them entered into the union begrudgingly...
not really the kind of thing a dude can get all caught up in nationalist fervor about. can you really call it a founding, or just a decision that "we don't want to be that and even though we hate those assholes over there, we'll join up with them anyways. " |
And yet Americans can't understand why our nationalism is always based on being un-American... WE ONLY BECAME A COUNTRY CUZ WE DIDN"T WANT TO BE AMERICAN!
(no offence. I quite like America) |
yeah, it's weird to suggest that you're awesome because you didn't do something.
it's also weird to suggest that you're not a shitbag when you've done shitty things.
so it's weird to get all up in arms about how awesome canada is when you consider residential schools, the indian act, Oka, peppergate, japanese internment camps, the current gap between rich and poor - and the fact that canadian taxes are still super high, but for some strange reason our much-lauded "socialized medicine" is deteriorating.
yeah. the dorky near-overweight ex-hockey player who got a degree in communications and is in the RMT talking about how awesome canada is needs to shut up and consider why the only way he can get ahead in the game (and get his weewee sucked) is go to korea and stay drunk for 2 years. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:02 am Post subject: |
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so it's weird to get all up in arms about how awesome canada is when you consider residential schools, the indian act, Oka, peppergate, japanese internment camps, the current gap between rich and poor - and the fact that canadian taxes are still super high, but for some strange reason our much-lauded "socialized medicine" is deteriorating.
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 One of those doesn't really belong there. Are you f-ing kidding me? |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:41 am Post subject: |
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| endo wrote: |
| uberscheisse wrote: |
so it's weird to get all up in arms about how awesome canada is when you consider residential schools, the indian act, Oka, peppergate, japanese internment camps, the current gap between rich and poor - and the fact that canadian taxes are still super high, but for some strange reason our much-lauded "socialized medicine" is deteriorating.
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One of those doesn't really belong there. Are you f-ing kidding me? |
not at all. i was actually hard pressed to think of a fairly recent example of canada's f-ed upness but peppergate is rather telling.
visiting indonesian and chinese dignitaries demanded a certain degree of security. they also want to avoid being told what do do in their country whilst in another country.
visiting indonesian dignitaries' security forces refuse to relinquish their automatic weapons, despite the fact that they have no legal right to carry them on our soil.
RCMP shit their pants and end up pepper-spraying the living shit out of anyone who is yelling too loud and too close to the meeting, out of fear for 1. alienating a nation who makes our underwear 2. risking having some hothead indonesian shoot a 1st year UBC student.
i'm not painting it up as some atrocity - i'm pointing out a reason why canada is continually over a barrel and has to suck up to the global community at every opportunity. treat our own citizens like crap while allowing tyrants and murderers to casually trod our soil.
i think it's a great example. it's not residential schools, but it says alot of how awesome we are when it comes to being a member of the international community. newsflash - we're posers.
anyone with real balls would have done this.
"no, you can't bring that heckler and koch mp5 with you."
"*beep* you, i'm a member of the indonesian secret service."
"*beep* you, this is canada."
"*beep* you, i'm indonesian secret service."
and that is the only appropriate time when pepper spray should have been used during that week.
got a better argument? no you don't. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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oka? wow, one of canada's darkest days.  |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:32 am Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| oka? wow, one of canada's darkest days. |
eyeroll? are you serious?
"wait, ancestral burial grounds? nah, we're putting up a golf course. *beep* your gravesite." |
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Scarlet13
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Changwon
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:34 am Post subject: |
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| ThePoet wrote: |
| Does anyone remember that group of people known as indians? |
Indians??? They arrived form India about 100 years ago. In Canada we use the terms "Native Americans" or Aboriginals." |
We do? I thought Aboriginals were the first people of Australia. I thought Canada's first people were called "First Nations people", or Natives, or Inuit in the north. |
Australia =Aborigine
Canada=Native/First Nations/Aboriginal
Native Americans is a term used in the U.S. |
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manlyboy
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Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:03 am Post subject: |
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| Canada - the international community's version of a gay friend. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| Newbie wrote: |
| uberscheisse wrote: |
| nicholas_chiasson wrote: |
| I'm going to go way out on a limb and offend some people, but I think Canada was founded by canadians.... |
not necessarily a wrong answer, if you're referring to the founding of the country in 1867.
the reason i get cynical about canada is that our country was created by a bunch of regional bickerers - the only thing they could agree on (and they didn't agree on it all the time) is that they didn't want to become part of the USA. many of them entered into the union begrudgingly...
not really the kind of thing a dude can get all caught up in nationalist fervor about. can you really call it a founding, or just a decision that "we don't want to be that and even though we hate those assholes over there, we'll join up with them anyways. " |
And yet Americans can't understand why our nationalism is always based on being un-American... WE ONLY BECAME A COUNTRY CUZ WE DIDN"T WANT TO BE AMERICAN!
(no offence. I quite like America) |
That is not quite true historically. Have you taken a Canadian history course? The reason why Canada became a country was because Britain wanted Canada to be able to take care of itself and even defend itself against the US and take care of its own protection and rely less on the mother country. Plus, having the various territories ruled from a certain location in North America was more convenient.
Canada has always based its nationalism on its fear of American power
ever since 1812 when the British Empire fought the U.S. Canada has feared the US almost like some Eastern bloc countries feared the Soviets or Russia. The difference is Canada and the US are basically voluntary allies. Canadians do like Americans enough and Canadians despite some animosity do sympathize with Americans. If Americans were in the same situation as Canadians, they would feel the same way. Many Americans feel insecure in other ways from the Hispanic influence of the Americas.
Can you really ignore such a large, powerful force? |
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Bigfeet
Joined: 29 May 2008
Location: Grrrrr.....
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It really is sad that the US screwed up the 1812 war so much. We could be having 60 states instead of 50 right now.  |
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the boy next door
Joined: 08 Jun 2008
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Jacques Cartier (1491�September 1, 1557) discovered and claimed Canada for France. He was the first who described and mapped[1] the Gulf of Saint Lawrence and the shores of the Saint Lawrence River, which he named "The Country of Canada(s)", as was so called both Iroquoian big settlements he saw in Stadaconna (Quebec City) and in Hochelaga (Montreal Island).
Canada without Quebec is not a nation and Quebec without Canada is not Quebec.
That is all.  |
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friendoken
Joined: 19 Jan 2008
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I read a book by Michael Bradley called "The Holy Grail Across the Atlantic" that offers a rather unique perspective on Canada's founding.
One of the things that makes Canada such an intriguing place is the mystery of its origins. Regardless of what some of the more childish commentaries say about this country, I am proud to be Canadian. There are very few passports that are equal to my own as a measure of a person's integrity and mindfullness.
Having said that, I will be an ex-pat Canadian next month after I graduate from university. It's nice...but too darn cold. SE Asia and ESL, here I come. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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I am proud to be Canadian. There are very few passports that are equal to my own as a measure of a person's integrity and mindfullness.
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How's that work? |
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Vancouver
Joined: 12 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Bigfeet wrote: |
| It really is sad that the US screwed up the 1812 war so much. We could be having 60 states instead of 50 right now. |
62 actually, cause there are two territories in Canada, and Alaska would probably be part of the Yukon. The only good thing about not being American is that I don't have to worry about getting drafted once McCain or Obama wins |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:01 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| friendoken wrote: |
I am proud to be Canadian. There are very few passports that are equal to my own as a measure of a person's integrity and mindfullness.
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How's that work? |
no doubt. how does your passport measure whether or not you are a douche?
i've met tons of people with canadian passports who are complete wastes of skin. if that's the measure of how awesome you are, you may as well be selling crack to pregnant women. |
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