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Zenas
Joined: 17 May 2008
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| 10 percent of us think that Senator Barack Obama, a Christian, is instead a Muslim. |
Maybe that's because he is Muslim.
"Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing."
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| A false statement from a noncredible source that is at first not believed can gain credibility during the months it takes to reprocess memories from short-term hippocampal storage to longer-term cortical storage. |
That's how those behind 9/11 can get away with their crime, they bombard non-thinkers with propaganda until its accepted as truth while the inconvenient facts, like WTC 7, are ignored.
That is why the hoax of the "Remember the Maine" the Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, Tonkin Gulf 'incident,' USS Liberty, the holocaust, evolution and a myriad of other frauds and myths get traction and common acceptance.
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IMF crisis
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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Then IMF Crisis, apparently your sock, at least she or he embraces your childish, personal methods, posts the very revealing fact that I had corrected several spelling errors from my post.
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I am not his sock by any means. I meant no offense at all to Gopher as I generally like him and agree with him more than I do with numerous other posters. I was just pointing out the (humorous?) juxtaposition of what he said regarding editing and the message that he had edited his post several times. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:01 am Post subject: ... |
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Let us consider for a moment the parallel issue of cognitive dissonance, whereby people use rationalization to help reconcile conflicting thoughts and feelings. A simple example would be purchasing a car. Torn between two different models, an individual finally chooses one. Subsequently, they begin to emphasize in their mind the positive aspects of the car they chose and focus on the negative aspects of the car they didn't choose. That's the theory in a nutshell. Cognitive dissonance is considered to be part of the "human condition". However, being aware of cognitive dissonance is supposed to help counteract its influence. Conversely, cognitive dissonance is also taken into strategic consideration by everyone from advertisers to police interrogators. In other words, awareness of it also aids in manipulating others. As such, it being a human condition is not mutually exclusive to it being intentionally wielded for the purposes of influence.
Vansina's notions of selective memory are not a dissenting voice against Wang and Aamodt. Vansina, studying oral history and memory, wasn't commenting on how source amnesia can affect an election. It's not Vansina or Wang/Aamodt. Rather, it's being spun as such.
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Take Lying Lies and the Liars Who Tell Them, for one. Just talking about "inaccurate statements," hmm?
Next, I have no problem in seeing humor |
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Yeah. When did Nowhere Man create a sock?
I do have a problem with people making threads about me personally, especially when you lie
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What a bitch.
You remain a collection of dogmatic morons |
Funny. I got in trouble for calling someone [name]ie-poo, but Mr. Board-Cleaner-Upper gets to spout this kind of stuff. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:32 am Post subject: |
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Gopher
-- Thanks for the poem but this one doesn't really work. I'll have to omit it from you forthcoming collector's edition of translated works.
But I'll retract my Fox comment because of all your effort on my behalf. I was too generous in putting you in with that crowd of professional trutherators.
I haven't read anything of Vansina but I do think a good authority on the subject is probably no other than that great family jewel - Michael Polyani. You probably know of a few of his siblings. His "Personal Knowledge" is on the top shelf of any 20th century authoritative writing.....you'd hate him Gopher -- his notion of knowledge never being value free. But who knows.....take a look, he got me through many cold nights.
But when it comes to memory we should look no further than Proust, my poetic next of skin. We both chew our nails to the bone and use those endless sentences which get glumpy gophers into a glather never having the gumption to glance aside but only going on and on and on....
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| The greater part of our memory lies outside us, in a dampish breeze, in the musty air of a bedroom or the smell of autumn's first fires, things through which we can retrieve any part of us that the reasoning mind ... disdained, the last vestige of the past, the best of it, the part which, after all our tears have dried, can make us weep again. Outside us? Inside us, more like, but stored away.... It is only because we have forgotten that we can now and then return to the person we once were, envisage things as that person did, be hurt again, because we are not ourselves anymore, but someone else, who once loved something that we no longer care about. |
But before you go dipping your madelaine, perhaps you might investigate those others who've looked at memory and truth - quite truthfully. Hannah Arendt taught me a lot of how buggerly we are in our collective capacity to forget -- it is NEVER an individual thing...and she speaks a moment or two about lies.....anyways, I can't remember what I was going to say, so I'll just go on.... (a little test, who am I alluding to? -- I can't go on, so I'll go on....). Oh where is the life we have lost in living?
But I'll leave you with a poem, seems you want one Gopher. These days I don't get much chance to be poetic so since I'm reading Auden (as politically (un)correct a poet as there can be , I'll dedicate it to him and you...
ON HARDNESS
"Let us honour if we can
the vertical man.
Though we value none
but the horizontal one."
-- W.H. Auden, Poems, a dedication
A man is only as good
as his (d)ick
as a hockey player might
be his stick
a guitarist his pick.
Only as good
as what stands up
howls into the limp night
only worthy
in his eternal (c)ock sure delight
as might
a lion over the kill
a bird ripping a worm
a hand in the till
a mother's new born's squirm.
A man only as good
as what he casts
the seed that lasts
those sparkles on the cake
nothing laying down
for God's sake.
No smoking jackets.
No wedding gowns.
Just a truth stood up to
then knocked down
'cause there's a higher truth
in hardness to be found.
DD
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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My brain has been lying to me. In public!!!!
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Oh so true. I'm sure you are aware that the world you see 'in focus' is only the very small part of it directly in front of your eyes. The outer edges of your vision field are fuzzy, but our brain tricks us into thinking that 'everything' is in focus. [/quote] |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| Am I the only that's noticed that Gopher seems to be particularly angry lately. I've been lurking here less than usual, but all the other righties seem to have dialed it back and Goph has stepped up to pick up the slack. It's almost as if there were a vast right wing conspiracy of Dave's posters. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:56 am Post subject: |
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| Am I the only that's noticed that Gopher seems to be particularly angry lately. I've been lurking here less than usual, but all the other righties seem to have dialed it back and Goph has stepped up to pick up the slack. It's almost as if there were a vast right wing conspiracy of Dave's posters. |
Not another Gopher groupie! His head is already big enough. |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm no groupie. Politically I'm far middle, and there's a gap there that can't be breached. |
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